Edward Snowden criticizes BlackBerry for its stance on privacy

The Cantech 2017 Investment Conference in Toronto featured an interview with American Edward Snowden, well-known for his role in exposing the scope of the National Security Agency’s global surveillance programs.

Over video conference, Snowden spoke with Round 13 Capital managing partner and The Disruptors co-host, Bruce Croxon, on a wide range of subjects, including what it means for the government to have access to private data on a mass scale, and the role corporations play in protecting their customers’ data.

“Ultimately, we’re not talking about privacy, we’re talking about the quality of society”

“The stipulation [is that] if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. What this is encouraging is to live a life in a vulnerable state. To expose yourself to the depredations of an outside group to scrutinize how you live, what you think, what your ideas are as long as what you do is okay by them,” said Snowden. “This misunderstands what rights are about and what privacy is about. Privacy isn’t about something to hide, it’s about something to protect.”

Snowden called out a number of companies, such as AT&T, for its role in helping the government obtain customer data in exchange for regulatory benefits. When asked about former Canadian tech giant BlackBerry by Croxon, Snowden called the company out for its public claims of security.

Last year, it was reported by Vice Canada that the RCMP has had backdoor access BBM since at least 2010, and decrypted more than one million messages.

Snowden claimed that while BlackBerry has tried to obscure its role in cooperating with government requests in North America, the company also cooperates in other markets, including India.

“India said ‘we’ll cut your market access unless you unlock these communications that we want for investigations that are going through your enterprise service, and BlackBerry says ‘okay’,” said Snowden. “They follow the AT&T model which is that the customer is not really the customer, the state is the customer. That’s the only person they really have to please.”

Snowden’s comments come shortly after BlackBerry’s signed partnership with Rudy Giuliani’s security consulting firm, Giuliani Partners, to use BlackBerry’s Secure platform in support of government and enterprise customers. Giuliani, recently named a cybersecurity advisor in the Trump administration, has been criticized for his own alleged lack of cybersecurity knowledge.

“They [BlackBerry] follow the AT&T model which is that the customer is not really the customer, the state is the customer”

The Waterloo company has also opened a Washington, DC-based security innovation centre, which BlackBerry CEO John Chen said will “serve as a hub for collaboration with key government customers and other expert partners.”

During the interview, Snowden contrasted BlackBerry’s approach with Apple’s stance on protecting its customers’ privacy, despite, as Snowden said, being accused by government officials of “helping terrorists” in the past, notably following the San Bernadino shooter, where the company refused to hand over data from one shooter’s iPhone.

“You can end up standing up for what is right, you have to trust that even if it is digital, if you take a principled stand that that will do more good not just for your bottom line or country, but for your society and future,” said Snowden.

Snowden had harsher words for BlackBerry on its cooperation with the government agencies: “This is why they’re going to be erased from the pages of history. Apple is a very successful company, particularly as they make this pivot toward enforcing quite publicly the privacy rights. Ultimately, we’re not talking about privacy, we’re talking about the quality of society.”

This post was originally published on BetaKit.

Image Credit: Ezra Chang

Comments

  • Shogun

    Snowden has hit the nail on the head and anyone thinking this joke company isn’t making concessions in places like India or Pakistan to keep their business going is out of touch.
    Given the recent stories of how the company has willingly and cheerfully cooperated with law enforcement in a number of cases is proof positive that their claims of being secure are total bullshjt. What’s hilarious is that fanboys often pointed to Snowden as their oracle on all matters of security in communications and here is tearingg them a new asshôle. Lol

    Quotes that stand out for me.

    “This is why they’re going to be erased from the pages of history. Apple is a very successful company, particularly as they make this pivot toward enforcing quite publicly the privacy rights. Ultimately, we’re not talking about privacy, we’re talking about the quality of society.”

    “The stipulation [is that] if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. What this is encouraging is to live a life in a vulnerable state. To expose yourself to the depredations of an outside group to scrutinize how you live, what you think, what your ideas are as long as what you do is okay by them,” said Snowden. “This misunderstands what rights are about and what privacy is about. Privacy isn’t about something to hide, it’s about something to protect.”

