Apple confirms it slows down older iPhones to prolong battery health

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  • It’s Me

    The didn’t say the slow them down to conserve battery life. They said that as batteries get old, they cannot provide the peak current demands. If the system tried to pull max current during heavy load, the phone might shut down. So, they prevent that max pull on older batteries to prevent the shutdown. Preventing max current means preventing max load, so the next effect is a slowed down phone since it can’t hit it’s old peak load performance.

    • Marc Palumbo

      I would assume that next version of iOS is always catered to the next version of hardware. Then they just try to optimize with older hardware (possibly 2 gens behind the next gen). Fair assumption? Given Apple’s software development practices, they may not be the best at developing performing software across a board of hardware.

    • It’s Me

      Maybe. Not sure it applies here though. This is specifically about compensating for problematic batteries, most commonly older ones.

      Would you prefer the phone shutdown in power supply error states to protect itself or that it throttle back to prevent that error state but stay running?

    • John Lofwire

      What they are doing is shady planed obsolesence.

      If they would had been more open and inform clients and offer a toggle in setting to turn this features off its would had been better.

    • It’s Me

      This is why you are a cashier John. Great ideas 😀

    • Rev0lver

      Leave poor Stuttering John alone. He’s been reading a lot of Breitbart lately.

    • It’s Me

      It’s amazing how many people form their opinions based on their own ignorance and then proceed to show off just how ignorant they are.

      The circIejerk echo chamber that showed up here kind of demonstrates this phenomenon. A barrel full of ignorant monkey with John leading the way 😀

    • Raj Singh

      That’s you, dude. You just don’t realize it.

    • It’s Me

      Right raj. One of us has worked on embedded systems, including power management algorithms and one of us hadn’t. But you know better because the verge LOL.

      I’ve never worked on the power management system for an advanced SoC but I understand the principles. You’re going out out your way to prove my point.
      Thanks dude 😀

      You’re in good company though. I see the 50 year old electronics store cashier and the rest of under educated agree with you wholeheartedly. So you have that 😛

      Have a good night raj. Please continue to show off. You make for a great show.

    • Raj Singh

      Embedded systems! Your expertise justifies Apple modus operandi. Keep it up.

    • It’s Me

      Not an expert. Just not ignorant. Isn’t it good one of us can say that?

    • Raj Singh

      You are ignorant. Your zealous rationale is: Batteries degrade over time so it’s okay for Apple to slow down the phone without telling anyone.

    • It’s Me

      Making straw man arguments is the place of the dim witted and lazy minded.

      I never said it was ok not to tell anyone. I’ve said I would have preferred an alert to the user that the battery is wearing out. But I’ve also said that throttling peak performance is preferable over random shutdowns.

      Raj, why do you insist on showing me how dim you are? I get it. You honestly have nothing less to prove. You should stop, Raj. You’ve got the senior factory workers and cashiers to back you up. The best of the best, the cream of the crop, the intellectual elite. Isn’t that enough 😛

    • thereasoner

      Oh, he realizes it just fine. “It’s Me” just exudes the same type of do no wrong arrogance the company he worships (and defends) displays. Two peas in a pod so to speak.

    • It’s Me

      Arrogance? Lack of ignorance isn’t arrogance. Don’t have such a chip on your shoulder about “book learnin”…I sure you’re street smart 😛

    • Do Do

      “Planned obsolescence”
      What do you think non removable batteries are all about? That may be one of the few things Apple was actually first at but they’re not alone.

    • John Lofwire

      I see a big difference between a non removable battery and update slowing down your phone on purpose with no options to opt out.

    • Do Do

      There’s no difference if “planned obsolescence” is your point.

    • John Lofwire

      A phone with a good battery life will be good for 3 to 5 years easily with top performance.

      iPhone start to loose performance 1 year after they are out as indicated by the fact iPhone 7 are included in this feature.

      Big big difference.

      As I said I never had to change any phone battery after 2 years of usage if you had then you chosen a bad brand like Samsung or Apple.

    • Do Do

      All (current) top phones are good for 300-500 battery cycles. The science with batteries is the same with all of them. Slight differences? Sure but not enough that you’re going to beat 300-500 battery cycles.

      Using my phone for work I typically get 18 months as I’m on it all day. Last 3 phones I’ve owned have been yes Samsungs and they to, degrade after several months, *I* believe it’s because of the battery, or I could be suspicious and believe it’s because Samsung wants me to upgrade so that they slowly kill the phone forcing me to upgrade.

      My point is, making the phones with non removable batteries is effectively built in obsolescence and all the manufactures are doing it. I’m not saying Apple is innocent, I’m saying they’re all guilty.

    • John Lofwire

      Battery quality varies it’s more 300 to 800 full charge before they start to degrade. Easily 3 to 4 times that amount to get to 50 % of it’s Max.

      So a phone you charge 1 time fully per day is easily good for 900 to 2400 full charge that’s a lots of days (more or less) and yes Samsung TouchWiz seem like apple iOS made to make you change phone.

      Get a clean Android one you will not only get better battery time so less recharge and better battery life but it’s will be fast for a lot longer.

      At least with Android you have many options not like iOS.

    • Shawn Kent

      The point is people may think they need a new phone and not simply a new battery.

    • John Lofwire

      Yep because they are not open about it and do not permit a toggle to turn this features off.

    • thereasoner

      They should just provide decent size batteries to begin with like the competition does and stop optimizing the cpu for benchmark speeds (stressing the battery) the phone will never see in the real world in the first place.

    • Mr Dog

      ‘Like the competition does’

      Common! Please use some common sense. Battery size has nothing to do with anything.

