SyrupCast Podcast Ep. 153: Discussing Apple’s iPhone battery fiasco

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  • canucks4life

    Curious if you get a battery replacement done say on an iPhone6 will it still be throttled?

    • Elky64

      Was wonder about that myself.

    • Jason Monk

      No, the processor performance impact only comes into effect when the battery is old, cold, or failing. If your performance is bad, a replacement battery could solve that issue.

      There are other reasons your phone could be slow though. So make sure you troubleshoot before spending any money on a battery replacement. Sometime soon in an iOS 11.x.x update Apple plans to improve battery information that’s available to the user. That improved info screen should allow you to know exactly when your battery is degraded enough that your processor performance is throttled. Then it will be much easier to know when a battery replacement is worth it.

    • John Lofwire

      They could also make it possible to turn off the feature if you dont care for reduced battery life..

    • Jason Monk

      That is not the choice Apple engineers are given. The daily battery life is not what is impacted by this power management. They are instead reducing power draw so phone will not shut off randomly when it draws more current than a worn battery can provide.

      It’s not really a legitimate choice to give users; have your phone shut off at “random”, or reduce performance during load so the phone operates without shutting off.

    • John Lofwire

      Using quality battery instead of crappy too small one would be a better idea.

      Still give user choice instead of forcing them.

      First you spam ppl of notification if they don’t update iOS and app start to behave badly. Then force user to loose up to 50% performance.

      Sorry this is inexcusable and never seen at any others phone oem.

      Funny not so many Android shutting down by itself in Android world (reminder Android has over 80% market share and many cost a lots less than iPhone)

      Some colleague with iPhone have to charge it 2 to 3 times a day where my lowly essential have more than 30-40% battery left with over 5 hours of sot easy.

      Cheap battery, bad battery life and many recharge cycle. That with planned obsolescence in iOS update darn apple love milking the sheep.

    • Jason Monk

      Yes it is certainly the case that Apple’s recent design decisions have lead to the situation today where a 2-year-old phone usually requires a battery replacement. It is my understanding that a larger capacity (or perhaps higher performance?) battery would probably mean a new phone would last longer before it succumbed to this issue.

      I would still never agree that a setting for power management is a good idea. There are a lot of things Apple did wrong in this series of events, but their software solution for the hardware failure is not one of them. No user would prefer a potential shut down during critical or emergency use, over an app loading slowly.

    • John Lofwire

      Higher capacity battery for same hardware equal to less battery charging and longer life something Apple do not want.

      As for quality well a good quality battery will supply a stable power from 100 to 5% so it’s should not make your phone shutdown.

      As for software I would take a possible shutdown at a certain % of battery over this 50% downclock this issue mixed with new patch for vulnerability kill the iPhone 6 and some 6s it’s crazy… One remove 40% one remove 50% of what left (30% left)

      This show how bad Apple act toward it’s customers.

      But it’s okay less and less of my business client buy iPhone they found out most Android device from mid to high end are more durable and a much better buy price to quality ratio.

      Even if I dislike Samsung a s8 at 200$ on contract versus a iPhone 7 at 250$…

    • Jason Monk

      You sure spin yourself up with off-topic remarks. Nobody is disagreeing that the battery failure is an issue but you keep up with unreleated nonsense all focused on attacking Apple.

      You undermine a real discussion by making misleading arguments about things don’t matter (global market share, anecdotes about friend’s phones, subsidized device prices).

    • John Lofwire

      You sure spin a lots to try to limit damage to your beloved apple.

      Another apple troll blocked.

  • Smanny

    The clock speed reduced by up to 50%. Not 25%-30% like Patrick said. It is very shady on Apples part. Especially when you don’t have a say on the iPhones processors clock speed. There is no defending this action. Patrick you said it was similar to like a laptops battery, where it will reduce the clock rate after the battery goes low. This is so different on the iPhone. The iPhones keep track of the battery usage history, and from each charge to when it is depleted. It can also see how much power the battery has after a user unplugs. From there iOS will decide to reduce the clock rate. It doesn’t even wait to reduce the clock rate when the battery percentage has been reduced from the user. So it would reduce the iPhone clock rate right after it’s unplugged, if the battery is old. Users have no say what so ever. Plus there is no message or notification what so ever. Apple is just doing it.

    Also what’s to stop Apple from hiding things like a bad SoC. Some SoCs work exactly like they are suppose to at their normal advertised clock rate. Some might fail after a period of time at a higher clock rate, but might not fail at all at a reduced clock rate. This would require an iPhone replacement, however if the clock rate is reduced, then users might not ever know. Plus Apple could point the finger at a battery problem, but in reality it is an SoC problem. It even might go as far as a recall of several units. But since ALL iPhone users have no say in their hardware speed, which is 100% controlled by Apple, then the vast majority would never know.

    You also talked about it would be hard, or you don’t know if they could allow their users the ability to change the clock speed. How would that be hard? It would be very easy. It’s not like Apple doesn’t make their own SoCs. So yeah, Apple could easily give it’s iPhones an option to control the clock rates. But this is Apple, and anyone that knows Apple, and it’s products, and ecosystem. Would also know that Apple likes to be 100% in charge of every aspect of their devices, including repairs. Look when Apple charges over $500 Canadian for a glass back on the new iPhone X. That should tell everyone that no matter how good Apples service really is, that Apple has you right where they want you. Plus Apple is 100% in control of the repairs. Ask yourself this question, does anyone here honestly believe that the new iPhone 8’s or iPhone X glass backs cost that much to repair? Or better yet does anyone here think it costs more than a 1/10th of Apples repair cost.

    • John Lofwire

      Agreed with all you said.

      As for clock speed at least they could give a toggle to turn the feature off and get back full speed.
      So we at least have a choice to reduce it for battery life or not like battery saver mode.