Apple is working on a standalone AR headset, says report


  • Smanny

    If Apple is only going to work on an AR headset with its own separate rOS operating system. Then it will fail. The reason why I say it will fail is because AR alone is ignoring the potential of what VR brings to the table as well.

    Look at Microsofts HoloLens is really cool, but ridiculously expensive and it’s FOV was really poor. The other thing is VR brings another aspect that AR cannot even offer. I am not saying that AR isn’t any good. On the contrary AR is wonderful and really cool. But in other words MR or mixed reality would be much better than only supporting AR, and completely ignoring what VR can offer. Even Microsoft has released some MR headsets very recently. If anyone has actually used both VR and AR, then you would know what I have said is completely true.

    I am not sure that creating a separate OS is really needed either. Both Google and Microsoft support their existing platforms. They even add a means to help their users with specific VR applications. They even added programs that gives you a menu, and an easy interface to help users select and work with those VR/AR applications. Something like this would be easier to add to iOS. You can even add specific or different app stores, or even different categories to the existing app store. Google does that now with their Cardboard and Daydream apps. Samsung does the same with Gear VR and it’s Oculus apps.

    • It’s Me

      Yes, but you also thought that Google’s Tango was required to do AR and used it as justification for why Apple’s ARKit approach was flawed and doomed to fail. Then Google killed Tango as it was and moved much closer to Apple’s approach. Similarly, you thought AI was impossible without data farms. You aren’t exactly batting 1000 when it comes to understanding technology, Spammy.

      VR will have a place, but it will be niche. No one is likely to leave their home wearing a bucket on their head for the VR experience. And without that, even “mixed reality” is just AR.

    • Smanny

      Google never killed Tango. As a matter of fact Tango lives on in the trimmed down version of ARCore.

      Also I never said Google’s Tango was required to do any AR. Pokemon Go anyone? If you want any degree of accuracy when you are moving all around or you have poor lighting. Then you definitely need hardware. Which Tango could definitely deliver. This is what Tango was relying on more. Remember Tango didn’t use one camera, but multiple cameras, including a depth sensor camera, a infred camera, and a regular camera. Plus all the motion sensors.
      All this working together could give you a detailed point map of the world around you. Including all the colour information associated with every point location. If you only rely on regular cameras, then you cannot get the same degree of accuracy when it comes to measurements. Plus lighting can effect those measurements if you are only using regular cameras. But since you never used a Tango device, then you just like to splurt out false facts and misinformation all the time.

      Now when it comes to AI once again you like to make up crap and prove once again how ignorant you really are. I never said AI was impossible on a smartphone, but what i did say is what kind of AI, and the amount of data associated with processing needed for some AI results will definitely be limiting on a smartphone. That is why I used Google’s Photos as an example. The amount of data and knowledge graphs used to find a particular person in a photo graph or image takes a lot. Nevermind all the other things a user associates with a photo, like the time, and place, or some other things like other people or objects in those photos, including pets, or other animals, vehicles, and a entire host of inadamant objects, which Google’s Photos can pick out and users can then search for them. If there is a toy car in the picture then Google’s Photos knows. Where is all that data stored? How does it know about all those objects? The same is true for Google’s Lense. Where it can do a quick look up of a photo or image to get some information in regards to that image or photo. The amount of data needed to do those look ups is too big to go onto one phone.

      See when you say VR is a niche, that is where you so wrong, and once again you are proving to the world that you really don’t know what you are talking about. VR can do some things that AR simply just cannot do. The same is true for AR as well. Clearly you didn’t read what I wrote because MR is the best of both worlds. AR has its limitations. That is why Microsoft recently released an MR headset instead of another hololens. Because hololens had a poor FOV. Where as VR headsets have a great FOV and can use the entire display to not only put graphics any where they want. But if cameras are in front, then you can also overlay what the camera sees. So now you have a full VR headset with AR as well. Plus it’s in real 3D. Holding ones smartphone in front of you not only gets boring, but you get tired real fast as well. Not to mention it’s not in real 3D, like a headset which splits the display in two for both left and right eyes. So you can get better AR by using a headset, and your hands are free to interact with. Not to mention you also have VR as well. But if you can’t see how VR is better in some cases over AR, then you never really tried out VR, or you never saw a use case. But to say it’s a niche tells me once again that you really don’t know what you are talking about.

      Now if magic leap releases some lenses that have the full graphics in their videos. Then I can see this taking off, especially when you could put a small pair of lense covers over those magic leap lenses. Making them look like sunglasses, but in reality its making them into a VR headset as well. Then this really would be magic, because it has both worlds covered.

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    • Marshall Davidson

      Neither you of you know what you’re talking about. There is very little market demand for this stuff right now and hardly any compelling case to say its a necessity. For now its an amusement and entertaining nothing more. Writing a three paragraph post here to argue this seems a little too invested on your part.

    • Smanny

      First of all I am in this industry, and I have written both AR and VR apps. Sure right now the public hasn’t seen much when it comes to both AR and VR. But that doesn’t mean that people don’t have any interest. As a matter of fact, if the price and experience is compelling enough. Then it will see mass appeal. A little while ago VR was too pricey for the masses, but that has changed since it was first introduced. An AR headset is going to see the same things that VR headsets are going through right now. This is where you and others that do not have any experience in this field, will have a hard time seeing that an AR headset has to function just like a VR headset. Where as AR on a smartphone is a different thing to AR on a headset, because you only have a single view on a smartphone, where as an AR headset has two views for right and left eyes. Look at that, just like a VR headset. So the AR apps on an AR headset have to function more like a VR app and take into account the FOV as well. So the AR apps on a smartphone will NOT work on an AR headset, without being updated. If you cannot see that Marshall Davidson. Then you are the one here that doesn’t know what they are talking about.

  • It’s Me

    Currently, Apple refers to the aforementioned chip internally as ‘rOS’ or ‘reality operating system.’ Similarly to how macOS runs on Macs and watchOS runs on Apple Watches, the reported rOS will power Apple’s AR headset.

    It would be sort of strange that they are calling the chip “rOS” or any other “OS”. It’s a chip.

    Hope it doesn’t look anything like Snap.