iPhone X Review: Apple’s future

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The Pros

  • Stunning design
  • Face ID is convenient and works great
  • First significant revamp to the iPhone in years

The Cons

  • Expensive (especially in Canada)
  • New navigation features take getting used to
  • All glass body is a smudge and grease magnet

The iPhone X is one of the most anticipated tech devices, let alone smartphones, in recent memory.

There’s an air of excitement surrounding the handset that even the most stalwart Android fans have likely noticed. This is something that rarely occurs in the rapidly plateauing smartphone industry. In fact, in the brief moment I pulled out the iPhone X during my flight back to Toronto, someone tapped me on the shoulder and started asking me questions about the smartphone (which I wasn’t able to answer due to embargoes). This isn’t something that has ever happened to me before with previous tech products I’ve reviewed.

There’s no denying that versions of many of the X’s most discussed features, including the phone’s nearly bezel-less 5.8-inch 1125 x 2436 pixel display, and Face ID facial recognition technology, have been included in high-end Android devices in the past, most notably Samsung’s Galaxy line.

The main question surrounding Apple’s new smartphone is if the iPhone X has improved these features to the extent that they surpass the tech giant’s Android competitors. This is what Apple is truly good at: taking experimental technology and bringing it to the masses in an intuitive way.

Then there’s the iPhone X’s price, which starts at an undeniably expensive $1,319 CAD. While price shock regarding the iPhone X is understandable, it should be remembered that Samsung moved into this ultra high-end price territory first with the Note 8.

iPhone X side aluminum bezel

The cost is also easier to swallow when you take into account that the increase isn’t as sudden as some mainstream news outlets might have people believe — after all, the iPhone 6s Plus, which is several generations old, started at $1,029 CAD back in 2015.

That said, $1,319 is a formidable price tag for any smartphone and brings into question whether the device is worth the cost of admission. The answer to this comes down to a variety of factors.

While I’ve admittedly only spent a few days with the iPhone X, I’ve come to the conclusion that despite not necessarily breaking new ground in the smartphone space, Apple’s latest device surpasses its main Android flagship competitors in many ways.

Note: While this review was originally published as a review-in-progress it has since been updated with my final thoughts on the iPhone X. Some language has been changed in the original section of the review to improve accuracy and an updated section has been added to the end of the review. 

Visual revamp

iphone x on table

Beyond the removal of the standard Touch ID home button and the arrival of the often derided display ‘notch’ (more on this later), the most significant buzz surrounding the iPhone X stems from the fact that this is the first time Apple has redesigned its flagship smartphone in roughly four years, dating all the way back to the release of the iPhone 6.

In a word, the iPhone X is stunning. The smartphone adopts the familiar ‘surfboard’ design of previous iPhones, though with additional visual flair thanks to a subtle aluminum line that runs along the side of the X. This aesthetic shift is a throwback to the classic iPhone 3GS, which makes sense given Apple is positioning the X as a tenth anniversary device.

While I’m a fan of the border from a purely aesthetic perspective, the iPhone 3GS’ stainless steel framing was easily scuffed. Apple’s industrial design has come a long way in the years since the 3GS’ release, but it’s possible 2017’s iPhone X will suffer from the same issues after a few weeks.

Just like the iPhone 8, the rear of the X is glass, allowing for Qi wireless charging. As a consequence of this, the iPhone X is a fingerprint magnet; the same can also be said about nearly all modern flagships at this point. Despite sounding like a made-up marketing buzzword word, the iPhone X’s ‘oleophobic’ outer coating does repel grease and smudges, though not significantly.

iPhone X back

The X’s pair of rear-facing cameras are vertically oriented now too. While I found this design choice strange initially, I’ve actually grown accustomed to it. The same stainless steel ring that runs around the circumference of the iPhone X’s body can also be found tracing the edge of the handset’s camera bump, adding subtle visual flair to the device’s otherwise minimalist rear.

The iPhone X also has a surprising amount of heft to it, which makes the phone feel solid and high-end whether held in one hand or two. To put the iPhone X’s weight in perspective, the device measures in at 174g, compared to the iPhone 8’s 148g and the iPhone 8 Plus’ 202g.

What about that Notch?

iPhone X Face ID

I’m actually a fan of the iPhone X’s notch in most cases. It gives the device a unique look, with the Andy Rubin-made Essential Phone being the only Android device that’s currently available in Canada to features a similar screen division. In fact, the notch has actually faded into the background of my experience with the iPhone X and I find myself rarely thinking about it after using the device for only a few days.

The key fact regarding the iPhone X’s display is that while the device’s OLED screen measures in at a sizeable 5.8-inches with a 19:5:9 aspect ratio, it doesn’t actually feel that size thanks to its nearly bezel-less design — in comparison, the iPhone 8 Plus’ screen is 5.5-inches.

“I’d put the iPhone X’s screen on par with Samsung’s Galaxy S8/S8+ and the Note 8”

The size difference between the two smartphones might at first seem negligible, but when the X is set beside the comparably massive iPhone 8 Plus, or even the Pixel 2 XL for that matter, the change feels more significant. In fact, as someone who has used the Plus model of Apple’s iPhone since the 6s, I actually found the X’s body feels too small at first, though I’ve grown to enjoy how easy it is to use the phone with one hand.

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In terms of display quality, I’d put the iPhone X’s screen on par with Samsung’s Galaxy S8/S8+ and the Note 8. This makes sense given the display technology featured in Apple’s iPhones — including the iPhone X — is supplied and manufactured by Samsung. The screen is bright and vibrant, but colours also look saturated, punched-up and not completely true to life; I see this as a positive, though some may hold the opposite opinion.

The iPhone X’s screen supports both high-end wide colour gamut HDR standards, including HDR10 and Dolby Vision, and the same True Tone display ambient light adapting feature as the iPhone 8 and Apple’s various iPad Pros, though with six channel sensors instead of four. The result is True Tone that feels slightly more accurate and subtle than my experience with the feature enabled on Apple’s other devices.

Also, while the iPhone X’s display is nearly bezel-less and almost edge-to-edge, it isn’t quite bezel-free: a thin, though barely noticeable black edge runs around the circumference of the device.

iPhone X YouTube

What’s perhaps most interesting about the iPhone X’s display is that few apps utilize its controversial notch currently. According to Apple, at launch only Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and Twitter are optimized for the iPhone X in terms of the device’s unique display and notch.

Apple says that it expects more apps to update “leading up to and after customer availability,” however. This indeed seems true, with multiple app updates arriving on my review device on a daily basis: Slack, Super Mario Run, Impossible Road and Reigns are examples of some of the most recent updates.

Apps that don’t take full advantage of the display, like Spotify, Animal Crossing Pocket Camp, and even Montreal-developed Transit, feature black bars across the top and bottom of the display.

iPhone X notch screenshot

It’s worth noting that this likely won’t be an issue for long since developers will almost certainly start optimizing their apps to take advantage of the iPhone X’s unique display, but it is disappointing nonetheless.

In general, I’m fond of the notch and found it didn’t get in the way in most cases. The only time I found it cumbersome was when browsing websites with the phone held in landscape mode, something I rarely do — this leaves unsightly black bars on either the left or ride side of a web page.

When you take a screenshot, the notch disappears as well — in some respects this seems strange.

Yes, Face ID works

iPhone X Face ID screenshot

Face ID seems to work extremely well, even when you set the feature up in the back of an Uber while rushing to the airport. My driver was confused as I rotated my head in a slight circle, allowing the iPhone X’s front-facing camera module — which features both an IR sensor and dot projector that shoots out 30,000 dots — to map my face with Apple’s new TrueDepth technology.

Apple says that the more you use Face ID, the more accurate it becomes, though also warns that twins, as well as siblings close in age, could unlocking eachother’s devices. There are obvious security concerns surrounding Face ID when it comes to law enforcement too. When asked this question, Apple points to the fact that holding down the device’s right side button, along with the volume down button, disables Face ID. While slightly obtuse at first, activating this mode is actually quite easy and can be done quickly (I’ll discuss the iPhone X’s new button set-up more later).

iPhone X front sensor

It’s important to point out that Face ID is not stored or analyzed in the cloud, according to the tech giant. All data is kept directly on the device in what Apple calls its ‘secure enclave.’ This means that those who are concerned Apple is creating a massive data base of their valuable facial features, can rest assured that doesn’t seem to be the case.

Face ID works from various angles and under different lighting conditions. For example, my apartment is dimly lit because my landlord opted not to pay for pot lights when purchasing the unit. I mention this only because the Note 8 and S8/S8+ suffered from authentication issues when using the phones’ less technically savvy facial recognition technology under the same lighting conditions in my apartment.

iPhone X Animoji

Face ID does sometimes run into difficulties though. For instance, the first time I tried to unlock the iPhone X while wearing a hat, the feature didn’t work. The same can be said about the my initial attempt to use Face ID while wearing glasses. Of course, after inputting my security pin the camera logged my facial information, improving Face ID’s accuracy and negating this issue. Still, the fact that Face ID is required to scan your face multiple times under different conditions to work quickly and accurately, could be frustrating for some.

The iPhone X’s unique front-facing sensor is also the technology powering the company’s silly, yet technically impressive Animojis. Animoji live within Apple’s Messages app and are sent over iMessage, though they can also be exported into a .mov file, allowing them to be sent through a variety of apps and even to Android devices (though the quality is degraded).

And yes, you can make a piece of poop talk and it’s kind of amazing.

Poop animoji

It is strange, however, that beyond fancy, scarily accurate Snapchat features, few app developers seem to be jumping at the chance to take advantage of the new functionality featured in the iPhone X’s front-facing shooter.

It remains unclear exactly how open the technology is from a development perspective but there’s a tremendous amount of potential in the module and I hope developers take advantage of it.

Navigation changes

iPhone X menu screenshot

Apart from aesthetic differences the first thing most people will notice about the iPhone X is how Apple has revamped navigating iOS 11.

In fact, the experience is so different that many will likely find it off-putting at first. My initial attempts to multitask by swiping up from the bottom of the phone’s display, then applying slight pressure to activate Force Touch, all in order to multitask, were frustrating (this is also the first time I’ve ever really found 3D Touch useful).

“The experience is so different that many will likely find it off-putting at first”

After my initial trepidation and roughly half hour of experimenting with the iPhone X’s new navigation system, I quickly forgot about my longing for Touch ID and the familiar Home Button. Overall, most people will likely be frustrated with navigating the iPhone X at first because it really is quite different from what they’ll be used to (Android users may find the switch a little easier though).

Since there’s so much to go through in terms of navigation, below is a list of all the major changes:

Tapping anywhere on the iPhone X’s display wakes up the smartphone.

Lock screen shortcuts
Accessing the flashlight and camera can be accomplished right from the lock screen with the iPhone X through 3D Touch.

Swiping up from the bottom edge of the phone at any point returns home (this actually works way better than I expected).

Control Center
Swiping down from the top-right edge of the display to opens Control Center (getting used to this may take some time to build up muscle memory).

Switching Between Apps
Switching between apps involves swiping up from the bottom edge and then pausing to activate the new App Switcher via Force Touch.

Screen shot
In order to snap a screenshot, simultaneously press the button on the right side of the phone and the Volume Up button.

Force Restart
To force restart your iPhone X, press and quickly release the Volume Up button. Then press and quickly release the Volume Down button. Finally, press and hold the side button until you see the Apple logo.

Turn  Off
Press and hold the side button and either volume down and side button, then swipe to turn off iPhone X.

SOS on iPhone X
Triggering SOS on iPhone X is accomplished by pressing and holding the side button and either volume button for six seconds to quickly call emergency services. Optionally, you can also initiate SOS by rapidly clicking the side button five times. The five-click option can be enabled under ‘Settings’ then ‘Emergency SOS’ and finally selecting, ‘Also Works with 5 Clicks.’

While many of these gestures initially felt foreign, they’ve quickly grown to become intuitive over the last few days (I discuss my thoughts on the iPhone X’s new gesture system in greater detail in the ‘update’ section below.

Same camera as the iPhone 8 Plus
iPhone x camera

The main change in the camera department is that both the iPhone X’s 12-megapixel dual rear-facing cameras — the f/1.8 wide angle and the f/2.4 telephoto — feature optical image stabilization. While this might sound like a subtle change, it makes snapping photos in bumpy environments, particularly when trying to use Portrait Mode, much easier.

Of note, Samsung also added dual OIS to the Note 8’s pair of rear shooters as well, so Apple is not the first smartphone manufacturer to include this functionality.

The few photos I’ve shot look great, with images appearing vibrant both under low light and natural light conditions.

What’s new here is that portrait mode is now available with the phone’s front-facing camera thanks to Face ID’s depth sensor, allowing its single 7-megapixel, f/2.2 aperture shooter to utilize Portrait Mode as well as the feature’s clever new lighting techniques.

A few days later

iPhone X Face ID settings

Update 10/02/17: Overall, my impressions of the iPhone X have not significantly changed over the last few days. The new gesture navigation, particularly multi-tasking, has become intuitive and second nature to the extent that I find it difficult to go back to using a standard iPhone (yes, I’ve tried).

The one gesture I’ve run into issues activating is multi-tasking from the main display when not in an app. The Force Touch step required to start multitasking in this instance seems to not always work and requires an almost too firm press on the iPhone X’s display.

I’m also quite fond of the iPhone X’s screen in terms of brightness, colour accuracy and overall vibrance, in part due to True Tone, which actually seems to work better than it did with the iPhone 8 and iPad Pro. I would even go so far as to say I prefer the iPhone X’s display more than even the Note 8 or S8/S8+, my previous two favourite smartphone screens.

“Apple’s Portrait Mode democratizes the creative photo editing process”

Camera-wise I’d describe my experience as identical to my time with the iPhone 8 Plus. This means that the iPhone X produces images that look more true-to-life when compared to other high-end competitors like the Note 8 and Samsung Galaxy S8. The Front-facing camera’s Portrait mode and various lighting features, including ‘Natural Light,’ ‘Studio Light,’ ‘Contour Light’ and more, is also impressive.

Sure, it has always been possible to create similar selfie images through various third-party apps as well as via Photoshop, but Apple’s Portrait Mode democratizes the creative photo editing process, making it simple and more importantly, accessible — this is something the tech giant is often good at. As I expected, low-light performance is just as excellent with the iPhone X as it was with the iPhone 8, both with the front and back shooter (I’ve added new photos above in the camera section of the original review).

iPhone X front

My experience following the initial publication of this review with Face ID has been interesting. While the authentication processes’ accuracy has improved incrementally with each login — Face ID is now able to recognize me with a hat on, various pairs of glasses and even when wearing a hood — there are still instances where Apple’s new authentication system is inconvenient. For instance, I often use my phone while laying on my side in bed. In this particular case, Face ID doesn’t work, forcing me to input my login code manually multiple times.

To my surprise though, I found Apple Pay worked quite well with Face ID and in fact, might actually be better than the system the company set up for Touch ID. Apple pay is activated by double-tapping the on/off button and direction the phone’s front camera module at your face to authenticate the payment. I tested Apple Pay out at two different retailers and the experience worked perfectly, with Face ID instantly authenticating me on both occasions.

On top of this, the iPhone X’s battery life is impressive, coming in at roughly a day, which is about on par with my experience using the iPhone 8 Plus.

Worthy successor

While my thoughts regarding the iPhone X are mostly positive, another significant issue with the smartphone is whether it will even be possible to purchase it in Canada for the foreseeable future.