    Truer words have never been spoken

    • It’s Me

      Won’t matter in the slightest. With the demise of BB, they shift of the vast majority of users has been towards platforms that are geared toward data collection and data mining. How BB and Chen regard privacy doesn’t matter at all, especially considering most people willing or otherwise hand over the keys for free/low cost trinkets and baubles.

    • Shogun

      Of course it won’t matter because Blackberry itself doesn’t matter. We live in a world today, as you point out, where in order to get certain services for free one has to give something in return and so the idea of mining browsing habits and other online behaviour isn’t really that much of a stretch unless you have something to hide.
      No doubt select fanboys are going to say “but, but, but this doesn’t mean Chen is selling you out PER SE?” LMAO! The company is a joke and would sell their own mother for a sale.
      Its really high time BB was called out for the bullshjt and how they manipulate people into believing their garbage while they’re out there selling their customers down the river to law enforcement left, right and centre.

    • Chug that haterade

      BlackBerry doesn’t matter….. yet you’re here daily on BlackBerry articles. And Apple does the same thing… but of course you conveniently ignore that being the Apple shill you are.

    • Chug that haterade

      Figures you gobbled this up hook, line, and sinker…

    • Cowpoke Sal

      This ^^^

    • Chug that haterade

      From Lisa Jackson at Apple:

      “Thousands of times every month, we give governments information about Apple customers and devices, in response to warrants and other forms of legal process. 

      “We have a team that responds to those requests 24 hours a day.”

      She explained how strong encryption did not prevent the firm handing over useful data to government departments.

      She added: “Strong encryption does not eliminate Apple’s ability to give law enforcement meta-data or any of a number of other very useful categories of data.”

    • Denton

      You and your japanese shill just got schooled LOL!

    • Shogun

      Yeah you wish Denty. That clown Chug or Revolver have no idea what the hell they’re talking about. One is a fanboy who brags at every turn he’s a proud Passport user and the other has no skin in the game but just here because he styles himself some sort of ‘troll buster’ Both are goofs and dumb as a sack of hammers combined.

    • Chug that haterade

      Nothing like the passive aggressive indirect replies

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Ain’t the truth a b****….?

    • Chug that haterade

      The truth about Apple? Definitely

    • Rev0lver

      So of I’m a “troll buster” then you admit that you’re a troll…

      “Dog food stalls with the beefcake pantyhose”

    • Chug that haterade

      LMFAO

    • Cowpoke Sal

      A wise reply, Denton-San.
      Yakuza (or gokudo) are on life long path of seeking of knowledge for making greater the wisdom.
      As Tojo say; the head of the mantis turns with the sun but not with the moon; he learns by day and sleeps by night.
      We must all return to ‘school’, wise one, as the search for answer is eternal…

    • Chug that haterade

      Speaking of Pakistan… try this on for size:

      In last week’s blog post, Beard suggested that Pakistani authorities capitulated to BlackBerry’s resistance. “We are grateful to the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority and the Pakistani government for accepting BlackBerry’s position that we cannot provide the content of our customers’ BES traffic, nor will we provide access to our BES servers,” he wrote.

  • Magic18

    Just want BB needed… More publicity

  • hpt

    Err, Snowden, BlackBerry never has, and by design, never could have handed over anybody’s enterprise keys. But you’re right on the other accusations. BB has cooperated with government agencies on the BBM and possibly BIS fronts, and BB has always held up carriers and governments as more important customers than consumers.

    • Chug that haterade

      BlackBerry has publicly stated that they comply with valid requests from law enforcement agencies… this is no different than what Apple does… BlackBerry is just transparent about it…. Apple, on the other hand, states publicly that it is all for the privacy and security of its customers while it is funneling data to law enforcement agencies and governments behind the scenes…

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Evidence….? *crickets*

    • Chug that haterade

      Evidence of what?