      Competition has ‘larger’ batteries but last about the same time.

    • It’s Me

      Battery size? OMG no wonder you are stuck working nights shifts in a factory. Genius!

      Oh, sorry, was arrogant of me? Haha.

    • Raj Singh

      The rationale is fine, whether or not people buy that story, but why not be transparent about it?

      It also speaks volumes about the quality of their batteries.

    • It’s Me

      They use Samsung batteries. What’s wrong with Samsung batteries?

      Li-on batteries degrade over time. I don’t think that’s news to anyone.

    • Raj Singh

      I didn’t say there’s anything wrong with Samsung batteries but if you have to throttle Apple’s CPU because the battery can’t handle the load there’s something wrong with the set up. If that’s the case, they should offer their customers the choice to swap batteries. That’s the key point.

      Batteries degrade over time; that’s not news to anyone. The problem is they wilfully and purposely hid this from the consumer, admitting to it after they could no longer do so. And if they knew this was the case they should have offered a means to replace the degraded batteries so as to not compromise the user experience, which they care so much about.

    • It’s Me

      I agree, replacing old, worn out batteries is the proper fix, but out of warranty no manufacturer is going to do this. It’s not going to happen and few have easy to replace batteries anymore.

      For all manufacturers, the choice for the older batteries then becomes letting the phone shutdown unexpectedly or slow it down. With those as the choices, which one is the better option?

      And I don’t see it as hiding anything. They prevented the phones from rebooting, which would be a crap user experience IMO.

    • Raj Singh

      That they have to slow down their phone after a year of use? Sounds like you’re okay with it. To me, it’s inexcusable regardless of who makes the battery.

    • It’s Me

      1 year? That would be a problem. Seems like it’s an exaggeration though. Straw man anyway.

    • Raj Singh

      From the Verge…

      “Apple is knowingly designing and selling products that begin to fall apart after a year — which certainly has a way of encouraging people to buy a new one. This isn’t something buyers are warned about, and they aren’t presented with options to fix it.”

      Put a bigger battery in your effin phone or redesign the internals. No one cares if it’s 6mm or 7mm or 8mm. At the very least, let people decide what they wanna do with their phone.

    • It’s Me

      /smfh

    • Raj Singh

      Here you are, the apologist, making excuses and defending the company while I see it as an opportunity for Apple to make a better product. But continue to bend over and take it.

    • It’s Me

      Nah, I just find your desperation to find fault here kind of funny.

    • Raj Singh

      I agree. Bigger battery doesn’t fix the degradation.

    • John Lofwire

      Or at minimum the choice to toggle that crap feature off if you want performance over battery life.

      This is just shady practice from Apple.

    • Stuntman06

      It speaks volumes about their design decision for not making phones where the battery is easily replaceable. Same with all phone manufacturers. My last 3 phones all had battery issues. The first 2 had designs where I can easily remove the back panel and replace the battery. I bought new batteries for them for less than $15 CDN each. My last phone (Nexus 6P) did not have a replaceable battery. I contacted the phone manufacturer (Huawei) and they quoted me a price of over $200 CDN to replace the battery. I ended up finding a local phone repair shop who would do it for $70 CDN.

    • John Lofwire

      Never had to change the battery on any phone i ever owned.

      IF battery is of good quality and you charge it correctly ( as not always topping up to 100% when you are at 80% lol ) its will be fine for easily 2-3 years or more.

    • Stuntman06

      My previous 3 phones hardly ever made it through the day without having to charge. I am a heavy user. I use Waze (a navigation app) almost every time I drive. I mainly use it to check traffic conditions. My normal routine is to charge it in the car and charge it overnight.

      My current phone (Moto Z2 Play with battery mod) is the only phone that can last through the day without having to charge it.

    • John Lofwire

      Charging in the car at the same time you use Waze is the main reason your battery die.

      NEVER use a phone at the same time its charge its the worst possible use of the battery and will kill it way faster.

      my essential have 7 SOT time i use waze as well for 3-4 hours a day play games ect and i got 3 email box on it with 2 calender and easily do more than 2 hours of calls.

      still have 30% or so at the end of the day.

      Moto Z2 play is a nice phone as well.

      My recommendation is to get the new Sonim XP8 comming in May.

      Will run a SD 660 with a 6000 MAH battery and a 5.5 inch screen ( 1080p ).
      Also covered by a 3 years warranty even if you break it or water get in it. ( the battery as well! )

    • Stuntman06

      While I’m in the car is the most convenient time to actually charge my phone when I’m not at home. If I don’t charge my phone when in the car, I may be hard pressed to find a place to charge it when I’m out. If I’m playing sports for instance, there may not be a convenient and secure location to charge my phone before I have to drive again. When I was on vacation on a road trip, any stop I make I’m walking around everywhere. Car trips can last a few hours before making a stop and my phone even on a full charge may not even last the time to the next stop.

      I got the Moto Z phone because I have ordered a landscape physical keyboard mod. That was the only reason. The side effect was that it came with a battery mod and along with the main battery, the battery life is phenomenal. Just got it 2 months ago, so I don’t plan to change phones as early as next year. I’m hoping it will last 3 years or more before I feel I need to get a new phone.

    • John Lofwire

      a good quality portable battery pack will fix this issue of finding a place to charge ( there is some with over 40000 mah enuf for easily 8 to 12 full charges )

      As i said moto Z is a good device 😉

    • Stuntman06

      I do have one of those. I found that they are rather inconvenient to use. They are bulkier than a charger. It’s like carrying 3 phones around. I still have to find a convenient and secure place to use it. If I keep it on me, I’ll have to deal with a cable going from my phone to the charger. My phone belt pouch doesn’t have a hole where the charging port on my phone is. I’d have to carry my phone and portable charger in a manner different than if I were only carrying my phone. It still doesn’t resolve the issue of my older phones dying on long road trips.