Stock shortage rumours and speculation have plagued the iPhone X since its reveal. While there seemed to be ample pre-order supply, both directly from Apple and Canadian carriers, it still remains unclear if it will be possible for someone to walk into a Canadian carrier, or even an Apple Store for that matter, and purchase the smartphone in the coming

As it stands right now though, the iPhone X is a worthy, albeit pricey next step for Apple and the smartphone industry in general.

"After my initial trepidation and roughly half hour of experimenting with the iPhone X's new navigation system, I quickly forgot about my longing for Touch ID and the familiar Home Button"



  • Elky64

    Actually has a cheap look to it IMHO, don’t like that camera design/orientation nor that chrome frame – in white. Maybe once “in-hand” ,and a different colour, I might have a different opinion but don’t really think so. Price is going to keep me at bay anyway.

    No not anti-Apple by any stretch of the imagination as my household has several iOS/Mac devices.

    • JD

      I agree they need to do something about the back design. I haven’t been a fan of the camera hump since the iPhone 6. I’m currently on the 7 and it’s what the 6 should have been from day 1. I do miss the flat back that my iPhone SE has. They need to bring some of that iPhone 5 era elegance to to the back of the X. The front looks great but the back isn’t up to the same standard.

    • John Lofwire

      Yeah those chromed metal band do look cheap should made them white like the phone or a more brushed finish.

  • h2oflyer

    Apple is good at what they now do…and that is market a high end desirable product. But in reality this phone is a collection of borrowed ,copied and stolen ideas and features.

    To price it less would be a disservice to all Apple users. Rolex has been doing this for years, but you can’t tell Rolex wearers that Seiko builds a better mechanical watch at a much lower price.

    • danfrancisco

      Very good point!

  • Surveillance

    I think Face ID is going to look totally ridiculous when you’re trying to pay for something with your phone in store. Touch ID is where it needs to be. Either way $1500 after tax is also totally ridiculous

    • Mr Dog

      You mean to say that looking at your phone looks ridiculous to others? LOL

      Why is it so hard to grasp that you do not need to do anything to authenticate Face ID, other than to use your phone as you normally would.

      Unlike Touch ID you do not have to do anything to authenticate other than what your already doing, i.e look at the screen

    • Marshall Davidson

      And what’s the big deal with this huh? That using your finger involves that much more work to unlock a device than your face? Gimme a break.

    • Mr Dog

      There isn’t a big deal? Lol maybe ready my post in context to what I was replying?

      I’ll entertain you anyways with a reply:

      Using your finger isn’t more work but this is moving forward. We will slowly move to almost not having to think about security of our phones. Everything just happens, it knows when we are using it and when it’s not us using it.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Yes, that’s a good idea. Let’s start pushing the notion that thinking about anything concerning security or much else for that matter is such a great thing. SMH.

      For $1500? You can keep it.

    • Mr Dog

      What? No

      I’m saying As a user we should expect more.

      As a user I would prefer not to have to think about the security,
      It should just be there.

      In the ideal world, my phone is completely secure and that security is invisible to me.

      This is what’s happening as we move forward and Fave ID is the first step. I pickup my phone and don’t have to do anything to tell the phone it’s me. I just use the phone as I normally would and the phone works around me to find out if it’s me using it or someone else.

      Face ID is going to be if it not already is far more secure than other forms of securing your device. Unless you tied to a chair and under interrogation off course.

    • Marshall Davidson

      You realize how silly you sound making a case for ‘security’ here? I mean seriously people don’t think any more or less about how secure their device is whether its using facial recognition or your finger or even a passcode. I’ve used facial ID on my SP4 for over 2 years now and it doesn’t bother me one bit whether I use that or enter a passcode to access my laptop. Whats funny is that the cost of that SP4 is similar to the cost of this friggin iPhone and that’s where the insanity comes into play.
      There is simply no case to be had for spending this much money on a phone for features like this that make it no more or less secure than any other method employed. Sorry.

    • Smanny

      There was no issue with adding both. Other than it would cost Apple more money to include both. But if there was a survey, then you would see that a lot more people would want to use TouchID instead of FaceID. If for nothing else a transition period at least, or the either or option.

      In any case Apple likes to say that it’s finger print scanner is 1 in 50,000. But it’s actually a lot higher than 50,000. Not to mention there is something called SenseID which 3D scans a finger print, instead of the traditional 2D scan. This means it can scan a finger when it’s wet, or even when you are using thin gloves. It is using ultrasound. I hope that technology arrives soon.

    • Mr Dog

      In a few years we will look back and wonder why we though fingerprint sensors were better.

      When Touch ID came out if you did a survey, more people would have preferred Passcodes.

      It’s aalso not like Apple to give users a choice, they go with one thing that they feel is better and many times it is.

    • Smanny

      Apple is not giving users a choice. You have to buy one device or another. That is not a choice. They could have easily added TouchID on the back of the phone, since they couldn’t get it working under the screen. Having TouchID on the back is a choice on the one device. Buying another device to get TouchID, is not really a choice on using either TouchID or FaceID.

    • Mr Dog

      Exactly. I said ‘It’s NOT like Apple to give users a choice’.

      They pick one that they think is better and tell users you have to use this.

    • FTR_Part_deux

      What’s the diff with other manufacturers, like Samsung? If I want a stylus on a Galaxy phone, I’m “forced” to buy a Note device.

    • thereasoner

      “When Touch ID came out if you did a survey, more people would have preferred Passcodes”
      Nothing beats a good password for security but fingerprint scanners did speed up the process considerably so your assumption that people would prefer the slower and more cumbersome method is ridiculous.

      Fingerprint is more than secure enough for users needs while face unlock is an answer to a question that nobody asked that’s not only both slower and more cumbersome, it also replaced the better option in fingerprint scanners instead of just being an addition to it and made the front of the phone butt ugly.

    • John Lofwire

      That the tech used for under screen finger print scanner.
      Will be much more secure than anything else on the market.

    • John Lofwire

      Both unlock as same speed.

      In fact using Face-id force you to lift your phone compared to older iphone you could unlock when on the table not looking at it directly.

    • thereasoner

      Face unlock is slower, you need to make eye contact, see if it worked then swipe up. My Pixel is unlocked and ready to go before it’s out of my pocket with the fingerprint scanner, I can also unlock discreetly under a table in a meeting if need be.

      Face unlock is an answer to a question nobody asked and worse than that it replaced the better/faster option in fingerprint scanners, increased costs unnecessarily and made the front of the phone butt ugly.

    • John Lofwire

      I had the ocasion to test it 1 week ago at a Apple formation about the iphone X.
      Its as fast as fingerprint scanner and it did not need eye contact but its need to see your full face.

      Dont misunderstand me in my eye its an imperfect solution and less secure or convenient than fingerprint scanner.

      agreed about increased costs and in my eye face-id is a gimmick.

      I agree fingerprint scanner is overall better but its not faster that one thing i am sure.

    • thereasoner

      If you can’t unlock it while you pull it from your pocket then it physically impossible to be as fast as the fingerprint scanner and don’t you also have to swipe up after face detection? How can the fingerprint scanner not be faster not to mention more discrete when you need it to be ?

      Reviews have been sketchy on the face unlock tech working properly because while you say eye contact wasn’t necessary a review I’ve read had the the face ID not working with an explanation for that from an Apple tech that the phone “didn’t detect what it would percieve as eye contact”. Apparently it’s preferred that way so the phone won’t constantly be unlocking when you don’t want it to.

    • John Lofwire

      My phone is never in my pocket 😉 Its more often on the table ( i use rear mounted fingerprint scanner device ) or in my holster.

      So if i take by example a LG G6 i need to pick it up put my finger on the scanner and its unlock.

      Iphone X all i had to do is pick it up and as soon as i see the screen i swipe up.

      took about same time.
      Front facing fingerprint scanner you save 1 second ( time to pick-up device )

      But yeah a fingerprint one will be faster if you take it out of your pocket.
      Face-id would be faster if you have wet hand ( as fingerprint scanner wont register )

      As for discretion its was not something we spoken about.

      If you dont want the phone to unlock dont pick it up lol that last part i dont see it as valid sorry.

      You know me i dont like Apple but i like the truth and to be truth its work pretty well but not better than a fingerprint scanner. its be as fast in most case as slower in some as you pointed out.
      its also cost a lots more to make so its a gimmick making phone price higher for no real benefit.

    • thereasoner

      Okay, so now we’re switching from pockets for holsters?
      Face unlock takes 2 additional steps, there’s no way around it. My phone is unlocked as soon as I grab it because I grab it by the back sensor. After you grab the iphone x you need to point it at your face(#1) then if it activates face unlock you need to swipe up (#2). You can change your position from just as fast to “about the same time” if you want, that’s fair but it is unavoidably slower and more cumbersome regardless.

      I’m pretty sure that 99.999999% my hands are dry which still means that the completely unnecessary face unlock is slower and more cumbersome 99.999999% of the time.

      According to you, you don’t have to pick it up and make eye contact for it to unlock. Does that mean that you have to add a third step in sliding it out of the way while it’s sitting on your desk beside you so it’s not always unlocking? Would like some clarification on that because I’ve heard both angles now.

      I’m sure it will work just fine, my points were that it’s slower, more cumbersome and completely unnecessary tech that replaced the more than secure enough fingerprint scanner and they’re valid points imo.

    • John Lofwire

      If the phone is on the table can you explain ( on a rear mounted fingerprint scanner ) how its faster?

      LG G6 as an example.
      1- pick up from table and put my finger on the fingerprint scanner.
      2- device unlocked.

      Iphone X example :
      1- pick up from table and swipe up.
      2- device unlocked.

      I tested it both where same speed.
      Iphone X screen turn on by itself when you pick it up btw..
      So it is now slower in this case.
      When picking it up from a pocket sure fingerprint is faster all around.

      I really hate it when ppl argue about something they did not test.

      As for wet finger i do not beleive you are everyone if by example you work outside all the time ( high place windows cleaner , gardeners , construction ) you will often have your hand dirty like no tomorow or wet. So no solution is good for everyone? but big fail on apple side for not including both options.

      I never said you dont need to pick it up i said you dont need to look at it directly not the same thing also as long as the screen is not open its wont trigger the face-id and as its open automatic by itself when you pick-up the phone there is no extra button to press and everytime i tested it at the meeting by the time the phone was up to my face its was unlocked by itself and all i had to do is swipe up.

      so its not really slower ( beside in some specific case ) and its better in others specific case so i stand by my point sorry.

      i agree that face-id is less secure than fingerprint or retina scan.

      touch ID on iphone 8 is crazy fast its faster than the one on my LG G6 or even pixel 2 they did a very good job on it the speed its unlock i compared it to iphone 7 and its easily 1 second faster to unlock.

    • thereasoner

      “If the phone is on the table can you explain ( on a rear mounted fingerprint scanner ) how its faster?”

      Yes, I pick it up while simultaneously touching the FP scanner , done.
      The iphone x you press the power button while grabbing the phone, make sure it’s the front is pointed towards your face(not necessary for the FP scanner) and then swipe up if it worked (also not necessary for the FP scanner). It’s not rocket science and you can even use a stand/dock on your table/desk that exposes the fingerprint scanner so even picking it up is necessary in that case.

      I got to work, maybe I can address the rest of your post later.

    • John Lofwire

      I know my english is not very good but its not that bad,

      I will repeat one last time ok? When you pick up any iphone with ios 10 and newer its will automatically open the screen.

      on the iphone x that mean i have nothing to press and by the time i see the screen correctly ( directly ) its seen my face and unlocked.

      So the movement of your finger to the fingerprint scanner cannot be faster than a swipe up come on!

      so plz stop wasting my time when someone make me repeat something as simple as : its open up the screen automatically when you pick it up… i start to get very fast annoyed and the next step will be to block you.

      As you said i got to work as well and if i say something positive about Apple ( for one time lol ) then its because i tested it and know how its work. i deeply hate Apple but what i hate even more is when someone talk before testing it themselve.

      Now lets put this case to rest as we obviously will not agree even if i tested it and you did not.

    • thereasoner

      Check out 9 to 5 Mac and their test. It takes twice as long to unlock using face ID. I believe it was .8 seconds vs 1.8 seconds on their test.

      Either way it’s not debatable, face unlock is slower, more cumbersome, it replaced the faster and more desirable fingerprint scanner, it’s a completely unnecessary tech that no one asked for and to top it off it resulted in an ugly screen notch.

      If Apple had only kept the fingerprint scanner then the face unlock complaints wouldn’t exist as additional ways to unlock are always welcome. The problem is that Apple is forcing this inferior way of unlocking on consumers who buy their stuff.

    • John Lofwire

      First its a front facing fingerprint scanner. ( don’t need to lift phone as a said before and that accelerate things.)
      Second iphone 8 fingerprint scanner is faster than any I tested.

      Finally I did not say its was an adequate replacement and that its was a good move as I said in others reply having both would been ideal.

      My claim is only on speed versus back placed finger print scanner if the phone is on a table in front of you.

    • Mr Dog

      “It’s not rocket science”

      Seems like it is lol.

      If the iPhone is lying on a desk and I want to use it, I do not have to pick it up. Just looking at it unlocks it and allows me to use it. When I am sitting at a desk and need to do something quickly, I simply use my fingers.

      You are forced to pick up your phone with a finger print sensor on the back to use your phone. With the iPhone you have the choice to pick up the phone or leave it on the desk to use. It’s crazy that y’all even try to justify the rear finger print sensor for this use case.

    • thereasoner

      “Just looking at it unlocks it”
      You “are forced” to press the power first then swipe up.

      “You are forced to pick up your phone with a finger print sensor on the back to use your phone”

      You’ve been corrected by several people now, myself included, over this ridiculous notion that the finger print sensor can’t be accessable with the phone in a dock or with the screen face down. Not to mention continuing to ignore the fact that we can bypass the fingerprint scanner altogether with a simple”okay Google”.

      I’m curious, why do you feel the need to persist in this fantasy when you already know that its wrong? Does it make you feel better about the iPhones completely unnecessary face unlock to play “let’s pretend” like a child?

    • Mr Dog

      First off, there is no right or wrong. We all use our phone differently, I’m just trying to understand.

      Why would you keep your phone face down? If you get a notification you have to flip your phone in order to view it. The only reason I can see to keep your phone face down is to adjust to having to place your finger on the sensor to unlock it.

      With Face ID, you get a notification, you view it and then decide if you need to tap your phone to act on the notification. Your not forced to pick up your phone to decide view or unlock your phone.

    • thereasoner

      My phone is in a wallet case so face down makes sense so I can unlock it as soon as I touch the device and flip open the lid but that’s just my use case scenario.

      Flipping the phone over is different from “being forced to pick up your phone so you can use it”…very different! How do you not get that?

      The phone face up is fine as well because we have the option of using the always on display to view notifications, swipe down to read them in full and reply or just use voice so it doesn’t matter if the phone is face up either.

      A phone dock/stand that has the fingerprint scanner exposed works great too and is yet another option so we aren’t “forced to pick up the phone”

      We are not “forced to pick up the phone” to view/interact with notifications and we don’t have to do it to unlock. Why you want to insist that is the case over and over again when you know it’s clearly not is just mind boggling. Have you nothing better to do? Really?

    • Mr Dog

      Because it’s true. I guess the word ‘pick up’ is not the right one. But you are forced to reach behind your phone to authenticate when it’s on a desk.