    • Cowpoke Sal

      “Funneling data to law enforcement agencies and governments behind the scenes…”
      I’ll wait… *tumbleweeds AND crickets*

    • Chug that haterade

      Lisa….. Jackson…… WikiLeaks

  • Cowpoke Sal

    Lol…Lil’ Johnny Chen got owned by Snowden.

    “Serve as a hub for collaboration with key government customers and other expert partners.”
    If it looks like a snitch, sounds like a snitch and smells like a snitch, then…it’s a snitch.

    “This is why they’re going to be erased from the pages of history. Apple is a very successful company…”
    Well, this is something many of us have been saying for years much to the chagrin of the fanbois. I jus’ hope they’re getting the tissues and ointment in…

    • Chug that haterade

      Hahahahahahah Apple does the same exact thing so how is that crow tasting?

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Well, I’ll have a little taste when you’re done…if there’s any left that is.

    • Chug that haterade

      Riiiiiiight

    • @chugthathaterade:disqus I know these guys push your buttons, just be the bigger person and ignore them. They are getting from you exactly what they want, they want to bug you and not let you enjoy your reading. Seriously let MS deal with comments that are not allowed. They are allowed to have their own opinions right or wrong but poking them just stirs up the mud! Im on your side here been in your shoes 100 times. I only engage now in normal conversation where these is real back and forth conversation and information sharing happening.

    • Chug that haterade

      I agree and I have been for the most part letting MS deal with the nonsense … but I won’t shy away from replying to certain posters to correct the FUD that they like to spread.

    • Honestly not worth the effort in anyway!

    • Chug that haterade

      I’m not expecting to change said posters perception but to inform others of the correct information or an alternate viewpoint….

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Absolutely true.

    • Chug that haterade

      His comment is true…. certain sllort aren’t worth the effort.

    • TheCuddlyKoala

      I agree, just ignore them Chug!

    • kirfer

      Oh, yeah: I can see that happening.

      Poor guy’s already twitching over his keyboard, trying to restrain himself. Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu….. MOMMY!

    • Chug that haterade

      Naaaaw…. but keep flailing away

    • kirfer

      Bingo!

    • TheCuddlyKoala

      Greasy little sausage fingers, punching those tiny little keys…..

    • Cowpoke Sal

      ROTFLMAO!

    • Chug that haterade

      What does SallyMae typing on her iPhone have to do with anything?

    • Chug that haterade

      Naaaaw

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Yeah. Turn the other cheek.

    • TheCuddlyKoala

      So easy for normal people. Him, not so much.

    • Chug that haterade

      Normal people? Pffffft… “normal” people don’t comment on articles about a company they don’t like…. so please tell us all why you, Sals, and Kirfer are here?

    • TheCuddlyKoala

      He sure did.

  • Chug that haterade

    Snowden is a clown… BlackBerry doesn’t have the unique keys to its BES servers… their CUSTOMERS do. And BlackBerry handed over BBM messages as part of an RCMP investigation… who cares? Apple does this all the time… just Google “Lisa Jackson Apple WikiLeaks”…. here is an excerpt:

    “Thousands of times every month, we give governments information about Apple customers and devices, in response to warrants and other forms of legal process. 

    “We have a team that responds to those requests 24 hours a day.”

    She explained how strong encryption did not prevent the firm handing over useful data to government departments.

    She added: “Strong encryption does not eliminate Apple’s ability to give law enforcement meta-data or any of a number of other very useful categories of data.”

    • Brad Fortin

      “Someone said something nice about a company I don’t like, HE MUST BE A SHILL!”

      That’s an incredible leap of logic.

    • Chug that haterade

      No… I called him an Apple shill for the statement below as Apple funnels data to govts, and the WikiLeaks email from Lisa Jackson to Podesta confirms it.

      “During the interview, Snowden contrasted BlackBerry’s approach with Apple’s stance on protecting its customers’ privacy”

    • TheCuddlyKoala

      Is everyone who doesn’t like Blackberry an “Apple Shill”? Damn you’re pathetic.