    • John Lofwire

      Bulk mean squat if it’s in your car you just bring it out when you are in need of a charge.

      As for long car trip mine can be charged using lighter plug and my phone can easily do 7 hours of Gps so I can take a 1 or 2 hours break after 7 hours.

      You can also use a tablet as Gps they usually have more than 10 hours of sot if you get a good one.

      There is always solutions.

    • John Lofwire

      Why not make it a features you can turn off and on as you need it?

      With no way to turn it off its just planned obsolesence.

    • fred

      Then why don’t non-Apple phones reboot randomly when their battery gets old?
      The battery can provide the peak current. This is not the issue. Battery life is. They should be transparent about it and offer an option to the user to disable the throttling.

    • It’s Me

      Who says they don’t? That’s not a very good question because it starts with a false assumption.

      In fact, if you actually google around for phones shutting down unexpectedly, one of the most common suggestions is determine if you battery health is good. Because other phones shutdown unexpectedly when the battery is in poor condition.

      As for the rest of your comment, no, the battery can’t provide the peak current anymore because it is worn out. This is the issue. Certainly it’s related to the battery life in terms of the longevity of the batteries. But that’s the nature of Li-on…they wear out.

    • fred

      They do wear out. But even when worn out, on my old phones, they do not reboot.
      Why don’t other manufacturers need to perform that throttling?

    • It’s Me

      Who says they don’t? At a certain point of degradation, you will either risk unexpected shutdowns or you prevent them. (Or risk hardware and battery damage I guess).

    • danbob333

      I say it. And all others who own old phones.
      The battery should be designed to allow a current much higher than the peak current. Therefore, even when worn after 3-4 years, it should still have enough peak current so that the phone doesn’t reboot. Of course the battery life will be shorter but this is another issue. Anyways, if Apple’s idea is so great, why can’t they be transparent about it from the start? How hard would it be to have an option to disable the “feature”?

    • It’s Me

      Ok, you say it. Are you saying based on any knowledge of the power management systems of every manufacturer or are you just saying it because it sounds right?

      Why would they want to disable it? The alternative is an unstable electrical system and much worse user experience. That’s like saying when the Notes were exploding and Samsung pushed out the update to cap the charge levels they should have made it optional since the vast majority of them were fine.

    • Mr Dog

      Batteries are not that simple unfortunately.

    • YankeeJatt

      Even if phone shutdown. The user will deduct that phone battery issue rather than not clue why phone has slow down

    • It’s Me

      Maybe.

    • Brad Fortin

      Then why don’t non-Apple phones reboot randomly when their battery gets old?

      They do. A lot. You just don’t hear about it because it won’t make headlines if it’s not an iPhone.

  • Can’t Fix Stupid

    If they do this it should be presented as an option slower cpu or shorter battery life.

    • It’s Me

      That’s probably a good idea, except the option presented would be slower or possible unexpected shutdowns. And then a suggestion to have the battery serviced.

    • YankeeJatt

      Why not the user know that time to change battery notification?

    • It’s Me

      I think that’s a great idea and one I mentioned earlier. One thing to keep in mind is that it’s an algorithm that applies not only to degraded batteries but other cases like operation in cold termperatures. But yeah, I think if it detects the battery has significantly degraded to the point that the CPU will need to be frequently stepped down and step down enough that it impairs performance, an alert about the battery would be welcome.

    • YankeeJatt

      At least let user know that they throttling the phone otherwise making user think their phone is dying is unethical and they should be fined for this

    • It’s Me

      Every single smart phone on the market uses “intelligent” power and processor management that adjust performance based on supply and demand and environmental conditions like heat. Every modern CPU steps up and down conditionally.

      They aren’t doing to make make it seem like the phone is dying. They are adapting to changes in the physical capabilities of the phone to optimize the user experience. Evening out the demand is better than allowing instability. There is nothing unethical about this. You guys are grasping at straws, honestly.

    • YankeeJatt

      Not letting the user know that they are doing this.

      When user has no clue why the phone slow without any reason. most user will think its time to change phone

      I had xperia it had heating issue while shooting 4k but sony always put notification that phone is heating stop recording or it might shutdown. My Samsung also giving power option if the battery is getting low or i’ve option put my in performance mode irrespective of battery. The point they let me know and I choose what to do with information

    • It’s Me

      As I’ve said, I agree a notification would be nice to have. Not. Necessity but a nice to have.

      Keep in mind, difference in performance we’re talking about wouldn’t be noticed by most people. But if their phones started rebooting every time it it was under load, they might complain.

    • YankeeJatt

      LOL…user crying out loud the web pages not loading. Read the comments different site.

      If the phone going in crash loop then something wrong software that it allowed battery degraded that without even noticing. My APC does better letting me know when replace the battery

      Its like your cap the speed to 60km of car. if gas is low and engine need servicing instead telling let you know range it go or engine oil need a change

    • It’s Me

      No, it’s not like that at all. It’s like the phone you are using right now adjusting it’s performance on the fly. It’s doing it right now. And that’s exactly what we are talking about.

    • Mr Dog

      Lol cars do this too.

      There are many scenarios when a car will go into ‘limp’ mode.

      This is even more so seen in electric cars. Where they will actually limit performance based on a number of factors.

    • Domino67

      I have NEVER known a car to reduce HP output because the fuel gauge is on E…..

      Give your head a shake!

    • Mr Dog

      Please read first, then reply.