      So phone is face up:

      You get a notification, you read it and now want to reply/go into the app. What do you do? You have to tilt your phone to authenticate and put the phone back down to hold it.

      So when your phone is lying down you are in fact ‘forced’ to lift your phone for authentication if you want to do anything.

      Even in a dock, your have to either: reach around to authenticate or pick up the phone to place your finger.

      I personally have messages on private at all times and Face ID allows me to keep that privacy while also also giving me the conscience of being able to read my message when only I look at my notifications. With the finger print front or back. I am forced to physically interact with my phone in order to view the messages.

      I don’t have to think twice about authentication at all, it just happens.

    • thereasoner

      Not “forced” to do any of that and you know it. I can read, reply and unlock without the scenarios you put forth easily. At best all I have to do is swipe just like you do with face unlock.

    • Mr Dog

      There it is.
      So your device behaves similarly IF you use smart unlock. And IF your device is not on a table it is similar times.

      Face ID is a fraction of a second longer lol. We are talking 0.X seconds. And it’s the first implementation.

      There are plenty of scenarios where Face ID is more convenient as we have discovered through this argument, so let’s agree to disagree.

      And again, you have to think about finger print scanners. If you open an app that needs your authentication, you have to place your finger on the sensor (unless you just always keep your finger there LOL). Where as I do not have to do a think. I just open the app and it authenticates it without me doing a thing

    • thereasoner

      Even without smart unlock features the difference is me touching the back of my phone over you looking at yours and swiping up. You’re splitting hairs in a desperate attempt to find the smallest of advantages in order to justify a completely unnecessary tech that replaced a more desirable one and you still can’t find one. Even if you can find the rare instances where face unlock is a better thing (and you haven’t) it still wouldn’t justify the colossal F-up that was removing the fingerprint scanner on the first place.

      I get it though, what else can you do but fantasize about advantages that just aren’t there? These are though times for you iFanatics with all the blunders Apple made this year, Samsung beating Apple in profits, Huawei knocking Apple out of second place and poor iPhone 8 sales and now this dumb move. You guys definitely need something, anything even if you must image a slower and less convenient tech that no one asked for is somehow a good thing. Sad really…for you that is, quite amusing for me 🙂

    • Mr Dog

      LOL I find it crazy how much your trying to justify the rear placed finger print sensor.

      Tell me when the phone is on the desk, what you have to do:
      – Tilt phone up
      – Place finger on sensor
      – Tap what you wanted to do

      I literally just have to tap the phone that is it! NOTHING ELSE! lol
      Your the one that is counting the millisecond difference and claiming its useless, yet your way is slower lol.

      We can revisit this conversation in 3 years when Apple gets rid of Face ID for something new and you guys defend Androids implementation of Face ID on your phones LOL

    • thereasoner

      Face unlock is actually slower and hard to use discreetly because the tech needs to see eye contact (like iris tech ironically) and then you need to swipe up if it worked.

      My phone is unlocked and ready to go before I can remove it from my pocket and I don’t need to make eye contact with the screen and swipe up for mobile payments .

    • thereasoner

      Agreed. They should have included the fingerprint scanner for those times you need to unlock faster or you don’t need to look at your phone.

    • John Lofwire

      Or want added security by using both together.

      You are my Twin? yeah? cant unlock my phone need both same face and same fingerprint!

    • thereasoner


  • Sean-Paul

    I love how because it’s an iPhone that the new gestures will take some getting used to but when it was BB10 oh that’s gonna be impossible or why would they do that.

    • Marshall Davidson

      BB10 had other issues, not least of which was the total lack of app support. Either way, its a dead issue.

    • Jon Duke

      Your reply is completely off topic. The gestures are the same. They we’re laughed at when it was blackberry and praised on the iPhone. App support has absolutely no bearing on the fact gestures are the same.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Why is it off-topic? I’m not talking about gestures really and the OS was doomed for other reasons. Sean brought it up so don’t blame me.

    • John Lofwire

      Sean only made a comparison about how much double standard we see on tech review website.

      When one OEM do something its seen as bad.
      When another do the same thing ( in this case the same gesture ) its seen as okay.

    • Sean-Paul

      It’s neither here nor there with how BB10 ended up. It’s sad as I honestly loved the gesture based navigation on the OS. Yes it sucked that support wasn’t there and such but what I was inferring here was how the gesture based navigation is now widely accepted when Apple brings it out yet laughed and pronounced as something impossible to use when another company tried to innovate with it. Every article I read about the gestures for navigation pegged it as impossible to learn or use, yet now it’s “oh with you a few hours or trial and errors, it’ll be easy to learn.”
      That was my point.

    • Jon Duke

      You literally just explained why you are off topic. He’s talking about gestures and you are saying he is wrong by talking about… Well… Not the gestures. You are not wrong that the OS does because of apps mostly but he is saying gestures we’re criticized when it was blackberry and are praised when it’s apple. You can’t refute that Hy changing the subject.

    • Mr Dog

      Get over it.

      People laughed at Siri, Touch ID, Fave ID now and a lot of other features Apple implemented only later for the rest of the industry to do the same and no one says anything about it.

    • Jon Duke

      Haha hahaha Hahahaha. You funny. I’ll give you Siri but Touch ID and Face ID we’re all existant way before apple did it. You live under a rock or something?

    • Mr Dog

      You mean the fingerprint sensor on the Atrix with no API, no integration, and no other use other than to unlock your device is the same as having Touch ID?

      Or do you mean the Face ‘recog’ on android devices which can only be used for unlocking devices and is not meant for actual security?

      Face ID is more than just a camera and an IR sensor. Face ID is the entire package. The suite of sensors, coupled with integration throughout iOS with developer api’s to make use of it. And secure enough to be used for payments and passwords for all apps.

      On top of that before even being released, iOS has more use and integration of Face ID than any other system on mobile devices.

      Facial recognition on phones have been around for a long time, sure, but there is nothing even close to Face ID on a mobile device.

      Either way that does not take away from my point. When Touch ID was introduced, no other mainstream mobile device had finger print recognition and everyone said it was a gimmicky. And now it’s the standard.

    • Jon Duke

      You are very much brainwashed into the ios matrix. I will not continue replying to you. I was you a while back. Nothing anyone would tell me would convince me that all mighty Apple did not invent the wheel. One day, you will wake up. Until then, bye.

    • Mr Dog

      Yes, I am the brainwashed one for providing explanation to my answers instead of making claims with no explanation, proof or valid argument.

    • Jon Duke

      I did have proof and explanation you ding dong. You said apple invented stuff they didn’t. I said they didn’t. That’s as simple as I can make it for you.

      It doesn’t matter if you think Apple’s version of something is better, it doesn’t mean they invented it. Face recognition, fingerprint sensors and virtual assistants all existed way before Apple added them to iOS. I currently use a iPhone 7 Plus and the fingerprint sensor is downright horrible compared to my old LG V20. So even your claim of them making it better is wrong.

      All you said was that they added security and more stuff behind so it’s basically a “new” thing. If I invent the wheel and you put rims on them, I still invented the wheel even if yours shines more.

    • Mr Dog

      I never once said they invented anything though lol. Every feature on phones was likely invented at some point before the manufacture did by some university or random start up.

      My point is their implementation is what makes the feature on phones. Implementation is far more valuable than having it first or ‘inventing it’

      What is new is apples implmentation, integration and commitment of all these things they do. Apple was the first company to integrate/implement Touch ID, Siri, and now Face ID on a phone in such a way that it’s useable, secure, and has full developer API.

      So to summarize what started this:

      BB10 added all these guesters that at the time everyone made fun off only now we see it on the iPhone and soon probably other android phones too.

      Apple implemented(NOT INVENTED) these features to their phone l. Everyone made fun of it and called in a gimmick. Now every other phone has it or will have it.

      I hope that’s clear for you lol

    • Jon Duke

      Except they are not the first company to integrate Touch ID, Siri and Face ID in a usable secure way. Google assistant is better implemented than Siri. The Fingerprint sensor is every bit as safe on another device as it is on an iPhone. Apple did absolutely nothing new and their version is NOT better or more secure than others. Wake up.

    • Mr Dog

      This is getting silly now, you keep steering away from the initial topic lol.

      I never once said Siri, Touch ID is the best!

      I said they were the first best implementation.

      Was there a better personal assistant integrated as part of a phone before Siri?

      Was there a better integration of something like Touch ID, before it’s debut?

      If you answered yes to either of those questions, please give me an example of a phone that has something even remotely close to what Siri and Touch ID did before they were first implemented

      There is nothing like Face ID on a mobile phone yet. There isn’t once close to as secure, or that allows you to use for payment, or authentication for apps, passwords purchases etc.

    • Jon Duke

      Was there a better personal assistant integrated as part of a phone before Siri? Yes. Siri was still in beta when it came out and it was far from a finished product. Google it.

      Was there a better integration of something like Touch ID, before it’s debut? Yes. Toshiba implemented fingerprint sensors in 2007. And to this day, the fingerprint sensor is worst than my LG V20. I have the 7 plus (which was the top iphone when I got it) and the fingerprint is recognized maybe 1 out of 3 times. On my V20, I never had to put my passcode unless I just rebooted the phone.

      Your whole argument circles around apple doing things “better” but just the fact that you completely disregard Siri coming out in beta (same with apple maps) shows you are biased.

      Apple is in the business of bells and whistles. They sell marketing and product placement, not innovation. You are allowed to think otherwise but it still won’t make it true.

    • Mr Dog

      Beta or not beta it was the still the first useful personal assistant pushed to the public on a mobile phone. Google now followed in 2012?
      LOL Your comparing the Fingerprint sensor on the Protege to Touch ID?
      But I guess being able to slides your finger across a sensor to vs placing your finger on the sensor to log into apps, websites and to pay for online transactions and physical transactions is the same.

      I give up you win! Apple sucks and copies everyone, only 200+ million zombies buy apple iPhone because they are brainwashed every year over and over again.

    • Jon Duke

      Excuse me. The logging into apps did NOT come with Touch ID initially. It was introduced years after.

    • Jon Duke

      Also, not once did I say Apple sucks. I even said I have the iPhone 7 Plus. I just said they don’t innovate anymore. Doesn’t stop them from making good phones.

    • kaostheory

      I hated when people put their phone in front of their face to unlock in android (rude), and unfortunately apple will be no better. It’s the one major flaw of face unlock.

    • Mr Dog

      If you look at the videos out so far you don’t have to hold it up to your face like you do with current facial recognition phones. You have to use it like you usually do, i.e look at the screen from the normal viewing angle.

      Unless you use your phone without looking at the screen.

    • kaostheory

      From what I’ve seen there’s a bit of lag. When auto rotate lags people shake their phone. We’ll have to wait and see but if it lags, people will be more prone to bringing their phone closer to their face, if this becomes a trend I can see sales skyrocketing as I and many others will be tempted to slap it right out of their hands!

    • thereasoner

      So were voice actions on Android and a slew of other voice assistant apps including Siri before Apple bought it and made it a 4s exclusive(even though the 4 could have run it and did so when Siri was an app).

    • JTon

      I am a little salty at the different slants and spins tech journalists puts on the same opinions to avoid alienating big tech, but whatever, as a fan of BB10 gestures, I can’t help but be a fan of iPhone X gestures too. They’re efficient.

    • I love your song Temperature. I’m not sure comparing BB10 to anything at this point is really valid given it’s dead.

    • John Lofwire

      Why not? he is comparing how many have double standard when judging apple and others OEM product.
      Its irrelevant that its a death OS.

    • Sean-Paul

      It is absolutely valid that every tech organization claimed that it was inefficient and so hard to learn because a home button or virtual buttons are more effective, yet when Apple brings it out and say it will make everything so much easier because of gestures and no home button…all of a sudden it’s not something impossible to learn and given that what it took 30 minutes or so to figure out how to use gestures to navigate? How is this even fair to anyone trying to innovate when it’s claimed DOA on anything other than Apple products. Hypocrites

    • thereasoner

      So true…and typical of the free ride and favourable bias Apple products consistently and unfairly get.

    • kirfer

      Say it ain’t so! It’s just resting.

      And possibly pining for the fjords!

    • Croc Ography

      Patrick you have completely missed the point! Sean-Paul is noting the double standard, whether the phone is dead or not is beside the point.

  • Marshall Davidson

    There is really nothing compelling here and the fact remains that Android is still ahead in terms of multitasking on these devices. Yes, the iPad has seen far more improvements than the iPhone in his respect but to spend $1500 on a device merely for Face ID, animated emojis and a slightly faster processor (which most never notice anyways) is plain nuts.

    • ciderrules

      Still upset?

      My family will enjoy the 4 iPhone X’s I ordered.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Haha…You wish. That’s about the only argument you got left isn’t it? If I wanted to buy this crap I would’ve last Friday but unlike you I don’t throw money into the fireplace for a phone that is overpriced and fundamentally no different then previous iterations save a few features, none of which are necessary, compelling or worthy.
      I can imagine we will hear the same nonsense from you next year about buying iPhone XI for your family. Of course, few actually believe you anyways because you love to troll this stuff and it shows.

    • h2oflyer

      Still bragging ? Nobody gives a sh*t.

    • h2oflyer

      Still bragging….nobody cares

    • Fshumayrqan

      So does samsung cost more for nothing, how is face detection, bixby from samsung?

    • Marshall Davidson

      Uh…I don’t recall stating Samsung was any better and in fact I believe anyone paying more than a thousand bucks for this stuff needs their head examined. None of this tech is worth that much when you consider the cost to make it. And the so-called improvements are just gimmicks designed to lure people in that in no way are necessary, useful or worth the additional cost. It just amazes me the number of sheep that jump all over this and are so willing to part with their money all for some status symbol. Its sad and hilarious at the same time.

    • Fshumayrqan

      So you admit iphone is powerful than android phone. By the way Note 8 is the king of specs and yet mean nothing because of android.

    • Marshall Davidson

      I don’t care about ‘power’ in a phone pal. That’s another sales ploy that seems to work sucking people like you into buying it.
      Both iPhone and Android have their drawbacks and virtues but really you seem to be suggesting this overpriced crap is so much better and it aint.

    • ciderrules

      I’m so glad you don’t work for Intel, AMD or Nvidia. Imagine the world we’d live in if these companies decided computers are “fast enough” already and stopped trying to create ever faster computers.

    • Marshall Davidson

      lol..What a ridiculous comment. Seriously dude.

    • ciderrules

      From the guy throwing around 12 year old dck comments?

      Processor performance is what drives the industry forward and allows software developers to bring more powerful features to devices. It’s been this way for 40 years now. Things only possible on supercomputers or workstations eventually came to PCs and now they are on smartphones.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Its a phone pal not a super computer. There is little compelling reason for faster processors in these things, unless you’re strictly a gamer in which case there are probably better choices out there.
      As a communication device, which is fundamentally what people use it for, no one gives rats azz how fast the processor is. It’s just a talking point and a good excuse to get suckers like you to pay through the nose to own it.

      Last but not least a person calling me out as a 12 year old is incredibly rich from a guy bragging like some kid of the same age in the school yard how many toys he has at home. Or iPhones for that matter.