    • Chug that haterade

      Naaaw…. but for him to advocate for Apple’s security while bashing BlackBerry makes him an Apple shill.

      Ps. I’m pathetic? Talk about pot calling the kettle black

    • Cowpoke Sal

      This ^^ ^^ (Two cats behind a wall)

    • Chug that haterade

      You lost?

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Are we not all ‘lost’ at one time or t’other betwixt the cradle and the grave…?

    • Chug that haterade

      Seems to be a trend with you…. this isn’t an Apple article

  • coxon

    With BIS don’t expect to keep all your secrets if the authorities come looking. With BES someone in your own IT department has to be helping the authorities. Way more secure than a consumer iPhone with encryption turned on.

    • Shogun

      Ever heard of Secure Enclave? I suggest you look it up. Your last sentence is specious at best.

  • Cowpoke Sal

    Heck! Folks keep pullin’ the rug from under that toupee-wearin’ clown’s feet; I almost feel sorry for the dude…

    • Chug that haterade

      You lost? This isn’t an Apple article…

  • BlackBerry needs to be clear about their devices. At rest these phones are solid vaults. The hardware the data sits on is designed propery. Just because you have a BlackBerry device does not mean you are all of a sudden ‘secure’ there are steps you must take to make communications on the device secure. BES uses security that is in the hands of the enterprise not BlackBerry, with that you can add BBMe and other ways of communicating that are secure based on today’s technology. Security is not something that is just magic and happens. You have to know what you are doing. Consumers need to stop thinking they are secure and start understanding if they are secure and why they are secure. Don’t just presume security, understand security!!

    Inform yourself people all Snowden said was already widely know for many years point out their weak spots but ignoring how solid other parts are. But with all advertising you have to take it with a grain of salt and realize they are trying to sell you something and they will try to make you safe and warm to do it. It’s called advertising and it would be a funny world if advertising had to be 100% honest LOL…

  • Well, criminals don’t have a right for security!
    Nothing beats BlackBerry smartphones, they are the best when it comes to security. Love my DTEK60 and Passport SE.

    • Slash82

      As much as I love to agree with you – but this makes all of us suspects. This isn’t the term of “a free world” when your government see ALL(!) of it’s people as “potential criminals”. Its about power and control and money – not that much about security.

    • Chug that haterade

      I don’t see how lawful access to a suspects data is invasion of privacy/security for all. It is no different than a search warrant to physically search your house for evidence… it is just a virtual seach through your online activities for evidence. If the cops get a seach warrant to search your house because they suspect you of a crime, they aren’t going to seach mine too (unless they feel I played a role in the crime)…

    • rick

      The problem lies with who’s determining who’s a suspect and for what. RCMP tracking terrorists…….ok, but what if you have a controversial political view that the current governing body wants to silence you on? Its a slippery slope. I don’t have an answer – simply its not as simple as even Snowden would like it to be. There’s very little black and white.

      Nor do I believe Apple is altruistic on this matter as they would like us to believe. So make a device that hasn’t been rooted or hacked, but work with lawful entities to provide access…….vs…….continue to create a device 9 generations later that can still be “jailbroken”. The second option seems like a way to get a bunch of free OS enhancements and features from an underground community and also a way to subversively allow lawful and unlawful individuals/entities to gain access to personal information.

      Just sayin

    • Chug that haterade

      I agree… but it is really no different than them getting a warrant to physically search your home and confiscate your stuff. If a governing body wants to silent you… they will do it… whether their actions are valid or not.

    • Slash82

      The thing here is, there is some difference between a “physical” or “virtuell” search. The physical one has to be done by man – it happens once or twice. The virtuell one is more like spying permanently – you gonna be tracked down with every move. Automatic systems permanently check, track and calculate the data. That’s a big difference between a search or being recored 24/7

    • Chug that haterade

      I agree but I think we are talking about two different things…but yes, I don’t agree with perpetual “monitoring” of the general public…. only those deemed as terrorists.