      There are a number of scenarios when your car will go into ‘limp’ mode and reduce HP, including:

      Bad gas, bad injectors, faulty plugs, etc etc.

      The reason the iPhones slow down the CPU speed because the health of the battery is bad and can not deliver the required current. The same way a car will reduce the HP if there is an old component apart of the system.

      Your phone requires maintenance once every 2-3 years and you car requires maintenance every 6 months. If your going to compare the two Atleast keep that in mind.

    • Smanny

      Wow, now we can all see how much Apple koolaid you drink its_me.

      “Every single smart phone on the market uses “intelligent” power and processor management that adjust performance based on supply and demand and environmental conditions like heat. Every modern CPU steps up and down conditionally.

      They aren’t doing to make make it seem like the phone is dying. They are adapting to changes in the physical capabilities of the phone to optimize the user experience. Evening out the demand is better than allowing instability. There is nothing unethical about this. You guys are grasping at straws, honestly.”

      Do you read what you post? If a SoC over heats sure. All limit the speed to protect the smartphone from overheating. However this is not a case of overheating, especially when Apple is putting a cap on the speed of their Ax SoCs, especially if the life of the battery is not what it was when you first purchased the iPhone. The speed is capped so it cannot over heat at all in Apples iPhone speed restriction. All you did today its_me is prove to the world that you are a die hard Apple fanboy or in your case an Apple zealot.

      Come on its_me tell everyone where does it say that when you buy an iPhone that they will limit or cap it’s speed after the battery gets old? Don’t worry its_me because this will be in the hands of the lawyers soon enough. It’s called a class action lawsuit. No one is grasping at any straws its_me, it’s going to happen. Mark my words.

    • It’s Me

      I’d love to see the class action on this one. A class of tards. The Spammy tard class 😀

      Never change Spammy. (Well, maybe change your violent homophobic tendancies, but nothing else you beautiful man child)

    • Smanny

      Show me where in the license from Apple that mentions that Apple will limit the speed of your iPhone when the battery gets old. Now if Apple disclosed that information at the time of purchase. Then we don’t have a leg to stand on. However please show everyone here in the license agreement where it states that when your battery life gets old, that Apple will now reduce your CPU speed in order to increase battery life. There is no option or message to say this is going to happen. Apple just cuts your iPhone speed, period.

      This was brought to light by others, then Apple had no option but to fess up to the truth. That they were reducing the iPhone speed and didn’t tell anyone.

      Now I will gladly put a bet on this one. There most definitely will be a class action lawsuit against Apple for this. Hey if a woman can take McDonald’s to court and go after them for not putting a warning message on their coffee cups. That the coffee might be hot, and win millions of dollars as well. Then you can easily bet that the lawyers will go after Apple for reducing the speed of the iPhone you purchased and own. Plus Apple never told anyone that they were going to do this. So do you want to place a bet with me its_me?

    • It’s Me

      License?

      /smfh

      You guys are pathetic.

    • Smanny

      “I’d love to see the class action on this one. A class of tards.”

      Well it didn’t take long, because that is what happened. Only it’s mainly started by itards which are the most gullible class of sheep going. They are the type that will lap up and believe everything Apple tells them, including making up excuses. Apple loves people like you, especially when Apple follows that famous sales motto. What is that motto again? Oh yeah, a sucker is born every minute. Hey look its_me Apple knows you to a tee. A simpleton, and a sucker who even goes out of his way to make excuses for what Apple has done here.

      Apple has good itards or people like you that are here to defend Apple for any actions they do. You are here to make up excuses and protect the die hard Apple realm at all cost. Apple should be proud of you. They don’t pay you, but you are here defending them at all cost. What a dedicated itard and simpleton you really are.

    • It’s Me

      So, them suing Apple makes them sheep? That’s sense to your wee little mind?

      So, when I asked if you try to sound dumb, this is your way to say yes?

      And yes captain obvious, the tards filed the tard class action, just as we discussed. Did you have a point other than agreeing with me that you sound like a brain injured monkey again:D

      God you’re dumb. You make thereasoner sound bright and he’s one of those special needs older guys watching over factories at night.

    • Smanny

      You are once again showing the world how pathetic you really are its_me. Two days ago you were saying people are blowing this out of the water, and trying to say that other companies are doing something similar. You are great at deflecting and misdirection.

      “And yes captain obvious, the tards filed the tard class action, just as we discussed. Did you have a point other than agreeing with me that you sound like a brain injured monkey again:D”

      As if we discussed this. I clearly said a class action lawsuit is coming. Yet you were there defending Apple and there actions. You just can’t face the facts that you are literally a big fat looser in life. Physically. Go to a gym and get some exercise. I keep telling you those happy endorphins will kick in.

    • It’s Me

      Do you have a personal care worker? I’m honesty interested because it’s oretty clear that you have significant disabilities.

      I agreed with you previously that there would be a tard class action lawsuit. It would be made up of tards like you that are ignorant of how technology works. Which makes it really weird for you to try to claim otherwise. Did you injure your head again?

      If your care worker is still around, thank her, because your impairment must make her job difficult. She deserves a medal for helping you.

    • It’s Me

      “Blowing this out of the water”?

      I’ll leave that for you to figure out. You’ve used the wrong idiom. I guessing you’re an English native speaker and you’re just stupid as opposed to poorly taught ESL.

      Hahah. Such a tard.

    • Stuntman06

      I don’t agree with Apple’s definition of “optimising the user experience.” My impression is that Apple doesn’t want users to think that there is anything wrong with anything on their devices. They try to make the user think the phone is working better than it really is. That is my impression of what Apple’s definition of “optimising the user experience” is.