    • thereasoner

      Yeah, I find it hilarious how speed in benchmarks that don’t really translate to day to day use scenarios is such a big deal for the fanatical iFan yet when you point out that the “iPhone of the future” doesn’t have the latest modems that flagship Androids have for the super fast LTE speeds rolling out it’s somehow okay that the new iPhone will be slower, a lot slower in data speeds !

    • Mr Dog

      Imagine a world where everyone has different opinions, likes, dislikes, wants and we are not all forced to do the same thing.

      Now remove your self from your self obsesse world and imagine that world is here already. Just like we enjoy tech and spending crazy amount of money on a new iPhone, I’m sure there is something you spend more money on that we find ridiculous and wouldn’t do for ourselves.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Yeah exactly and I’m expressing my view the phone is overpriced and not worth it for what you get. I’m also expressing my view that a guy who constantly brags about buying 4 of these has small p–is syndrome. There’s my two cents.

    • ciderrules

      Oh look, a small dck comment. Are you 12? Clearly this bothers you. You should learn to enjoy life instead of being miserable over what others have.

    • Marshall Davidson

      What bothers me is that people like you are so incredibly stupid. Do you see anyone else out here bragging about buying this the way you do? Take a look around pal. You’re alone on this score and saying things like how you can afford to buy this and others can’t is just pure azzholery. Give your head a shake because there is nothing inherently smart or intelligent about spending $6000 on phones that serve no purpose other than bragging rights. You know it. I know it and so does everyone else.

    • thereasoner

      You should take your own advice and stop being a hypocrite.

    • John Lofwire

      + 1000 😉

    • John Lofwire

      having a more powerful device mean nothing if you have slower internet and cannot use it full potential because of limited mobile app 😉

    • Domino67

      The Note 8 is faster than the Apple phone according to speed tests!

    • ciderrules

      What’s sad is people like you getting all bent out of shape over what others do with their money.

    • thereasoner

      Like you do when people prefer to put their money on Android?

    • ciderrules

      Except I don’t, homophobe.

    • I think you’re forgetting about the cost of research and development.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Patrick Apple has plenty of money to spend on R&D as it is and most certainly isn’t something you can factor into the final cost of the unit. On average it costs about $250 to build an iPhone 8 and the X is rumoured to be double that however the rest is just pure profit and nothing else. The margins here are disgusting and R&D in no way is affecting their profits

    • kirfer

      Oh, yeah! Apple is the luckiest company in the world: they don’t need to pay for R&D, they don’t need to pay for distribution costs, staff costs, retail outlets, advertising. It’s amazing what they don’t pay for. Heck, they don’t even need to pay for that big spaceship that’s just been completed in Cupertino.

      You so lucky, Apple! Just pure profit! Apparently…

    • Marshall Davidson

      If you bothered to pull your head out of Tim Cooks backside long enough you’d see how ridiculous your comment is pal. The profit margins this company pulls in are absolutely without comparison so for all these expenses you list they’re still making a killing. That tells me these units are overpriced to begin with but keep drinking the Kool-Aid buddy.

    • kirfer

      Oh, please: sorry to have burst your ridiculous little balloon of baloney up above. “It costs xxx to build an iPhone X and the rest is pure profit”. Duh…

      Please think before you comment: it might stop you embarrassing yourself quite so frequently with tripe like this.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Look buddy the phone costs between $250 and $600 to build. The company keeps plenty of engineers around they pay regardless to work on new products etc so where is this magical increase in costs for R&D that means they are making little profit on these huh? This company is where its at today because of its margins which tells anyone with half a brain that the cost basis is low.
      You should stick to bashing Blackberry instead of shilling for this outfit and talking out of your azz too.

    • Sounds reminiscent of Samsung and the Note 8, or any high-end, flagship smartphone for that matter. My point is Apple is not alone in the high price point war.

    • John Lofwire

      Apple spend less on R&D for mobile phone than Samsung.

      The revenue they have compared to the spending in R&D is a total joke
      search 2017 Global Innovation 1000 | Most Innovative Companies

      Its show revenue , R&D spending and R&D intensity ( how much of your revenue % used as R&D ) Apple is really really bad.

      They also make the biggest margin per device sold of all smartphone OEM.

      So… every OEM to R&D but most of them use a higher % of revenue than apple to do it.

    • It’s accurate in most situations, though under low-light I did run into instances where the Note 8 wouldn’t unlock.

    • John Lofwire

      iphone X and 8 share same processor 😉

  • ciderrules

    “Apple says that the more you use Face ID, the more accurate it becomes, though also warns that siblings close in age, as well as twins, will likely run into issues related to the device unlocking.”

    That’s not what Apple said. What they actually said is there’s a 1 in 1,000,000 chance a random person could unlock your phone, and this number goes down with twins or siblings. They never said twins could unlock your phone or that this number falls to 1 in 1 or 1 in 10.

    One of the early reviewers actually brought in a set of twins to try. Couldn’t fool FaceID even when wearing glasses to try and trick it.

    Even better, they tried this right after enrollment of the first twin. The best chance of tricking TouchID or FaceID is after enrollment before the system has a chance to further learn your print/face. And it was still able to tell the twins apart.

    I’m betting most twins won’t fool it. Somewhere in the world are sets of identical twins that will manage to fool FaceID, but these will be rare cases.

    • I sat in a briefing with executives from Apple less than 24 hours and they indeed did tell me exactly what you’ve quoted from my review above.

      The messaging surrounding Face ID’s shortcomings is no doubt a little blurry at this point though.

    • ciderrules

      My reply is based on Apples white paper on FaceID security.

      At their keynote they even cracked a joke about evil twins (showing Spock with a goatee).

      So it’s not hard to believe different people from Apple describing FaceID security in a slightly different way. I think Apple just wants people to try fooling FaceID with twins and finding out it can tell most of them apart.

    • kaostheory

      Why no comment about the Cat 12 download speeds? Huge fail.

    • craijiji

      Why does this matter when no carrier here supports over that anyway? Future proofing maybe, but gigabit LTE isn’t expected to be in testing here until late 2018.

    • kaostheory

      I guess if you get the X for a discount, but it’s the most expensive phone with old tech. I’m pretty sure Bell already has quad band lte. Even if it’s not out for 6mo how long do you think most people will hold on to $1500 phone?

    • craijiji

      Samsung phones needed a software update to support those speeds. Just so you’re aware, the X supports theoretical speeds of 800Mbits to 1Gbit depending on the model. If Apple pushed the software (which they probably wouldn’t) they would be on par. It’s not old tech.

    • kaostheory

      From what I read they don’t have the right antenna for the chip. Even with software it doesn’t look possible.

    • craijiji

      That’s not correct. Depending on the model, the iPhone X uses the Qualcomm MDM9655 Snapdragon X16 LTE modem which, as you can probably guess from the “X16” part supports up to Cat 16 LTE speeds. Apple disabled the feature.

    • Sk0ly

      Apple doesn’t give anybody features for free. Expect that to stay disabled then pumped as a feature for the iPhone XI

    • craijiji

      I’m sure it will stay disabled, you’re right about that.

      I am not trying to defend Apple here, but some people will try to find anything to cry about when it comes to them. This dude is complaining because Apple didn’t enable something for a service that literally does not exist yet. Save that one for when gigabit LTE is rolled out, if Apple hasn’t enabled it when that happens, then he would have a legit complaint.

    • Sk0ly

      I agree with this. It is a pretty non issue. It is like the people who knocked TV’s for not having 4K before any of the content was 4K

    • kaostheory

      The teardown reviled that the antenna does not support the chip.

    • craijiji

      Got a link? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just want to read it to see if I am wrong. I can’t imagine there’s actually been a teardown since the phone isn’t even out yet.

    • kaostheory

      Sorry I meant the iPhone 8 teardown and so far with what Apple has released for the X specs (600 mbps) it doesn’t look like it will be any different. From what I’ve read they use both Qualcomm and Intel modems, with only the Qualcomm being gigabit capable. So not likely they’d enable the feature, while alienating the Intel phones.

    • It’s not something that came across my radar in the 24-hours I spent with the device but I’ll certainly look into it.

    • John Lofwire

      Same as last year iphone 7.

      Some have qualcomm chip some have intel one for modem and apple put it at the lowest speed for consistent performance between iphones.

    • Domino67

      Apple Face unlock was fooled by twins.

  • Samuel Gomez Recuero

    There is no doubt that the iPhone X is a great phone, the question here is more about if its is worth the price hike from the iPhone 8+. The whole idea of the Face ID might seem nice but I really wish they have kept the touch ID as well.

    I have no doubt that this phone will sell by truck loads on the first weeks and months to come. Mind you that I will like to see some reviews on the battery life, as it is quite smaller than the one on the Samsung counterpart.

  • Fshumayrqan

    When siri realeased by apple lagroid fanatic complaint that why was it only in iphone 4s, And now why bixby on latest series of galaxy only, and why is it I am still nougat 7.0.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Why don’t you just come out and tell us you think this phone is the cats azz and stop bobbing and weaving? Its obvious.

    • Zomby2D

      The thing with Siri is that it was available in iPhone 3Gs and iPhone 4 (and was on it’s way to the iPhone 3G) before Apple bought it and took it off the App Store to include it as a “new” feature of the 4S.

    • thereasoner

      Yep, and it was actually better as an app at first at that.

    • Smanny

      If you are trying to pump up iOS and put down Android. Well using Siri as an example is dumb, especially when Siri came out it was unique on a mobile platform. However nowadays Siri is behind the curve, especially when compared to other Assistants like Google’s Assistant, Cortana, Alexa, and others. Oh and if you own a Galaxy with Nougat 7.0, then you have Google assistant as well as Bixby on the same smartphone. Just hold the home button down and up comes Google assistant. So you have a choice in which assistant you want to use.

    • John Lofwire

      got to love apple troll like you who put everyone else in same bag.

      Any software features that is limited to a newer model from any OEM and not on older model are a joke.

      No matter who the OEM is.

      As for why you are still on nougat 7.0 well because its do the job? you really need new OS version that will lower your battery life and create you load of issues like that crap of a OS updated called iOS 11?

      I work in cellphone industry and i am tired of trying to find work around for my clients because of crap os update who break more phone than its fix.

    • Sk0ly

      Who cares about Bixby, Samsung doesn’t make the only android phone you know right? Google Assistant mops the floor with Siri. Like seriously, not even close. Alexa and Cortana are also better than Siri.

  • thereasoner

    I find the “I’ve only had this phone 24 hrs” thing telling. Many tech sites are often accused of bias based upon, among other things, the need to attract Apple traffic/clicks.

    You can imagine from this rushed “review in progress” just how much damage the writers/editor’s can percieve from competing sites getting to review new devices much sooner which imo supports the view that Apple can indeed control the media slant on their products by rewarding them in supplying those who tow the marketing line devices and event invitations first and punishing those who don’t by making go without.

    • Marshall Davidson

      I think in fairness this site, and Patrick in particular, have a bias towards Apple and its been reflected in almost every review of their products to date. These guys rarely have similar praise for an Android product or for Microsoft and others. The last review I read of O’Rourke’s is how great the Apple TV 4K is and slamming Nvidia Shields because they could be used for ‘piracy’ Gimme a break. There are so many more compelling reasons to buy a Shield over an Apple TV not least of which is better customization and more options to watch content, legal or otherwise.
      Plus you’ll notice that MS always seems to get into Apple events and hypes it up whereas you don’t see nearly as much about other rivals and their product launches.

    • thereasoner

      It’s the same for many tech sites unfortunately and it really needs to change. The consumer is being manipulated by media via Apple’s strong arm tactics and it’s just not right.

      There used to be a time when meddling with the media was considered a big nono. There was atleast some integrity to the trade. Now it’s a complete cesspool, we have fake news everywhere, biased network and print news and of course online tech news sites basically on an Apple leash. Sad.

    • kaostheory

      Apple limited release for media. Obviously only those that give high marks got the device. Great marketing.

    • Look around the internet. All of the major tech websites got units.

    • John Lofwire

      But some got it before others…

    • Influencers and a select few long-time tech reporters got the phone early and could do “first impressions” stories, but not the full review.

    • John Lofwire

      I like the word influencer thanks you for confirming apple tactic 😉

    • Well, I’m not sure what else you call people that produce positive paid media content.

    • John Lofwire

      Well i call it paid for positive review. ( which is something i despise to be truthful i prefer 100% neutral review not influenced by money or free goodies)

      Its okay i like that you are truthful.

      I see you are a bit biased toward Apple but you still have principle and i can see it in the review you do.
      You are far far less worst than previous reviewer that 100% sure.

    • craijiji

      It’s a conspiracy…don’t you see it?!

    • kaostheory

      It’s not new. Apple has been known to take away future units from tech sites that negatively review their phones. If they are limiting units, it will be a safe bet that the sites that have given the best reviews in the past will get them. This is great marketing.

    • Fshumayrqan

      Manipulated? You are manipulated by samsung, why you are here? Talk to your bixby or face scanner yourself with samsung. Oh Samsung hallelujah pathetic.

    • thereasoner

      I own the Pixel and my favourite skinned Android is HTC’s Sense UI.

    • Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to appreciate what Apple does well while still really liking Android devices and products from other manufacturers — it doesn’t have to be one or the other.

      We cover every event in the same way. When it’s I/O, our home page is covered in Google stories. When it’s WWDC, we go hard on Apple content.

      As for your other comments, I direct you to Rose and I’s joint review of the Pixel 2 XL.

    • John Lofwire

      on the surface you are 100% right.

      But when you look at how each devices are scoored for the review bias appear.
      Apple device always have a special treatments.
      Thing that give a big negative to others phones dont on iphone ect.

      A good example is the new iOS 11 gesture same gesture was bashed on review of BB10 phone as been impossible to get used to and when its on iOS exactly same gesture are now good and easy to get used to.. double standard is the issue here.

    • I have never reviewed a BB10 device for MobileSyrup. I also haven’t said that all of the iPhone X’s gestures make sense. I’ve highlighted a few that are great and explained what they all are, but have not given a final opinion on them yet.

    • bigshynepo

      Just read the linked paragraphs on the Note 8 article about price, then read the 3 paragraphs in this article basically asking the reader to overlook the X pricepoint.

    • John Lofwire

      Yeah load of events like this…

    • John Lofwire

      Most tech website are like this.

    • We work within the embargoes provided to us by companies, whether it’s Apple, Google, Samsung ect. If Google provided us with a Pixel 2 XL 24 hours before the embargo lifted, we would handle the review process the exact same way.

      Embargoes exist to level the playing field and in most cases are the same across the industry for all publications. This was the case for Apple’s review process when it comes to the iPhone X.

    • John Lofwire

      Apple is well known to give more freebies to tech review website that praise it more.
      Same thing for giving device before.

      i dont say you are wrong for everything else you said but otherwise i know there is bias toward company that give more to reviewer.

    • ciderrules

      Where’s your proof? Oh right, you have absolutely NONE. Just more made-up lies.

      Meanwhile, Samsung is well known for hiring paid shills to post fake reviews, fake comments or even post as fake developers on sites like Stackoverflow. They’ve not only been caught red-handed, they’ve even been fined for it.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Speaking of paid shills how much does Cook pay you for posting here and elsewhere shilling for his outfit? Did you manage to cash in October’s cheque yet? :-).

    • Mr Dog

      What exactly is Apple giving them? All they get is a review unit.

      No offence to mobile syrup but its market is relatively small compared to almost any US tech site.