    • Only if you are really suspect, they can have a lawsuit against you. Not everybody is suspect! That’s what good governments do. Governments with bad manners aren’t supported by BlackBerry.

    • Tony Gritts

      All this hate towards BlackBerry but still I find it the most productive and efficient phone ever!! I love my Passport, my IPhone is a joke compared to my BB10 and as for Android way too many steps to do one thing. Some people just love to be heard.

  • Slash82

    BlackBerry isn’t the same company anymore since Mike Lazaridis was forced to leave. Costumers should keep in mind that John Chen and his board aren’t trustful. They are lying a lot, about BlackBerry, BlackBerry10, app support, privacy, future plans, their servers, backdoors etc. – sure, BlackBerry still is more secure than many other players. But I wouldn’t trust them anymore if I had a company with really important or ‘secret’ data e.g. data of prototypes of a car company etc. BlackBerry had rough years – but now their trust and strengstens are dying.

    • Chug that haterade

      What hasn’t BlackBerry been truthful about?

    • kirfer

      Who in their right mind would ask you, Dingle?

    • Chug that haterade

      I was asking him the question… gob… snipe… and all that

    • kirfer

      Do you still not get it, or are just pretending to be thick?

      Warrant = No option.

      If Lackbury actually had a decent number of customers I’m sure they’d be able to have “24/7” availability, but I guess the staff are busy on the NYC lemonade stand during business hours.

    • Chug that haterade

      Again… no different. BlackBerry complies with valid requests from law enforcement (ie warrants) just like Apple does…. the difference is BlackBerry is transparent about it.. Apple likes to say they value your privacy and security while they are busy pushing out a steady stream of data to the authorities. Do you still not get it or are you pretending to be thick?

    • kirfer

      Try again, Dingle. See the hint above! You know: that teensy-weensy little difference between the particular and the general.

      I know you can do it, big fella!

    • Chug that haterade

      Naaw… no need. No difference..

    • kirfer

      Let’s just underline this little gem from the brain-dead place known as Dinglesville

      Statement A: all Zomberry users are criminals
      Statement B: one particular Zomberry user is a criminal

      “No difference..” Outstanding, Dingle!

    • Chug that haterade

      Riiiiiight

    • TheCuddlyKoala

      Owned again…..

    • Chug that haterade

      Dream on…

      Ps. Shouldn’t you be upvoting your comment with your Jocko account?

  • Rimtu Kahn

    Down with Blackberry, go Apple go!

    • Chug that haterade

      Check out Lisa Jackson’s comments about Apple feeding govts information in the Podesta leaks….

    • Apple, it’s a dinosaur like BlackBerry was. Apples best times are over if they don’t innovate rapidly.

    • Brad Fortin

      The thing about innovation is that it takes time to become noticeable and most people suffer from innoveracy. Apple’s been innovating for years but most people haven’t noticed because they have no idea what innovation actually is and they keep confusing novelty with innovation.

    • Chug that haterade

      While I don’t disagree that there have been things that Apple has “innovated” over the years… quite frankly, nothing of note recently has been overtly innovative. Some of the technology in Airpods, yes.. but bluetooth headsets have been around for awhile.

    • Brad Fortin

      “but bluetooth headsets have been around for awhile.”

      This statement pretty much exemplifies my point about people having a hard time recognizing innovation. Innovation isn’t about doing something first, or even about doing something new, it’s about doing something useful. There’s a 2014 article on Asymco titled “Innoveracy: Misunderstanding Innovation” that goes over what I mean.

      For example, AirPods *are* innovative but not simply because they’re a Bluetooth headset. They’re innovative because of their ease of pairing (both to the initial device and to other devices), their lack of connectivity issues, their fantastic range, their great battery life, etc. Apple removed so much of the friction associated with Bluetooth headsets that most people don’t even think the AirPods use Bluetooth!