      I have seen many instances of this over the years on iOS devices. If I list them, it would be a wall of text. This throttling is just another one of these instances.

    • It’s Me

      I’ll ask you. Everyone else dodges and wiggles and weasels but maybe you can give a straight and honest answer.

      Given all li-on batteries degrade, and once out of warranty no manufacturer is going to replace them for free, which would you prefer, that your phone shutdowns randomly or that is is throttled during peak demand?

    • Stuntman06

      I prefer to be able to just buy another battery and replace the old one. I’m not asking for a free replacement. I’m willing to pay for a new battery. I have done so for my previous 3 phones.

    • It’s Me

      For those that don’t want to buy a new battery, throttle or unstable?

    • thereasoner

      Yep, they should have made users aware that a simple battery change would fix their laggy iPhones but Apple wants them to buy a new phone instead.

      Look for Apple to increase the cost for a battery change now.

    • Stuntman06

      I prefer the option of just replacing the battery with a new one.

    • Smanny

      Could you image if you bought a car, and when the engine gets older, the car manufacturer limits its power output. I smell a class action suite coming down the pipes at Apple. Because if you buy the car or the phone and own it outright. Who is Apple to say they can change the speed of your smartphone, that you purchased and own fully.

      Mark my words class action lawsuit will follow.

    • Stuntman06

      Great analogy! The car would have warnings appear on the dash telling you something is wrong and to get it fixed. My PC’s also have that feature. It does a battery check and can tell me if the battery needs replacing.

    • thereasoner

      Or how about a decent size battery to begin with instead of the wafer thin batteries iPhones have?

    • Mr Dog

      What is a decent size batter? I am super curious lol

    • It’s Me

      You’ll be waiting a while. He’s sleeping off his night shift. Dont expect a response to explain his ignorance until sometime this after noon. I’m sure he’ll regale you with knowledge and wisdom glean from long hours on the line.

      😀

    • Stuntman06

      A decent sized battery to me is one that can last at least 2 days with my usage and still have a little juice to spare. I regularly charge my phone every night. The extra day is for those times when I may forget or if there is a power outage. Extra battery power is one of those things you don’t need every day, but you’ll be extremely grateful to have on those rare occasions.

      So far, only the Moto Z2 Play with a battery mod comes close. All of my other phones, I have had to charge it part way through the day.

    • Stuntman06

      That too. I want both. I managed to get that on my old Samsung Galaxy S3. The battery was replaceable. Also, I found a higher capacity battery. It comes with a different back panel that made the phone thicker as well because the high capacity battery was thicker.

      Thicker phones have an additional feature. The replaced back panel made the phone thicker and also the area around the camera module is raised. This resulted in the camera module to not contact the surface of the table when you place the phone on the table. It provides better protection to the camera module.

    • Shoey5

      But then when you walk into an Apple store and say my phone which is perfectly fine for me isn’t lasting and cry when you hear the price of a replacement for your outdated phone….they won’t be able to smile and say, you should upgrade.

  • akabur

    “feature”…

    • John Lofwire

      A features usually have a toggle to turn it off 😉

      This is nothing more than Apple making older phone slower to get more sales.

    • beyond

      This does have a toggle, called the power button…so in conclusion…”feature” 🙂

    • John Lofwire

      For Apple user I guess lol.

  • Shoey5

    When did it become acceptable to have all these “disposable” devices without user friendly replaceable batteries that we have to come up with excuses to justify degrading performance over time. How about we go back to user replaceable batteries.

    • Stuntman06

      Ever since the thinness craze started, many phone manufacturers found that a unibody design allows for the phone to be thinner than one where that had a panel that you can open to access the battery. Smartphones have become so mainstream that fashion is dictating the design instead of functionality. The latest craze is now thinner and thinner bezels.

      I’ve never thought it was ever acceptable to have an electronic device that has a non-removable battery. The battery seems to have an average lifespan shorter than most other parts of the phone. It is also the most easily replaceable part as long as it is not a unibody design. My previous 3 phones, I have bought a second battery for them. The unibody design on one of these phones made the battery replacement much more costly for me (about 5 times as much).

    • Shoey5

      Except most people thicken up their phone with a case anyway 🙂 Maybe it’s time people consider practicality over thinness. How thin does the phone have to be? We are at a point where you can make a thin phone with a unibody like design yet still have a removable battery.

    • Stuntman06

      Yeah. Every phone I have ever owned, I have never thought it was too thick or want it to be thinner. My first 2 phones were really thick because they had landscape slider keyboard. I never thought they were too thick to begin with. Still, year after year phones become thinner and thinner. This one thing phone makers work on doing that I care absolutely nothing about. I must be in the minority because it seems everyone is gaga over shaving off fractions of a millimeter in thickness every year.

    • Jason

      As a repair tech I have pretty much all but stopped repairing phones, it takes almost an hour to get into the phone, 5+ minutes to replace the screen/battery, then 30 minutes to put it all back together and once it’s back together it’s not like when it’s new. Meanwhile go back 5 years 30 minutes start to finish.

    • Mr Dog

      It’s a $100. You spend $600+ on a phone. Is $100 every 3 years really a lot to ask to continue using your phone?

    • Shoey5

      Like I said, we come up with excuses to justify it 🙂 Battery drain is noticeable way before 3 year mark. A replaceable battery should not cost 3 Times as much as what it would cost to replace it yourself. You have to go out of your way to get the battery replaced on their schedule and my understanding is they don’t always swap out your phone, sometimes they tell you they have to have one shipped to the store. Aside of course from the ability to carry spare with you for long trips or other times when you need the battery power.

    • Mr Dog

      A brand new good quality battery cost about $50 – $80. Apple replaces it for $99.