      If anything, I am sure most websites wish Apple did not give them a review unit so they could make a stink about it and probably get more headlines lol

    • Sk0ly

      They are also known for blackballing journalists from their events for giving negative feedback. Since they generate so many clicks, getting banned from an Apple event is suicide for a tech blog.

    • Mr Dog

      Not enough things to complain about the iPhone so we are moving to complains about how reviews are done?

  • kaostheory

    LTE cat12 half the download capability of all other flagships. Total fail for such an expensive phone!

    • John Lofwire

      you got a bigger engine than any others smartphone but cannot use it on a race track only on a normal road.. nice 😉

    • Victor Creed

      I lol’d. This couldn’t be any more true

  • John Lofwire

    So… someone with good skill at making life realistic mask can easily fool face-id or if i have a nearly identical twin he can get in my phone.

    Well that good to know i will make sure to inform my client that face-id is not that secure.

    I take a fingerprint or iris scanner any day over this..
    Iris scanner on note 8 work even in almost total lack of light btw its not as fast but its work.

    • I’d say only an identical twin would be able to unlock the device. Apple says it’s done extensive testing with realistic masks.

    • John Lofwire

      i am 100% sure that a mask that reproduce 100% of someone face will unlock it.
      You will see ppl will do it and will break that security as they did all others.

      so in my eye its less secure than real biometric security.
      No security 100% sure but this face id alone is not enuf.

      That + fingerprint would be interesting ( same with retina and finger print sensor used together )

    • craijiji

      Easy there “Mission: Impossible”. No one is going to make a 100% realistic mask of your face to break into your phone and look at all your fart apps.

    • ciderrules

      With Samsung you don’t even need a 3D mask. Just a printed out photo will do.

    • Domino67


    • Mr Dog

      How do you go about reproducing a mark that is 100% like someones face?

    • Salinger

      The Washington Post already went to a theatrical prosthetic company to have a mould done of the reporter’s face and create an ultra-realistic mask of their face; Face ID didn’t unlock the phone for it.

    • John Lofwire

      Paid to say what apple want media are not something i will believe.
      When third party ppl will do it ppl with no bias i will beleive 😉

      I checked this washington post news and they did not use latest technology to make the mask like a Laser to scan someone face and 3d printers ect.

    • Salinger

      LOL! I don’t suppose you can provide links to show proof of these payments to apparently, anyone and everyone, even a media flagship like the Washington Post.

      So then, you’re admitting Face ID is pretty solid if someone would have to go through a laser scan of someone’s face and 3D print a mask just to have a chance to fool it. I’d say that’s a lot more secure than what would be needed to fool a fingerprint.

      Having seen a few (dozen) of your comments on this article, let’s be honest here, Sundar Pichai himself could verify he’s tested Face ID and it works perfectly and you’d still say it’s not true.

    • John Lofwire

      Talk all you want.

      Its not more secure than fingerprint scanner.
      Similar trick need to be used to cheat it.

      At least a twin cannot cheat a fingerprint scanner because he look alike.

      If they did put both and both could be used at the same time then its would be considered as more secure.

      Retina scanner like note 8 is more secure than face id sorry. ( yes a bit slower but more secure )

    • Salinger

      Excellent rebuttal: “talk all you want”. 🙂

    • John Lofwire

      This can go on and on and its why i said that.

      my point :

      Its not more secure than fingerprint scanner nor faster.
      Its less secure than retina scanner.
      Its lacking a touch ID to make it even more secure. ( having both options on same device to choose or even better use together would be amazing )
      Its more secure than years old android facial recognition.

      that its.

    • Mr Dog

      It’s far more secure than a fingerprint scanner unless you have a twin.

      It would take far less work to recreate your fingerprint than a 3D mask of your face. Not to mention Apple also has a neural network in there to detect mask’s.

      Also keep in mind it gets smarter over time. So while it may get tricked by a twin right after being trained, over time it might have a better understanding of it’s user.

      “Its less secure than a retina scanner”
      That is a very broad statement. There is no retina scanner in a mobile phone on the market right now that is more secure than Face ID.

    • TheCuddlyKoala

      Right, a mask. Like Apple wouldn’t have thought of this and tested this….

    • John Lofwire

      With some good tecnic and the right equipement you can reproduce someone face over 99% time accurate.

      If its can get mix up by twins its can get mix up by a very well made mask.

    • kirfer

      “Identical twins” are typically a long way from being physically identical, especially post puberty. So yeah, the “one in a million” would be significantly reduced by the strong facial similarity, but I do remember (via Apple’s information on Face ID) that it’s still quite unlikely that a random attempt at unlocking by the twin would work.

      [[Actually: just checked. They don’t give a figure for how much the probability is increased on average, just state that “[t]he probability of a false match is different for twins”]]

    • h2oflyer

      Serious question Patrick….has face ID been tested with hats, hoodies, and chin covering scarves?

    • Yup. Do you really think Apple would release the feature without extensive testing for simple things like that? No way.

  • ciderrules

    Apple nailed it with the iPhone X and FaceID.

    Otherwise, why would all the Apple haters be out in full force?

    • Captain H. Morgan

      and you will be in full force defending Apple. No offence but you seriously are.

    • Widohmaker

      What’s the point of all this attacking and defending. Buy it or don’t buy it. It’s your choice.

    • Me Ted

      Because you’re on a public forum where discord is encouraged, including opinions on all sorts of devices. That’s how these things work.

    • Widohmaker

      Discord is encouraged. Not really. Discord is injected by people passing judgement on other people’s choices so they can feel better about themselves.

    • Me Ted

      People with opinions. Imagine that.

    • Widohmaker

      Virtue signalling disguised as opinion is not really opinion.

    • Me Ted

      Sure it is. It’s just not an opinion that you share.

    • Widohmaker

      No. Virtue signalling is not really opinion. It’s a conspicuous and pejorative expression of moral values done primarily with the intent of enhancing standing within a social group.

    • Me Ted

      I realize that you took that directly from Wikipedia, but that still doesn’t rule out the fact that it’s still opinion, regardless of where it’s rooted.

      If you look up the definition in the Oxford Dictionary, it actually explicitly references the fact that it’s an “opinion”. Here: “the action or practice of publicly expressing opinion or sentiments intended to demonstrate one’s good character or the moral correctness of one’s position on a particular issue.”

      So it’s an opinion. We should stop this now.

    • Widohmaker

      Ok, granted, it’s an opinion. But is that really what we are arguing about? My point is that passing judgement on people’s choices is nothing more than character assassination or ad hominem. It’s nothing to do with the product. The product is just a vessel for people to get their frustrations out about their lot in life. And what better way to do that than by putting others down. How brave.

    • Captain H. Morgan

      Why are you telling me that? Am I defending or attacking the brand?

    • h2oflyer

      Not all haters…some just pointing out it’s another flagship among many.

      As I said in a previous post, Apple sells high end desirable phones, but they’ve nailed nothing with the iX. And it’s priced appropriately for those that seek the Apple cachet.

    • Sk0ly

      Because it’s typical Apple BS . It’s solving a problem that doesn’t exist. A fingerprint sensor works fine. Also, it’s basically just an excuse for them to move up the price points going forward. Everything Apple does is to screw their customers and yet people keep buying their sht. It really makes no sense. A great example is finally adding quick charge like every other phone has had for three years then not including a charger that utilizes it in the box. Want a quick charger? $50 please. BS and consumers shouldn’t stand for things like that.

    • Mr Dog

      The fingerprint sensor didn’t solve anything either lol. A passcode worked fine

      Cars didn’t solve anything either. Horse carriages worked fine

    • Sk0ly

      I would disagree with this. A fingerprint sensor is significantly faster than a passcode. The one on the iPhone sucks but on the pixels the rear placement and fact that it doesn’t have to be combined with a well timed button press is excellent though. It also opens things up like the fingerprint gestures as an example again on the pixel.

      What does faceID actually solve? Explain to me how it is any more useful than applying your fingerprint. It isn’t any faster, if anything it is slower because it can’t work until it is facing you and it still requires you to swipe up to access the home screen. On an Android phone, you have your hand on the rear fingerprint sensor as you are pulling the phone out of your pocket. This action turns on the screen, unlocks the phone, and takes you to your home screen with one motion, before the device is even out of your pocket. Tell me how faceID improves on that because I will tell you right now……it doesn’t.

    • Mr Dog

      You have to think about Touch ID, you do not have to think about Face ID it is seamless to the user.

      If you look at the reviews as of right now Face ID is about a fraction of a second slower than Touch ID and this is the very first implementation of it. Face ID Allows for continuous authentication, is arguably more secure as you have to be looking at your phone with eyes open to use it.

      I don’t get this ‘once more step’ thing for Face ID. Its not like Samsung phones where you try to unlock and you have to stare and wait. It is instant, you look at the screen like you normally would (Unless you magically use the screen without looking at it)

      It also allows for an aware phone that becomes smarter. Notification are private only until you look at your phone, ringing tones quiet down simply by looking at it. With a fingerprint sensor, you have to psychically interact with your phone in order to unlock it so you can view your private messages or to silence a incoming call or alarm that you do not want to get to yet.

      If your phone is on a desk and you need to reply to a message, you have to pick up the phone, unlock it with your ‘rear’ fingerprint sensor and then you can reply. With Face ID, you can just look at your phone read the message and reply using Siri.

      There are countless examples of where Face ID is a HUGE convince in so many aspects, I have only scratched the surface. Not to mention for us we do not have to enter a passcode when wearing gloves now or have to physically take your gloves off just to use your phone.

    • craijiji

      The “one more step” people are referring to would be the fact that you still have to swipe up on the screen to get into your phone. Yes, FaceID unlocks it but it doesn’t take you to the home screen, you still have to touch the phone. TouchID on the other hand unlocks and take you to the home screen in one step.

      You’ll still probably need touch screen compatible gloves in the winter. Not to mention the fact that if you’re wearing a scarf or you have your jacket zipped up over your mouth, those will have to be removed to unlock. There are countless times when FaceID will be a HUGE inconvenience.

      You’re also saying that you don’t have to physically interact with your phone to do things like silence the ringer or see messages. That’s wrong. You have to pick it up and look at it, that is physically interacting with it.

    • Mr Dog

      Face ID is useable from a desk as well. In the promo content it shows someone using it while it laying flat. But we will have to wait and see

    • Sk0ly

      It’s refreshing on a tech blog to actually get a well thought out response. I don’t fully agree with everything you said but you clearly put the effort into your reasoning.

      Now here goes

      “You have to think about Touch ID, you do not have to think about Face ID it is seamless to the user.”

      This I would agree with and here is why. I have an iPhone for work and a Nexus 6P for my personal phone. The android implementation of the fingerprint sensor is 100x better imo. TouchID has this weird combination of having to put your finger on the button for second then push the home button. Its silly.The placement on the chin of the phone is also dumb which Samsung and Oneplus also do. The back mounted fingerprint sensor makes the most sense as it is where your finger naturally falls. This means that you don’t have to think about it. You reach into your pocket and your finger is already triggering it. In addition, there is no button to press, just contact with the sensor. The last advantage of this location is that you can use fingerprint gestures without blocking the screen or having to use two hands because it is where you hold the phone anyways.

      “If you look at the reviews as of right now Face ID is about a fraction of a second slower than Touch ID and this is the very first implementation of it. Face ID Allows for continuous authentication, is arguably more secure as you have to be looking at your phone with eyes open to use it.”

      I can definitely see how continuous authentication could be potentially useful for certain things such as if you are playing back an audio or video message, youtube video etc and you look away, then the phone can know this and pause playback. I can’t really think of any other instance where this would be particularly useful. In addition, that wouldn’t require the fancy laser array to sense you looking away, you can do that with a front camera.

      “I don’t get this ‘once more step’ thing for Face ID. Its not like Samsung phones where you try to unlock and you have to stare and wait. It is instant, you look at the screen like you normally would (Unless you magically use the screen without looking at it)”

      This one I feel is pretty clear cut. Just think about the work flow. You pull your phone out of your pocket, look at it, the phone then takes you to the lock screen where you have to swipe up to access the home screen. On my Nexus, I am at the home screen as the phone is coming out of my pocket. In addition, the hardware for faceID increases the cost of the device for slower authentication. Nobody is disputing that this is better than Samsung’s implementation but I don’t see the point of that either. Both are gimmicks.

      “It also allows for an aware phone that becomes smarter. Notification are private only until you look at your phone, ringing tones quiet down simply by looking at it. With a fingerprint sensor, you have to psychically interact with your phone in order to unlock it so you can view your private messages or to silence a incoming call or alarm that you do not want to get to yet.”

      This kind of falls back to my comment about the playback and I somewhat agree. Notifications being private not so much because as soon as you look at it, anyone can see them same as any other phone. However, none of what you mentioned requires faceID. A front camera can easily determine whether you are looking at the screen. The only thing that the laser array is required for is for authentication, which I would argue isn’t necessary as you can put a low cost fingerprint sensor on the back.

      “If your phone is on a desk and you need to reply to a message, you have to pick up the phone, unlock it with your ‘rear’ fingerprint sensor and then you can reply. With Face ID, you can just look at your phone read the message and reply using Siri.”

      This one again doesn’t really add up. You are assuming the phone is sitting on the table screen up. I can just as easily say that if a rear mounted print sensor style phone is face down, I can reach over and pick it up and I am already replying. Again, the beauty of a rear mounted sensor.

      You can also reply by voice regardless on an Android phone without unlocking it if you have trusted voice turned on. Therefore I can look at the message on the ambient display and yell “OK Google” to reply to it. Its exactly the same thing.

      “There are countless examples of where Face ID is a HUGE convince in so many aspects, I have only scratched the surface. Not to mention for us we do not have to enter a passcode when wearing gloves now or have to physically take your gloves off just to use your phone.”

      Well as noted by the other comment, faceID doesn’t take you to the home screen so you still need to touch the phone. In addition, early reviews say that faceID has issues in direct sunlight or in places with fluorescent lighting. Look at Nilay Patel’s preliminary review. Also, what about scenarios where you are in the rain or snow? No laser can go through water without being deflected. A fingerprint sensor has no such issue and you can also get capacitive gloves, which most gloves are now. I actually have a pair and they work great.

      My two cents

    • Mr Dog

      That’s the thing though. I do not want to be on the home screen 90% of the time.
      Most of the time, I want to access the widget on the lock screen or view my recent notification. It really is not that much effort to swipe up.

      Think of the swipe up the same as placing your finger on the finger print sensor. You still have to position your finger. With Face ID if you want to go directly to the home screen you swipe up as you bring the phone up and when it sees your face it takes you to the home screen.

      At the end of the day it is personal preference at this point. You might be used to your phone facing down for easy access to the fingerprint sensor but My phone is always face up on my desk. So when it lights up I can just glance at the notification and decide to act or not on it. I might prefer this because of my use cases where I usually have a but load of notifications from shipments, news, sports etc. I do not see the purpose of keeping your phone face down tbh. You would always have to flip it to see a notification that you might not necessarily have to act on.

    • Domino67

      Samsung nailed it with the Galaxy S8.

      Otherwise, why would Apple copy the phone?

    • h2oflyer

      Just in time for Quebec… how’s it going to work with the new face covering laws.

      Does the iX have glove mode ? … Gets cold there in the winter.

  • Andrew Holt

    Apple’s future is one thing: Milk every dime, nickle and quarter out of their sheep as possible.

    • Widohmaker

      And what exactly is this mythical corporation you speak of that doesn’t pursue these goals?

    • Sk0ly

      Basically all of their competitors……

    • Widohmaker

      So Google and Samsung etc don’t want to make as much money as possible. Quick someone tell their shareholders.

    • Sk0ly

      It’s called being in line with market values. Only Apple users are ok with being gouged.

    • Widohmaker

      Define “market values”. There is a market yes. Apple operates within it. If the product fails to sell well then Apple will adjust accordingly. You said yourself people will vote with their wallet. No one forces anyone to buy Apple. You’re just projecting.

  • Widohmaker

    LOL, All the Android trolls have come out to bash the X. Quelle surprise! I love it when people need to bash others to make themselves feel better about their choices.

    • p_lindsay

      Seems like it’s mostly just surprise that Apples fanboys and girls are obedient enough to drop $1500 on this thing.

    • Widohmaker

      It’s really sad you come across as so bitter. Why do you care what other people do with their money. No one forces anyone to buy anything.

    • p_lindsay

      Bitter? I haven’t cared about an apple product in 8 years and I’m certainly not about to start now. If I walked into Loblaws and they were charging $15 for a loaf of bread, me showing surprise at them attempting that BS isn’t bitterness, it’s a rational reaction to blatant price gauging. Do what you want with your money, nobody really cares, but when you spend that much on so little you should expect surprise.. and most likely judgement.

    • Widohmaker

      You care so little about Apple products that you spent your precious time ‘virtue signalling’ to “Apple fanboys” as you put it. You have nothing to say about the device. You just want to tell those buying it that they are a bunch of i****s. How little you seem to care about this Apple product. LOL! As for ‘price gouging’ (not gauging by the way) value is subjective. How and what people spend their money is none of your business. The fact that you seem intent on passing judgement only makes you seem bitter.

    • Sk0ly

      I have to agree with p_lindsay. Accepting a product charging double…I’ll repeat that DOUBLE what their competitors do to add a gimmicky face unlock is arrogant. Quite frankly, go ahead and vote with your wallet if you think this phone is worth as much as a Macbook but that is just poor value when you can buy a Oneplus 5 for less than half the price that does all the same things. He isn’t saying he cares about the iPhone per say, he is saying it isn’t good value and it isn’t.

      Lets call a spade a spade. What is really happening here is Apple setting the new price point going forward. They launched this alongside the iPhone 8 so they could say, “see we charge the same for this iPhone” knowing full well that nobody will buy it because they are launching the X which is the new hot sht. Then, when you see the iPhone XI next year at the same price as the X you will just accept it. On top of that, they finally add fast charging to the thing then don’t even put the charger in the box. If you want to fast charge, you have to spend another $80 to get a compatible charger. Which brings me to my last point. The arrogance is off the charts. Apple is the only company I have ever seen that actually sells the wall brick and cable as two separate products for double the price of a quick charge USBC charger.

      It is taking advantage of an ignorant fan base, plain and simple.

    • Widohmaker

      If someone chooses to buy a Honda and someone else chooses to buy a Porsche are you going to tell the Porsche buyer they aren’t getting good value. After all the Honda and Porsche both accomplish the same basic tasks. I doubt the Porsche buyer cares about your value judgement. It’s totally irrelevant. But passing judgement on the person that buys a Porsche is just virtue signalling. It just comes across as a bitter critique on their social standing/class. By your standards all luxury brands are arrogant and their consumers are ignorant. It’s a classic bourgeoisie argument. But the reality is that many people earn the right to be able to spend in a carefree way. And generally people don’t get there by being ignorant.

    • h2oflyer

      Your Porsche vs Honda comparison is meaningless when comparing the X to other flagships.

      The Porsche has value over the Honda, whereas the X has no extra value over other flagships, therefore it’s fun to snicker at those that want to spend the money for a X. 😉

    • Widohmaker

      The Porsche vs Honda argument was not not an analogy about iPhone vs Other Flagships. The point was about value being subjective. Everyone has a different idea about what constitutes value. You can criticize the product to your hearts content. But when you start passing judgement on other’s choices you diminish the product critique and reveal your real motives. It’s pathetic.

    • Sk0ly

      It actually isn’t subjective though. These phones have a very clear cut bill of materials and very well defined feature sets. Your perception of value is nothing but perception. In reality, this thing doesn’t satisfy a value proposition since the competitors have comparable products for significantly less.

    • Widohmaker

      Value is subjective. The bill of materials is only a small aspect of pricing out a product. Luxury brands don’t price their products simply based on BOM. Value judgements are perception. Stock values are based on some fundamentals but largely on perception and expected value. Fundamentally economics is based on human perception of value. Just because it doesn’t satisfy your value proposition doesn’t mean it doesn’t satisfy others’. No one is forcing you to buy this product. All you care about is trying to feel better about your choices by belittling others. Pathetic.

    • Sk0ly

      You still just aren’t getting it. The iPhone isn’t any more of a luxury brand than an S8, U11, Pixel etc. So, yes, it is objective. BOM, supply chain, marketing costs, and anticipated margin make up the price of a product. I spent six years in manufacturing and have spent time pricing products. All Apple is doing is padding their margins at the expense of their customers and it is hilarious that you are defending it.

      I’ll give you a new analogy. I go buy a honda civic for 20k and you go buy a toyota corrola for 40k but you think that is ok because value is “subjective”. Pretty sure people would say you are a chump if that actually happened. This is no different. Regardless you never overpay unless there is a reason for it. To do so otherwise is plain dumb.

    • Widohmaker

      If you think Apple and iPhone aren’t considered luxury brand as compared to Samsung or Pixel I have a bridge to sell you in Alaska. I find it strange that anyone would attack any corporation for doing anything expect maximize profit for their shareholders. It boggles my mind. But that’s not what this about. This is all deflection from you to get away from the crux of the issue. You’re not here to talk about the product. You are here to tell us you are better than everyone else because you chose not to by an iPhone X. LOL! So pathetic. Consider us informed.

    • Sk0ly

      You really really just don’t get it do you. This has nothing to do with me being better but if that helps you justify flushing your money down the toilet so be it. I am not even in the market for a new phone right now. The one I have works fine. I hope you look at your shiny new device with love in your eyes because that is the extent of the value. Plain and simple, people who put Apple on a pedestal over other flagships in the name of “luxury” are chumps who haven’t done their research. I suppose you are going to tell me next that the iPhone 5C was a “luxury” device.

      “A fool and his money are soon parted” – Thomas Tusser

    • Widohmaker

      You know that when you tell someone they are flushing their money down the toilet you are projecting your values on them right. It’s plane as day. Now if you were simply critiquing the technical aspects of the phone that would be fine. But when you jump to making value judgements and critiquing others for theirs that’s when you know it’s just veiled virtue signalling. Your own words contradict your underlying motive. Not to mention the myriad of straw-man arguments used to justify your positions.

      ““It is the property of fools to be always judging.” – Thomas Fuller.

    • Sk0ly

      Ya…… I’m over this conversation. I guess I just know the value of a dollar more than you do. Call it virtues or projecting values but when you pay twice the money for a product that does the same thing and is built off the same material quality then yes, you are flushing your money down the toilet. Oh, it’s also spelled plain, not plane. Good day sir

    • Widohmaker

      Yes, I’m sure you know the value of a dollar more than me because you chose a different smartphone. Clearly this purchase decision is the pinnacle of your life choices.

    • h2oflyer

      I worked with a guy who bought his first iPhone and got a holster with the cutout to show the Apple logo…. that’s pathetic.

    • Widohmaker

      I new a guy that went to the store and bought an apple. He took one bite out of the Apple. Then he taped it to the front of his Dell. How many more ridiculous anecdotes shall we list.

    • h2oflyer

      Your anecdote is cartoonish…. I mentioned a guy who bought the phone , not for it’s features, but for the supposed status value.

    • Widohmaker

      It was meant to be cartoonish to highlight the ridiculousness. Hence the term anecdote.

    • h2oflyer

      My post wasn’t about ridiculousness, it was about some buying iPhones for only one reason, and that is the cachet value.

    • Widohmaker

      An iPhone SE costs a few hundred bucks. Do people buy it for cachet. Sure some people are brand whores and only buy based on Brand. Some only buy Pixel (used to be called Nexus) devices are they brand whores too. Some will only buy Samsung flagships. Your point is asinine.

    • Sk0ly

      Every time I hear this argument it is so unbelievably ridiculous. I hate to break it to you but the iPhone isn’t a “porsche” compared to other flagship “honda’s”.

      A better analogy is one is a Porsche and the other is an Aston Martin. Except the Porsche is stripped down and you can’t modify it in any way and it only works with specific porsche accessories. After two years, it will receive an update that makes it slower, encouraging you to go buy a new porsche.

      “It just comes across as a bitter critique on their social standing/class”

      You want to say things like this and talk about ignorance? So you assume that everyone would rather have an iPhone and the only reason they don’t buy one is money? That is the dumbest thing I have read all day. Yes, people earn enough to spend in a carefree way, but some of us prefer to spend it with an ounce of intelligence instead of paying a premium for a product that isn’t better built, doesn’t do anything particularly unique, and misses features that their competitors have had for years. You go get that shiny new toy so you can show it off to your friends. The rest of us will make purchasing decisions based on value, not ego.

    • Widohmaker

      As I said below. The Porsche vs Honda argument was not not an analogy about iPhone vs Other Flagships. The point was about value being subjective. Both perform the same functions. One does it differently then the other. As for updates. The iPhone 5S released 2013 just got iOS 11. Most Android devices usually stop getting updated after 2 years. Some don’t even update after one year. Where’s the value in that.

      LOL! everyone would rather have an iPhone. Great strawman argument. Nice way to justify your veiled virtue signalling. Hell it’s not even veiled anymore it’s blatant. Ha ha ha the ego point is even more ironic for someone who spends their time attacking iPhone buyers to make themselves (ego) feel better about their choices. LOL!

    • Sk0ly

      You do realize the irony of this entire post right? You are literally trying to feel better about your choice to overpay for a phone. I am attacking iPhone buyers because of my virtues? No, I am making these statements because you literally made an ignorant comment about a Honda and a Porsche. That has to be the biggest fanboy comment I have read in days.

      I am done here man. I’ve tried to put an ounce of sense in you but you are clearly drinking the Kool-Aid. You go ahead and flush your money down the toilet and think about how cool you are for buying a phone that costs as much as a laptop. Great job. I will instead go buy a competitors phone then take my extra $700 that I didn’t waste on the iPhone and go drinking to celebrate not being a chump.

      Gold star

    • Widohmaker

      I love how you spend your time critiquing people about their purchasing decisions. Why, because it justifies your weak sense of self. I’m here to throw shade at all the Android folks who inevitably come out of the woodwork whenever there is a new iPhone to bash Apple and by association explicitly their consumers by telling them how stupid they are. The only irony here is that you are actually here wasting your time attacking a product that you yourself readily admit would never buy. Now that’s irony.

    • Sk0ly

      Good job White Knight!

    • Domino67

      Widohmaker……you should stop now while you can walk away with a shred of dignity…..Your comments are asinine and you’re digging a deeper hole for yourself.

    • Widohmaker

      Sure thing Domino67. Anything for you.

    • Sk0ly

      lol he is also upvoting all of his own posts. I guess someone has to like what he is saying hahahaha I bet he likes his own photos on facebook too with a #takenwithiphonex tag

    • Sunny Lee

      As a legitimate question, why are people more upset with Apple than Samsung when their Note 8 was only $20 cheaper?

      I’m personally not in the market to buy either of the two phones, since I can’t possibly imagine why I’d pay so much for something I can’t even replace the battery of, but I am curious about the hatred for their prices, and why it seems to be one-sided.

      One thing that I can say with some confidence is that the choice of OS is preference, and that’s something that is unique to iPhone. I’ve known intelligent people who prefer iPhones, and to say such a blanket statement as “they aren’t spending their money with an ounce of intelligence” is quite ignorant, don’t you think?

    • Sk0ly

      I honestly don’t think it is any better. I agree with you. The only reason Apple is drawing so much attention on the matter is because they have a history of similar practices to maximize profits at the expense of their users. Samsung following suit just makes them just as bad.

      The average price of smartphones should really be following how it went with laptops at this point. Rapid development during the formative years, then as innovation slows (which it has in smartphones), the component price drops translate to lower prices for consumers. Unfortunately, the hype surrounding these products has resulted in consumer acceptance of inflated price points. It is quite frankly the consumers fault and we should start voting with our wallets that rising prices for a handheld device less capable than your computer should not be in the same price range.

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  • Yeas

    Some of us are stuck hating iPhones but loving Apple Watch and Apple Pay. In 2017, can you even make a decision based on a phone anymore?

  • Rockwell

    The reason you have to swipe up after Face ID unlocks your phone is so you can read your “lock screen notifications” before actually going into any apps. This is very useful and welcomed.

    • Seems very annoying to me

    • Mr Dog

      Going to the home screen is annoying for me. Even with Touch ID I had it set to not go to home screen.

      80% of the time, my phone use for acting on notifications

  • thereasoner

    I remember that cost was the issue that kept the Note 8 from scoring better than the 8.5 the S8+ recieved despite being the more capable device with it’s SPen/software and dual cameras with optical zoom. They couldn’t give it that extra .5 because it cost more.

    No surprise, here we are with a ridiculously priced iphone x getting a pass on it’s price because of a feature in face unlock that absolutely no one asked for, that’s both slower and more cumbersome that fingerprint scanners, that worse than that actually replaces said preferred scanner and added an eyesore of a screen notch to the front of the phone!


    • h2oflyer

      The price has to be where it’s at. It wouldn’t have cachet if you could buy it for $899.

    • ciderrules

      The Note 8 won’t even get Oreo until 2018. And it’ll take 6 months for it to get Android P when it’s launched next year. And that’ll be the last update it ever get.

      You’re right. Paying $1,300 for a device that gets abandoned after 2 years should get it a score of 10.

    • thereasoner

      10? No, but .5 better than the S8/S8+? Yes if they’re going to be fair…or use price as an excuse for deduction for both Apple and Samsung devices instead of playing favourites.

    • Sk0ly

      That is why you buy a pixel 🙂

    • Domino67

      What is the big infatuation with a whole OS update?….seems to have worked out well with iOS 11 or is that 11.01 or 11.02 or 11.03 or 11.1? ….I can’t keep track LOL LOL LOL.

      More and more components of Android are getting updated through Google Play Services.

      The Android phones get a whole OS update a year later JUST like iOS devices…..Whoop Dee Do!

  • Uzair Abbas

    It’s funny so many people are bashing Patrick and Apple or so. But if there is iPhone x for contest, all the apple haters will participate in it.

    • thereasoner

      I’ve never joined one to date and never will. I know that I could just sell it but I’m not hard up for money. Besides, Apple’s anti-consumer business practices are just so disgusting I just can’t stand the thought of having an Apple product in my house.

    • ciderrules

      Anti-consumer? That’s a laugh. Compared to who? Samsung? Google?