      It’s really not all that bad.

    • Shoey5

      You’re shopping in the wrong places

    • Brad Fortin

      When did it become acceptable to have all these “disposable” devices without user friendly replaceable batteries that we have to come up with excuses to justify degrading performance over time?

      About a decade ago when engineers realized that they can fit a larger battery in the same size device if you take out all the mechanisms to make the battery removable.

    • Shoey5

      There are phones with larger capacity removable batteries than those with integrated batteries. Like I said… we come up with excuses to justify the stupidity of spending so much on a disposable device 🙂

    • Brad Fortin

      Yes, but given two identical spaces within two devices, one with a removable battery and one with a non-removable battery, the one with the non-removable battery will be bigger because it doesn’t have to give up some of that space to battery removal mechanisms.

    • Shoey5

      Then Apple must be really crappy at design because there are devices out there with similar diminsions with larger batteries. We are not at a point in the techology stage were latches are huge white platic gobs sticking out the back of a device.

    • Brad Fortin

      Apple is excellent at design. Other OEMs fit larger batteries by sacrificing other components like stereo speakers or haptic engines that don’t suck. Thankfully Apple also designs their chips to be incredibly power efficient, which means iPhones don’t need batteries as large as Android phones to get the same battery life (or, put another way, an Android phone with an iPhone-size battery would have worse battery life than the iPhone because the chips aren’t as efficient).

    • Shoey5

      You mean sacrifice things like head phone jacks?

    • Brad Fortin

      I did read your original post, and answered the question you had. Now we’re just discussing what different manufacturers do with the limited space within a phone since removable batteries take up more internal room than non-removable batteries.

    • Shoey5

      Not according to the thread

  • basesloadedwalk

    Doesn’t surprise me. This is apple, where they dictate how it’s users can use their own property. A shaddy company that should be put out of business by any means necessary,

    • Rev0lver

      “A shaddy company that should be put out of business by any means necessary,”

      Did you just make a terroristic threat against Apple? You’re even dumber than I thought.

    • Mike

      Says the guy who has Trump as their profile pic.

    • Rev0lver

      What does an avatar have to do with what I’m saying?

    • MoYeung

      For example, allegations of conflicts of interest and pro-Trump political prejudice?

    • Rev0lver

      Trump is an ignorant r@cist buffoon, but again, what does my avatar have to do with what I’m saying?

    • MoYeung

      When you accuse someone of terrorism and your avatar being what it is, it creates a sort of circumstancial evidence which can be perceptived as my example above.

    • Rev0lver

      Eh?

    • Anaron

      No, it doesn’t. You just made that up and it’s actually quite amusing. Someone’s avatar should have absolutely nothing to do with their comments.

    • MoYeung

      Another example: someone is wearing a pro-trump t-shirt or drives a car full of trump decals, and when he starts mouthing off, the jury can put two-and-two together.

    • Rev0lver

      Who’s on trial here? What jury? You make no sense at all.

    • basesloadedwalk

      A couple of comments below from “this user is blocked”, which means I blocked you for being an Apple fanboy long ago.

    • Rev0lver

      ig·nore
      iɡˈnôr/
      verb
      refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally.

      First of all, buy a dictionary. Secondly, I am an Android user you simpleton.

    • It’s Me

      Nah, to blocked them because they made you look dumb. Again.

    • Rev0lver

      To be fair he does an excellent job of making himself look dumb. I just point it out.

  • Shawn Kent

    How does Apple know your battery is degraded and what is the threshold for throttling performance?

    • fred

      They know because there is a newer iPhone out.
      When they publish a software update after the release of a new iPhone, they throttle the old model.

      I think they can measure the voltage drop over time to determine if a battery is worn out.
      I only hope they disable throttling if the charger is connected.

    • Shawn Kent

      And what if you buy an older model brand new which they still sell on there website ie 6s

    • EndangeredTechman

      Like Fred said, voltage drop is the main way. Throughout use a modern mobile device logs voltage and estimated draw. Using this log it estmates how full the battery is. An old cell will have a larger voltage drop with a sudden surge in current.Temperature is another way as internal resistance will create heat. Internal resistance will rise with age as the electrode degrades/changes shape. If internal resistance drops suddenly the membrane may have damage.

  • Jason

    My car is also a few years old so on the highway I only drive at 50km/h to make sure the engine is at best performance

    • Anaron

      That’s such an amazing analogy! Because comparing lower power draw because of throttled CPU performance is similar to driving slower in a car.

    • Mr Dog

      There are plenty of times where a car will in fact go into ‘limp’ mode. Even more so with electric cars.

      I’d rather have my car limit my speed to 50KM/h than all of a sudden stop working while driving at 100KM/h

  • Do Do

    Of course

  • Jon Duke

    Hahahaaha “Feature” hahahaha

  • thereasoner

    This is absolutely hilarious and to see the same iFanatics who once frantically claimed that older iPhones don’t slow down now on here defending this is priceless!

    This has been such a terrible run that Apple’s been on lately between the quality, security, privacy concerns affecting so many of their products and services and some of the most buggy software ever to be released in iOS 11 yet the iNuts are still asking for more.

    It just goes to show what happens when customers care more about image than quality. Apple/iPhone users really are their own worst enemy.

    • Anaron

      “iFanatics” and “iNuts”. You definitely lose credibility when you resort to childish tactics like name-calling. The people in denial about certain issues don’t represent all iPhone users. Also, what security and privacy concerns are you talking about? Apple stays on top of their security updates and delivers them more frequently and in a more timely fashion than nearly every Android device maker.