    • thereasoner

      Yes, anti consumer as in,
      -ebook price fixing scams that ripped off consumers for hundreds of millions and cost Apple half a billion dollars in fines when convicted.
      -blaming consumers for device flaws, “you’re holding it wrong”, error 53 and touch disease as examples.
      -forcing consumers to launch class action lawsuits against them before Apple will even acknowledge devices/software flaws.
      -lies about IP that manipulated consumers into believing that Apple was a victim of IP theft while Apple simultaneously stole IP themselves from numerous companies as evidenced by the 2 billion dollar settlement they had to pay Nokia as the most recent example.
      -forcing inferior proprietary peripherals on consumers out of greed while better industry standards are only made available for certain devices like USB C for example.
      -manipulating consumers into believing that wireless charging offered by the competition is a gimmick only to offer it later themselves but only if consumers are willing to pay extra for it.
      -Lying to consumers at every turn as, for example, at this year’s keynote when they inferred the creation of HDR and lied about being the first with AR on a smartphone.

      I could go on and on but it won’t matter to the fanatical iFans like you who apparently suffer from a Stockholm Syndrome like disorder.

    • Widohmaker

      1. I suggest you look at the eBook case again. The price fixing was done by Amazon. Apple lowered the prices and Amazon filed a complaint.
      2. “Your holding it wrong”. – That was funny & ridiculous but that was Steve Jobs ego more than anything else.
      3. No one forces consumers to launch lawsuits. Apple’s warranty system is generally acknowledged to be the best on the planet. I had a 3 year old MacBook Pro that was malfunctioning and going to be out of warranty in 30 days. After 2 attempted repairs they gave me a brand new one at the current gen spec no questions asked. A $3k machine.
      4. Everybody steals IP or manipulates it to their benefit. That’s the nature of the system. Everyone tries to protect their IP that’s also the nature of the system. Apple is no different than any other company. Look at Google vs Oracle. Or Samsung vs Qualcomm. etc etc. It’s all part of the game.
      5. Apple put USB-C on all their laptops and critics lost their minds (#donglelife). Apple never implemented Blu-Ray drives on any of their machines and critics lost their minds. There will always be critics about what apple does and doesn’t implement.
      6. When did Apple manipulate consumers into believing wireless charging sucked. Can you provide a link. I’ll be honest wireless charging does suck with or without Apple implementing it. It’s slow. P.S. Apple makes a lot of statements about technology. Some are true (Adobe Flash) some are designed to poo poo the competition. Just like every other tech company.
      7. HDR is an industry standard. Apple never said they created it same for AR.

      Dude, why so angry at Apple fans.

    • thereasoner

      I couldn’t get past #1. If you’re just going to make up your own reality then you’re not just making a fool of yourself, you’ll also get absolutely no attention from me.

    • Marshall Davidson

      haha…I was just thinking that Apple has been sooo concerned in the past about royalties to musicians who put their content on iTunes which is to say they pay next to nothing but of course when it comes to books they are all of a sudden champions of what the content creators wanted to charge? rotfl! Totally ridiculous argument to make.

    • thereasoner

      Yep, not to mention that Amazon wasn’t doing anything illegal while Apple was blatantly breaking anti-trust laws .

    • Smanny

      Widomaker the iPhone X could have had TouchID on the back of the phone. There is no reason why they couldn’t have included it as well. In the long run it’s better for consumers, because they are getting more options. If you don’t want to use TouchID on the back of the iPhone X, then use the FaceID, but as it stands today consumers only have FaceID. People knocked Facial recognition and Iris scanning on the S8. However the S8 has Facial recognition, Iris scanning, and a finger print scanner as well. So you don’t like one, then you have 3 different options to choose from. The iPhone X your only option is FaceID.

      It’s a known fact that Apple conspired with at least 5 book vendors for price fixing. That is why the courts fined Apple $450 million dollars. Apple lost, case closed.

      Look up antenna gate.

      The iPhone 6 had bend gate, and many took back their iPhone 6’s. I guess that is why Apple re-launched the iPhone 6 again in 2017 with 32 gb of storage, instead of the original 16 gb of storage. That happened back at the beginning of this year.

      I am going to leave the IP thing out, because that might get Apple after me. It’s okay if Apple takes from others, but if you use any of Apples IP, then look out.

      As far as USB-C is concerned, I believe thereasoner was talking about lightning ports on iPhones and iPads, which is now a slow port, plus it cannot support as much power as USB-C​. Nevermind USB-C​ has a much faster throughput than lightning. Apple doesn’t want to go with USB-C​ on it’s iPhones or iPads, because that would mean less revenue for Apple. Because any OEM that makes lightning adapter, cable, or anything that uses Apples proprietary lightning ports, has to pay Apple. So having USB-C on Macs is needed, but Apples latest Macs eliminated all ports except the USB-C ports. Therefore forcing customers to buy dongles and cables. You can’t even plug an iPhone into the latest Macs without purchasing a cable or dongle.

      As far as wireless charging is concerned. There is fast wireless charging now as well. Samsung has fast wireless charging.

    • Widohmaker

      Honestly, I prefer Touch ID. I’ve been critical of Face ID simply from the usability perspective. Apple always does this. They are quick to abandon technology. Sometimes too quick in my view. It really depends on how fast Face ID develops. On the other hand from a usability perspective Face ID is a much better authentication system for their future laptops. We just have to wait and see.

      The ebook price fixing was a case we took up when I was doing my Masters. In my view the judgement was mistaken. Apple was trying to provide publishers with the opportunity to set their prices which Amazon was not. Because Amazon is the big player in the market they had taken away pricing flexibility from publishers. Either publish at Amazon’s price or be excluded from their platform. That in my view is more harmful to the consumer in the long run because it takes money away from content creators. This is the same way that Walmart treats its suppliers. So this was not really about price fixing but about who got the choice to set the price. Amazon or the Publishers. Apple thought it should be the latter. They obviously went about it the wrong way.

      I remember antenna gate clearly. Apple was lambasted for it rightfully so.

      As for IP. All the big companies engage in this practice. Apple just gets all the attention because it’s the big player in the market. But they all do it.

      I think Apple will get USB-C to it’s phones next year. Given they have it on all their laptops its inevitable. When Apple switched form the dock connector to the lightning port Apple was criticized by their customers because of the expense involved and the accessory ecosystem. When they put it on their laptops people complained again. Same thing here. It’s a rock and a hard place situation.

      How fast is Samsung wireless fast charge – 9 watts I believe. I use my iPad charger for the iPhone. Much faster than any wireless system. Hopefully it gets better but it’s not there right now on any standard. I think of it as a gimmick.

    • Smanny

      If you really looked at the Apple ibook case. Then you knew at the time Amazon was the biggest ebook, but also book vendor, period. Apple’s just concentrated only on electronic books (iBooks). You have to be kidding that Amazon did price fixing, especially when Amazon sells both hard covered books and ebooks. You just proved to me that you studied nothing. If Amazon was price fixing as you claim, then why didn’t Amazon get fined? Wait for it, because Amazon couldn’t price fix jack. Why? Because they sell both types of books. Where as Apple was undercutting prices with their iBook prices to entice people to use Apple’s iBooks. If Amazon did the same thing as Apple, then Amazon would be stuck with a lot of real books that it could sell. Here’s another thing about Apple’s iBooks, they like to lock it’s users to Apple’s platforms. Amazon supports multiple platforms. iBooks only support Apple platforms. You got your masters, hmm. Talk about a waste of an education.

      Apple will never change the iPhone lightning adapter. The reason is it’s cash cow for Apple. Apple’s core business right now is their iPhones. Since Apple controls all aspects of its iPhones, then there isn’t any need to change the iPhones lightning port. The first iPhones had a ridiculously large port, which was high prown to damage, plus it’s transfer speed was really slow. The only reason why Apple would change to USB-C on the iPhones is for transfer speeds, and USB-C power specifications.

      I will bet you a billion dollars that Apple won’t change it to USB-C next year. Apple could have changed to USB-C when the iPhone 6s came out. Apple already had a USB-C port on the MacBook Air that year. They could have added it on the iPhone 7 but didn’t. Why didn’t Apple add USB-C to the iPhone 8 this year. For that matter they did a major change to the iPhone X this year, but it still has lightning port. You can make up any excuse you want, but that lightning adapter is a revenue cash cow. If Apple changes to USB-C, then Apple will loose that revenue stream. So Apple will never go with USB-C on its iPhones. Unless it’s another proprietary port that Apple can control.

    • Widohmaker

      Your Amazon price fixing analysis is completely barmy. Firstly the case was about eBook prices. Physical book prices had no bearing on the case. However, even with real books Amazon dictates pricing due to sheer volume. Everyone knows this has put lots of booksellers out of business and the bargaining power Amazon has, as essentially a monopoly player, is anathema to publishers. Let’s get back to eBooks as the focus though. Amazon sold new release ebooks at $9.99. Apple wanted to sell them for what the publishers wanted i.e. between $12.99 and $14.99. So your claim that Apple was undercutting Amazon on price is exactly the opposite of the case facts. LOL!. The crux of the issue was that the methodology that Apple employed (agency model) with publishers enabled the publishers to collude amongst themselves against Amazon because Apple provided them them another option. That collusion amongst themselves in cahoots with Apple was illegal and violated the Sherman Act. Your basic pricing facts are the exact opposite of what happened and make you look foolish. You know exactly jack on this topic Jack.

      The USB-C issue is speculation. I honestly don’t know whether they will change or won’t change the lightning connector. But given they’ve adapted the port on all their machines except the MacBook Air would seem to indicate that they will go this way. I only speculate it will be next year. Syncing music with the lightning connector is dead slow. USB-C seems the way the go.

      Apple had only introduced a single USB-C port on its ‘Retina MacBook’ in 2015 when the iPhone 6s came out but not on any other machine. Apple still doesn’t have a USB-C port on their MacBook Air (their biggest seller). I don’t know where you are getting that they have USB-C on the MacBook Air. They only introduced USB-C on the current gen of MacBook Pro machines. So there was little incentive to move it onto the iPhone until now. And again people hated it when they got rid of the dock connector because it forced people to buy all new accessories. That sentiment happened again when the MacBook Pro with only USB-C ports was released. People were mad. If you don’t believe me check the reviews.

      Hardly anyone makes any accessories with lightning ports built in. They just design around it so that you can use the cable that comes with the phone. With the dock connector people had to license the tech from Apple to incorporate the port in their product. With lightning they just design around it. So the revenue aspect of lightening is minimal. You keep on saying that I’m making an excuse. But I still don’t understand what in your mind I’m making an excuse for.

      Please do your research. There are way too many glaring inaccuracies in your post.

    • skrug

      3) That was because Apple wouldn’t repair/replace it for free
      4) no, company licenses patents to use in their own products
      5) That’s because that’s the only port they provide. if they provided more ports there wouldn’t have been so many #donglelife. Blu-ray is a standard, if people don’t have an option to have include a Blu-ray drive then people will complain.
      6) just like every other tech company? no, not every other tech company are like that.

    • Smanny

      Thereasoner you left out a biggie, the proprietary ports on the iPhones, and how Apple makes money on even 3rd party OEMs that make cables or other items that use Apples lightning ports. Their Macs don’t even have a lightning port. Dongle life anyone?

      Apples Bluetooth is proprietary as well. Sorry I should say Apple puts their twist on the Bluetooth standard, therefore making it proprietary.

      The app store is another one. Lord forbid if you add an app on Apples store that asks for money from the apps own website, or the app takes you to a website to ask for any funds. Why? Because Apple wants their cut no matter what.

      What about the time where Apple took down Google’s maps app, only to promote Apples own maps. Apple has a history of doing things at the expense of others.

    • Marshall Davidson

      I totally agree with you on this point. It bothers the hell out of me that I can’t buy an ebook from the Kindle app or subscribe to Spotify through their app or buy a song through a rival platform which is something that an Android user has little problem with. Its really all about freedom of choice as a consumer and Apple truly is doing no favours to their customers who seem to enjoy being pigeonholed (or corn holed is more like it) into their ecosystem at the expense of all others.

    • jay

      apple keep releasing unfinished products. thats a big one for me.

    • Pigs Can Fly

      haha… no

      I’m glad others has already replied to you, saves my time.

    • I think that’s a fair opinion, but I hope you feel the same way about every manufacturer that has ditched the headphone jack too.

    • thereasoner

      I can’t put the headphone jack on the same level as eBook price fixing scams or lies about IP etc. and no one else should either imo.

    • Sk0ly

      I don’t think the headphone jack is the point he is making about anticonsumer. Quite frankly its a long list:

      – Proprietary connectors that do the exact same thing as USB C but only serve to create more environmental waste.
      – They are the only company I have ever seen that sells the wall brick and cable separately when you buy a charger and the combination costs twice as much as a USB C charger. In addition, they strictly limit third party chargers from joining the party.
      – The enforcement on in-app purchases saying that companies can’t sell the subscription for less outside of their appstore. That is BS and they should not be able to tell companies what they can and cannot do outside of their ecosystem. The financial post left the appstore when this happened and music subscription services did as well as it cuts their margins while apple doesn’t take any cut at all.
      – They force use of their other products by creating incompatibilities with competitors products. ie. Not opening up airplay. There is a reason why google cast is way more popular. Anyone, on any platform, can implement it.
      – Finally shipping a phone that supports rapid charging, only to not come with a charger capable of it and ask another $80 for the charger that every other flagship includes in the box.
      – Putting in a decoy in the form of the iPhone 8 to set a new price point going forward for iPhones. They know nobody is going to buy the 8. It is just there to get people used to the new cost without forcing them too per say. If they just launched the X, people would be mad they raised the price so much.
      – Staggering amount of litigation and refusal to license vague patents they should never have been granted.

      This is just the tip of the iceberg.

  • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

    Apple’s future = Androids past

    • Mr Dog

      Yeah, Androids still living in the past with their 3 year old processor speeds

    • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

      You might want to look at what happens in side by side speed tests. Iphone loses. And typical dumb comment since you can’t make any conclusions about processor speed when one phone runs iOS and one runs android. Conditions have to be equal, otherwise you can’t compare that particular metric.

    • Mr Dog

      We’ll see when they do the test again. In the initial test the iPhones were running iOS11. IOS 11.1 is much better. The iPhone ran circles around the Pixel 2.

      You clearly don’t know much about processor. Both phones run processors of similar architecture. Meaning benchmarking is comparable to some extent. But we are talking 30% difference here.

    • Nadefrenzy

      Usually yes, but in this generation with the iPhone 8/X, it has completely wiped the floor with the Snapdragon 835s and co.

      Not that it matters ultimately as both phones are equally fast in day to day use with minute differences that most people wouldn’t notice.

  • mortywhatever


  • thereasoner

    A “future” phone that lacks support for the super fast data speeds coming out. Meanwhile you are actually future proof with a quality Android flagship that has the necessary modem for those data speeds, unlike with Apples “future” phone. Go figure…

    • craijiji

      Do you know what modem the iPhone X contains? Probably not. Here you go…it uses the Qualcomm MDM9655 Snapdragon X16 LTE modem which, as you can probably guess from the “X16” part supports up to Cat 16 LTE speeds.

      Go figure…

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    • thereasoner

      Only some of the new iPhones have the necessary modem, the others have Intel modems instead. What’s more is none of them have the supporting software because Apple “sandbaged” the faster Qualcomm modem so all iPhones would have the same (10 x slower) performance.

      This was reported on widely, where have you been? Try CNET ; ” Apples iPhone X, iPhone 8 lack a feature the Galaxy S8 rocks.”…or Bloomberg etc. and get yourself up to speed.

      There are actually already 11 quality Android flagship phones and counting capable of data speed advantages up to 10 x faster than these new iPhones “of the future” will ever have. That’s like downloading a 2 hour movie in 15 seconds !

    • craijiji

      Yes, the “much slower” Cat 15 LTE modem that’s still capable of 750 Mbit/s, far faster than what the networks offer.

      Yes there are some phones out there that support Gbit LTE right now, but Gbit LTE doesn’t even exist yet! Who cares if Apple didn’t enable it, no one can use it. In Canada the new iPhones are capable of 600Mbits/second depending on the network. To say it’s 10x slower is asinine, unless you don’t know how math works which is possible. Ya, it’s not quite as (theoretically) fast as a bunch of Android phones, but realistically no phone is ever going to reach peak download speed. If it does, you can enjoy your website a few millseconds before someone on an iPhone X can.

    • thereasoner

      My points stand.
      #1, you’re wrong about the new iPhones all having the Qualcomm modem, they don’t
      #2 you’re wrong about the Qualcomm modems that they do have being capable of Gbit speeds, they are purposely not.
      #3 the 10 times faster than current speeds has been written everywhere, take it up with the author’s.
      #4 the new iPhones of the future are not future proof while the newest Androids are.

      It’s nice to say that current modems are capable of such and such speeds but irrelevant when carriers are working on 5G instead of trying to reach those speeds.

    • FTR_Part_deux

      What’s the point of a future proof phone when we end up switching them every couple of years? I think Canadian LTE usage started around 2010? So in 7 years, I’ve already switched to 4 different phones (Galaxy Nexus, iPhone 4, iPhone 5s, iPhone 6s+). Future proofing has no meaning in today’s technology.

    • thereasoner

      I switch often as well but that’s besides the point. Many people keep their phones much longer these days, especially at these prices and 5G capable devices will have better resale value as too.

    • thereasoner

      You’ll never see that Modem maxed out to theoretical speeds but new Androids ARE future proof with 5G while new iPhones are not, that’s the point you keep missing.

      Not sure why it bothers you so much, you should be used to Apple being behind. Apple always sells old tech for top dollar and masked the practice behind hyperbole laced jargon. They were late to 3G, late to 4G LTE and now they’re late to 5G capabilities. With people keeping their phones much longer these days it a big deal that Apple hasn’t kept up, you really need to get over it.

    • Marshall Davidson

      He’s just pointing out the obvious how this overpriced garbage falls short despite the hefty price tag, but don’t worry I guess because iTards will be out next year to buy the same crap that MAY be future proof. Buying something worth $1500 that you don’t intend to keep for a number of years is sheer idiocy.

      Which reminds me. Did you remember to cash you check from Tim Cook for October’s services rendered?

    • aaron

      Yesss…Let the hate flow through you

    • craijiji

      It hasn’t shown up in the mail yet, but if it does I’ll cash it. After I do that I’ll swing by your work and you can make me a burger. If you do a good job I’ll leave a little extra for you. Save it up and maybe one day you’ll be able to afford nice things.

  • Colin Fox

    I must have missed it but can you make phone calls with this…….?

  • Marshall Davidson

    Already read in The Verge and Mashable how this piece of crap breaks on the first drop. Totally shatters the glass on the back and front lol!
    Another fine example of form prevailing over function and remind me again how much it costs to repair this thing? SMH.
    Overpriced piece of garbage

    • Widohmaker

      Opinions are like a*sholes, everyone has one.

    • Marshall Davidson

      I guess photos of smashed up iPhone X’s are merely an ‘opinion’ too eh? lol! I guess its because you can’t fundamentally address the fact the phone is fragile and unless you incase it literally in something two-three times the thickness of the device, dropping it anywhere will leave you with some seriously damaged goods.
      And then of course putting said device into some big ugly case really detracts from the bragging rights of carrying this around doesn’t it? SMH
      You iClowns are too much…

    • Widohmaker

      I just laugh at the amount of rage in your posts. So much emotional energy spent raging against a product. It’s pathetic.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Rage? lol You have no idea. I just love mixing it up with people that are like the Borg when it comes to Apple products and can’t see what they’re paying for and getting in return. Most of the time I’m laughing my azz off writing this stuff because its just too easy.
      I mean you got a guy as CEO claiming now that buying this overpriced phone is akin to a cup of expensive latte each day and yet he forgets that most people don’t spend $40 a week on Starbucks nor would they want to really. But its apt comparison since many SBUX customers are also posers who carry Apple products around flashing them like jewellery pieces. Don’t get me wrong I like SBUX coffee too but in no way would I spend $5 or $6 a day buying one, not least of which is the novelty of it wears off. Just like these phones did a long time ago actually.

    • Widohmaker

      I guess I just don’t understand why you people care what other people do with their cash. Why are you so intent on passing judgement on something that’s so irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Most people could care less about what phone someone owns or what coffee someone drinks or what some CEO says. It’s almost like you have an agenda. You just come across like a bitter person with a serious chip on the shoulder. Sad!

    • Marshall Davidson

      It has nothing to do with what people do with their money and is really just observations on the gullibility of the fan base here who don’t know any better. I was watching the TV interviews yesterday of people who lined up to buy this and frankly it was a real head shaker. Beyond the status of owning this first or dubious claims its such great quality merchandise, there was very little rationale given why someone would stand around all day and night waiting to possibly get their hands on this.

      Fundamentally at the end of the day this is just a phone that is no more capable than previous models in such a way that people would notice or need. In case you missed it the most of these buyers use these things to text, social media, listen to music, watch a video, take a picture and maybe, just maybe MAKE A PHONE CALL. haha. What a revelation that must be and yet Apple tells us we need to spend $1500 to do the same stuff people have been doing on other phones for years? Cook has been a fantastic CEO as far as shareholders go and he’s certainly made this a richer company than it ever was under Steve Jobs but its really just a scam in that he sells inferior product for a ton of money and where the entire idea of owning one of these is based on status symbols than practicality.

    • Widohmaker

      You don’t care with what people do with their money yet you think the they are gullible for spending that money on a particular product. I hope you realize that you contradict yourself. LOL! Do you walk around and every time you see someone with an iPhone you start mumbling your judgements under your breath. LOL! I can just picture it now. No one forces anyone to buy anything. Least of all a phone. Buy it or don’t buy it. People don’t care. Only you seem to be so vested in your analysis. You really need to get a life.

    • Marshall Davidson

      A little melodramatic don’t you think? There is nothing inherently contradictory about seeing the gullibility of what people spend their money on without actually caring how they spend it. Its not impacting my bank account or my life for that matter and I’ve already explained the reasoning to you and others have also engaged you on this topic from a different angle and reasons, but all that drives iPhones is media sensation that no other tech company comes close to enjoying. Not Google. Not Microsoft. Not Samsung. The hype machine is what causes people to part with their money so easily here and that’s the thing I criticize more than ever because many of these people, indeed the majority, are uninformed consumers being told by a particular brand what is good and righteous without being able to think on their own or consider alternatives.
      Its kinda like voters who always vote Liberal in Ontario no matter the scandals or incompetence that goes on because that’s what they’ve always done. Its bad for democracy just like people flocking to Apple to buy their stuff allows a company to continue foisting inferior products which in my view is bad for consumers and a competitive marketplace that puts the customer first.
      We can agree to disagree though without being disagreeable.

    • Widohmaker

      Ha ha ha! Do you even read what you write. You state that you don’t care what people spend their money on but yet you pass to judgement on those people for what they spend their money on. Keep believing this position is not contradictory. LOL!. Additionally, you’re upset because Apple gets a lot of hype for their product launches and you think it’s undeserved because no other company gets the same hype. Boo hoo! Why don’t you live your life like you want and let others live theirs without your righteous judgement. LOL! Only losers spend their time judging other consumers about their choices. Be happy with your own choices and leave it at that.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Your entire post is truly grasping at straws. So you’re saying I can’t have an opinion about what people spend their money on without apparently caring what they spend their money on? You clearly have little understanding of what the subtleties of indifference but having a point of view isn’t the same as caring. Do you understand this? I sincerely doubt it.
      You can’t really argue any of my points and so resort to ad hominem attacks about ‘living your life’ and ‘losers judging others’ etc. etc. This is a comment forum buddy and therefore by proclamation its a place where divergent OPINIONS will coalesce. You seem to have a real problem with others telling you that you’re throwing your money away on garbage but hey, its a free country and nowhere did I suggest you should be taken out back and shot or any other sanction levied against you for spending your money as you see fit. If I did then you could claim I actually care where you park your wallet otherwise I’m entitled to say that I think you and others are fools for buying this stuff.
      Oh, and why would I be upset about Apple’s publicity? I have an iMac, iPhone, an Apple TV and two iPads in my household and have bought their products for over 10 years pretty consistently. I have no jealousy or fundamental hatred of the company but in that time I’ve also come to realize the limitations of what they sell in relation to the prices they command and I can say that my migrating away from over-reliance on Apple has been one of the best decisions I’ve made from a consumer standpoint the past 4 years. I speak from experience buddy not from some notion I can’t afford their stuff or jealous of others who can.

    • Widohmaker

      You can try and justify your so called point of view any way you like. The fact is that there is a difference between criticizing a product for its technical flaws and criticizing people for their consumer choices and on what and how they spend their own money. This is the height of hypocrisy. What you are doing is nothing more than character assassination and ad hominem by using the product to veil your personal attacks on a group of people by association. I know you know the difference between these two things.

      I have no issue with anyone criticizing the technical deficiencies of a product. Criticize away. However, when you start attacking people’s character and choices by association, the criticism is no longer about the product. So when you start on your rant about how people are gullible and/or throwing their money away, that’s a personal attack on people’s character not a criticism about a product. As you said it is a free country; that also means that you get to be called out for preaching your values to others to satisfy your own ego to feel better about yourself.

      Oh, and your claim that you own Apple products becomes questionable given you refer to these people as “iClown’s”. As if owning Apple products all of a sudden legitimizes what you say. LOL!. Your statements are full of straw man arguments like, “I speak from experience buddy not from some notion I can’t afford their stuff or jealous of others who can.” Guess what, no one claimed you are jealous or can’t afford it but the fact that you need to stipulate this looks like a Freudian slip.

    • Marshall Davidson

      lol… what a bunch of incoherent jumble. Not even going to bother to respond because you’d rather have me approach this from a standpoint you could argue with and it’s obvious you can’t on the basis I put forward. I could argue this from a technical standpoint but I’d still say people are gullible fools for buying this thing and yes, my previous experience does legitimize my comment because I’ve had experience with nearly every iPhone from the 3GS onwards to say nothing of other Apple products and they are increasingly becoming inferior to their competitors. The phone isn’t worth more than a grand let alone $1500 and I’ll leave it there. It’s obvious something bothers you when you read comments here that don’t validate your purchase

    • Widohmaker

      LOL, more contradictions. Not even going to respond so here is my response. LOL! You don’t even know whether your coming or going. It’s incoherent because you’re being called out for your BS virtue signalling. Give me a break! I already said I have no issues with any technical criticism. Have at it. You think it’s too expensive. Fantastic, don’t buy it. However, when you start attacking people’s character, people you literally know nothing about, because they choose to spend their own money in a way that differs from you…. well that’s just pathetic.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Yeah of course you have no problem with ‘technical criticism’ but as soon as someone claims there is not the value for the money here you get bent out of shape.

      P.S. And I didn’t respond to the vast majority of your BS in your last post in case you didn’t notice.

    • Widohmaker

      Everyone differs on what constitutes value for them. Who are you to tell someone else how they should value something and call them gullible or tell them they are throwing away their money. It’s not your money. You literally have no stake in how people spend their money. Again this isn’t an issue about the product it’s about you imposing your value system on others.

      P.S. I don’t know what’s more absurd, the fact that you can’t respond or the fact that you need to state that you didn’t respond. LOL!

    • Marshall Davidson

      “Everyone differs on what constitutes value for them. Who are you to tell someone else how they should value something and call them gullible or tell them they are throwing away their money.”

      You’re a real piece of work. Did you not read my previous comment about these forums being a placed where opinions are shared? Seems that you only think an opinion should be allowed from a technical standpoint but for someone to talk about value for money its unacceptable. Give your head a shake pal because your fixation on how people spend their money misses the mark a mile.

    • Widohmaker

      Ah, I see you are standing up another straw-man only to knock it down. You are not simply stating that you consider something of poor value, you are admonishing others for not sharing your own value system by calling them “gullible”,”iClowns” or “posers” etc. Now you are trying your best to spin your own words. You obviously don’t even read what you yourself write or worse you drank so much of your own kool-aid you can’t tell the difference.

    • Marshall Davidson

      Get over yourself already my Gawd!! A person can comment about the value of buying this product without intrinsically caring how people spend their money.
      You’re turning this thread into some ridiculous argument in order to dilute the point I’m making. Like I said before, you seem very bothered by someone commenting on the wisdom of spending $1500 on the iPhone X vs. a comment about the technicals when both are fair game on this forum.
      I’m not putting up any straw man arguments here but rather making a point and I’ve gone as far as I’m willing and said as much as needs to be enunciated on the topic.
      You can continue playing with yourself out here if it makes you feel better about your purchase.

    • Widohmaker

      I don’t think you even know what a straw-man is. You continue to contradict and make a fool of yourself. Now you’re trying to justify how you don’t ‘care’ how people spend their money but yet you call those same people gullible and question their wisdom. If you don’t care about other people’s choices then why engage in derogatory characterizations. Someone who doesn’t care speaks for themselves not about others and their choices. It’s quite amazing how you twist yourself into a pretzel over this. It’s laughable and feeble. As for fair game, It’s a free country you can say whatever you want. But you will continue to be called out for trying to impose your value system on others. It’s amazing how much you’ve revealed about yourself and that massive chip on your shoulder.

    • Neil Wang

      Just because your inability to see/appreciate the value in something doesn’t mean it does not exist. Be humble and yes, get a life.

    • Neil Wang

      Isheep, IClowns whatever you call it, while they don’t care much about what’s happening to android world, you android fans always seem to be butt hurt over every news about iPhone thinking you are smarter than others. Getting emotional, laughing and insulting others. People like you just don’t realize how pathetic actually you are. And reasoning with you is just a waste of time. Because we are apparently like talking to the judge of the universe.

    • BB BB

      I already bought my new iphoneX in spring, and it’s called the s8+. It has survived multiple drops, skids and abuse without so much as a scratch. I guess Apple really wants to force that $249 Apple care on everyone lining up to buy this Cinderella slipper of a phone.

    • Not to point out the obvious, but you could also say the same thing about pretty much any all-glass smartphone.

  • bruteMax

    I tried the new navigation gestures on the X at BestBuy and, as a former BB10 user, found them very intuitive.

    • Jesse

      Couldn’t agree more. That’s the one thing I absolutely loved about my BlackBerry Z10 was all the gestures and the main thing I missed the most after I got rid of it!

    • EBIGN

      Didn’t Apple hire a bunch of blackberry engineers?

    • TheCuddlyKoala

      LOL!! That’s a good one.

    • They’re great if you give them a chance. I do understand how some people could get frustrated with the new gestures though.

  • jay

    1300$ iphone and still old charger and headphones inside the box. thats lame and not worse it

    • TheCuddlyKoala

      “and not worse it” ? WTF?

    • Omar Hreirati

      Define “new headphones” please

  • TheCuddlyKoala

    Amazing phone!

  • jclowater

    Great phone. Excellent screen. I especially like all of the new gestures and the absense of the button. Face ID is not perfect but it is very good.

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