    • thereasoner

      Actually I clearly referred to normal/regular iPhone customers as “Apple/iPhone users” at the end. As for the iNuts/iFanatics who were once in denial over this issue, they know who they are and that it’s fitting.

      You must be one of the fanatical types of you have turned a blind eye to all of Apples issues lately and in denial yourself if you need me to point them out! As I said before, demand better and you guys wouldn’t find yourselves in such an embarrassing spot 🙂

    • Mr Dog

      You mean the issues that have been patched in less than a week?

      While the majority of Android has yet to receive updates for month old security flaws? LOL

    • Anaron

      You’re still going on with the name-calling. That’s immature.

      It’s ironic that you called me “one of the fanatical types”. I don’t have any brand loyalty. I get what I want depending on my wants and needs. I’ve used Android for many years and enjoyed it. And now I’m using an iPhone because I enjoy it.

      You mentioned “quality, security, privacy concerns” so the onus is on you to provide the evidence. Otherwise, you’re talking out of your behind. Is it because you can’t provide credible sources to backup your claims?

    • thereasoner

      You know exactly what’s been going on with Apple these days, everyone does, it’s been one epic F-up after another. I get that you want to pretend otherwise, you’re embarrassed as you should be.

      Good thing you hide your posting history like other Apple cowards do least we find out that you too were fool enough to say iphones don’t slow down .

      I’m done here, you were done before you started…”what problems?” Lmao! Weak son, very weak ! Your lame azz will get more attention from me 🙂

    • Anaron

      I’m actually not even surprised that you resorted to ad hominem attacks. The fact that my comment history is hidden has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

      You couldn’t back up what you said so I’m gonna have to assume you were talking out of your rear. Stay salty.

    • xanth18

      The ultimate is retardation… blocking those you disagree with. ROFL You’re a piece of work.

      *looks forward to being blocked too* Bring it on baby! Your QQing simply makes us stronger. DRIIIIIIIIIIIIINKING UP YOUR TEARS.

    • xanth18

      The ultimate in retardation… blocking those you disagree with. ROFL You’re a piece of work.

      *looks
      forward to being blocked too* Bring it on baby! Your QQing simply
      makes us stronger. DRIIIIIIIIIIIIINKING UP YOUR TEARS.

    • John Lofwire

      Well as much as i dont agree with him to some point ppl have no life and argue until they start to be illogical.. i block them too to be truthful because i have better thing to do than argue with lil kid in mommy basement..

    • It’s Me

      You block them because you always look dumb when you try to respond when people correct your mistakes. Like now.

    • Anaron

      And the troll has spoken. You don’t even see the irony. Stay salty, too.

      I’ll take comfort in blocking you and getting the last say, neckbeard.

    • It’s Me

      Don’t worry too much about thereasoner. He’s a very bitter old man. As a bit of a backgrounder:
      -close to retirement but still stuck working night shift factory work.
      -Rob Ford campaigner. Honestly.
      -pretends his Filipino wife is black to defend himself from accusations of bigotry against African Americans.

      Generally, not the brightest or wisest. You’ll have to forgive his ignorance and attitude. Wouldn’t you be a bitter, resentful slug in his shoes?

    • thereasoner

      Lmao! WOW! This one must really hurt you this time for you to come up with that doozy!

      If you didn’t live your life vicariously through a company that only cares for your money then you wouldn’t be taking Apples (and yours apparently) troubles so hard. Better you than me kid. 🙂

      Absolutely freaking hilarious indeed !

    • It’s Me

      Doozy? Anything there inaccurate in any way whatsoever?

      Context matters. Understanding where you are coming from adds context to the value and relevance of your comments. You don’t agree?

    • thereasoner

      Watching you panic in desperation is a true pleasure. Clearly the tremendous amount of backlash Apple and you are getting over this has gotten the better of you.

      You were rather composed to start with but now you’re just spiraling out of control . I’d suggest that you step back and try and get a hold of yourself but this is just too much fun to watch so please continue your emotional breakdown… 🙂

    • It’s Me

      Well, thanks for confirming the accuracy of my comment. I strive for honesty and accuracy. Sorry if the “doozy” exposed you. I know you try to keep those less flattering aspects of yours on the DL 🙂

    • thereasoner

      Please, you aren’t even accurate with your lies as you can’t even keep those straight and when you use them to attack others because you’re having one of your emotional breakdowns it only serves to give me and others pleasure.

      Think about it kid, you actually believe that you can bother people by spreading BS about their anonomous online avatar, hilarious.! You truly are special, the short bus to school kind of special that is 🙂 .

    • It’s Me

      It’s cute that you can’t bring yourself to explicitly deny those ugly things about yourself.

      Aren’t you an old man still working night shifts at a Honda factory? Weren’t you a Rob Ford cheerleader? When you were called out for tagging on Obama because he’s black, didn’t you defend yourself by saying you were in a mixed marriage, implying your Filipino wife was black? Are any of those things untrue?

      All true. You forget you have an open posting history you’re so proud of.

      Don’t hide. Be a man and own who you are. You’re way too old to be ashamed of who you are.

    • thereasoner

      Lmao! Be a better troll, Lame.

    • It’s Me

      You’re right, the person I described is lame. Pathetic even. It’s awesome that you agree 😀

    • Docservlet!

      You should come back to bgr for your real discussion

    • Anaron

      I guess I would. I appreciate the info. I’ve already blocked him so he’ll soon be forgotten.

    • basesloadedwalk

      Doesn’t lose any credibility with me whatsoever. iphones are the beginners smartphone. The smart phone with training wheels if you will, designed for the same group of people that couldn’t program their VCR back in the 90’s. That’s why you’ll see an iphone in the hands of soccer moms and grandparents.

    • Anaron

      I don’t blame you for trying to feel superior to other people because of a smartphone. When your life is devoid of any real purpose, ambition and drive.. then it’s easy to look at all those pesky iPhone users. Those smartphone noobs.

      Meanwhile, I’ll enjoy using my iPhone 7 Plus just as I enjoyed making NANDroid back ups and flashing custom ROMs on my Nexus 5, OnePlus One and OnePlus 2.

      EDIT: Blocked you too.

    • basesloadedwalk

      Oh how original. You disagree with me so you resort to trying to ridicule and belittle me by attempting to tear me down. Yawn…very boring strategy. Try again.

    • xanth18

      He doesn’t have to “feel” superior… Android users just ARE superior. So get over yourself and your ego. 😉

    • Anaron

      Except they’re not. Nice try though.

    • John Lofwire

      Anaron how do you know he is devoid of any purpose ect in is life? you know him in real life?

      Keep it toward smartphone and dont get personal its wont get you anywhere sorry.

      Still i agree Android user are not superior than iOS user there is !diot on both side ( look at those Samsung Fanboy… they are as worst as iOS fanboy )

      Both OS have good and bad side but price wise Apple is a joke and durability wise as well as they make older iphone slow and that very bad ( as you cannot toggle it off to gain your speed back )

      I am all for customers having choice and Apple are removing and making those choice for you that is bad..

    • Anaron

      I was fighting fire with fire. I certainly don’t agree with everything Apple does. I’ve weighed the pros and cons and decided that for now, it’s good enough for me. More choice is almost always better for the consumer so we don’t disagree there. And fanboys of any kind are a joke.

    • It’s Me

      You’re a 50 year old cashier…think it’s safe to assume your life is devoid of meaning.

    • Domino67

      LOL….Your calling him out while putting him down at the same time?

      Sounds like perhaps your the one is devoid of any real purpose?

    • Anaron

      And another one to block. 🙂

    • Domino67

      Oh boy, please block me!

    • Docservlet!

      Hey Dom! Please come back to BGR for your dose of meds!!

    • It’s Me

      Whereas android are for geniuses like you? You’re right, your phone is the smartest thing about you 😀

    • Domino67

      If Android is good for Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos then it sure is good enough for the rest of us.

    • It’s Me

      Well, yeah, because it’s a great OS.

      But something those bright people have in common? Neither of them ever thought it was their smartphone that made them smart… or even a reflection of their intelligence.

      Anyone that would even suggest such a thing would be showing some pretty unfortunate insecurities. I mean, how dumb does someone have to be to think their phone makes them smart?

    • Domino67

      Hell if I know but a lot of apple phone fans seems to think having an apple phone makes them wealthy.

    • It’s Me

      I’ve never seen that, certainly not uniquely to iPhone buyers. Would be almost as stupid as thinking their phone makes them smart.

      But really not sure why you’d mention it. Doesn’t explain something thinking that using an android makes him smart.

    • John Lofwire

      Sorry Anaron but Apple security is not better than Android you just feel it is because you do not ear about the security hole.

      There was an identical hole than the faboulous stagefright hole in android for years on iOS from 1.0 to 9.0 and you only know about them when they are patched.

      you cannot use any third party security software on iOS as well.

      So that what i would call a false sense of security.

      On my old android device i can still use third party security software with 100% detection rate and feel secure.

    • It’s Me

      Seriously? Is that what your many years in electronics retailing taught you?

      I honestly hope you do not try to teach your customers from your deep knowledge. There is enough ignorance in the world that we don’t need you breeding it.

    • Mr Dog

      Because Older iPhone do not slow down.

      Batteries with a low state of health cause iPhone to slow down. If you have a brand new iPhone and crap battery, it will result in slow performance.

      Almost all OEM’s do this to some extent. But they don’t sell enough of their high margin phones for people to care or look into.

    • Paul Ted Williams

      That’s because Older iPhones are still fast !

  • thereasoner

    Makes me wonder what this does for Apples claim in chip speeds? Not that those benchmarks ever translated to regular everyday use anyways but now that they’re being throttled a year or so in…

    • Brad Fortin

      But since people like yourself argue that iPhone users will never see or use that performance this should make iPhones perform about the same as most Android phones, which are usually a few years behind in performance.

    • thereasoner

      I agree, they don’t see those benchmark scores translate into regular day to day use so actually they should perform worse, much worse over time. It’s no wonder people keep their Android phones longer than iPhone users do.

    • Brad Fortin

      The opposite is actually true: There are still plenty of people using iPhone 4’s (especially as hand-me-downs) while almost nobody is still using a Galaxy S or Nexus One, all of which came out in the same year.

    • thereasoner

      That’s not what OS adoption charts say, it’s older Androids still running in huge numbers. The iPhone 4?, Lol. My friends 5s battery swelled and busted it’s display, older Androids have a user friendly removable back/battery for easy battery swaps.

      Hey, but don’t let the facts get in the way of your fantasy, I know that you iPhone guys have been having a hard time of it lately 🙂

  • Croc Ography

    So in Canada in the winter all Apple phones are slow. Great…

    • John Lofwire

      a good solution is to not purchase iphone.

    • Brad Fortin

      Why would all phones be slow in the winter? Is your house/work not heated?

    • Croc Ography

      Unlike you and my iPhone I enjoy being outside in the winter?

    • Brad Fortin

      Don’t you dress warmly when you go outside?

  • Ftech

    Lmao another apple sales gimmick

  • jay

    Not sure what is better getting no updates (android) or updates that slow down my phone (Apple) so here is blackberry OS the winner.