      Other examples of recent innovation include Apple’s custom silicon (A10, W1, their ISP, their storage controllers for SSDs, the timing controller for iMacs and iPads, etc), their various haptic motors and pressure-sensitive surfaces (iPhone, Watch, MacBook/Pro), form-fitting batteries (MacBook), multi-tone LED flash and Retina flash (iPhone, iPad), their HealthKit initiative, open-sourcing Swift, etc. There’s been plenty of innovations at Apple lately, most people just don’t know what to look for, how to recognize them.

    • rick

      Apple has not innovated since the App Store/iTunes. The iPhone and everything about it has been refinement. Further, innovation is usually noticed right away. This is why it’s often referred to as disruptive. It’s a game changer that turns things upside down.
      Small changes that aren’t noticed for a period are called refinement. Apple defines things. Other than the App Store and shaking up the music industry. That has been their openly innovation. Oh and perhaps their original licensing deal with at and t which had them retain total control of their device on someone else’s network. That to was new and an innovative approach.

      Innovative – tending to innovate, or introduce something new or different; characterized by innovation.

      Refinement – : to make improvement by introducing subtleties or distinctions. the improvement or clarification of something by the making of small changes.

    • Brad Fortin

      I’m not sure you understand innovation, especially given that your definition has multiple uses of the word it’s trying to define. There’s a 2014 article on Asymco titled “Innoveracy: Misunderstanding Innovation” that does a very good job of explaining innovation and innoveracy.

      Very few innovations are noticed right away. The iPhone, for example, was widely panned when it was first released, especially by those already in the industry (“The iPhone is nothing more than a luxury bauble” “The iPhone is nothing more than a temporary novelty that will eventually wear off” “Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone”), but now that a decade has gone by most people finally agree that the iPhone was truly innovative. Another example is Apple’s custom silicon, which has been in the works since their acquisition of PA Semi all the way back in 2008, but most critics didn’t see the value in the A4 chip, nor the A5 or the A6, or even the 64-bit A7 chip (“64-bit is a marketing gimmick” “There’s zero benefit a consumer gets from that” “The iPhone doesn’t even have more than 4 GB of RAM, how useless!”). It wasn’t until recently, especially with the A9 and A10 chips out-classing Intel’s entry-level mobile chips, that most people started taking Apple’s custom silicon efforts as a serious innovation.

    • Cowpoke Sal

      A pithy and erudite comment; thank you.

    • Jockohomo

      I actually wish the word “innovate” would be stricken from the language. No one seems to know what it means…

    • Brad Fortin

      I don’t think it should be stricken from the language. I think more people just need a dictionary, and possibly a thesaurus.

    • Jockohomo

      I’m not optimistic…

    • Chug that haterade

      It isn’t that people need a dictionary or thesaurus… it is the simple fact that innovation isn’t always apparent (ie the technology inside something) and it is somewhat subjective… as an example, you called out the AirPod connectivity as innovation.. and maybe it is to you but my Passport syncs effortlessly with my GM vehicle… so I personally don’t think the bluetooth connectivity is innovative

    • Brad Fortin

      It’s not just connecting to one device, though, it’s connecting to all devices signed into that Apple ID. So it’ll work with an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, Apple Watch, AppleTV, and Mac, and switch between them all, all without any hassle, no settings menu, no pairing codes, etc. I don’t think that’s something your Passport can do.

  • Art Broomes

    Snowden wanted a pardon,didn’t get one. Anyone believes he is happy living in Russia? FSB know’s when he goes to the washroom.

    • rick

      Who wouldn’t want a pardon? Who’s happy living in Russia? Yes as it does any high profile individual likely.

      I’m not sure what point you’re making though?

  • Roy RanaDeep

    hmm..It’s seem Snowden also concern about BlackBerry…nice. Hate it or like it BlackBerry best in all aspects.

    • Shogun

      Best in what? Nothing as far as I can tell.

    • kirfer

      Best at achieving the largest revenue shrinkage in the industry.
      Year after year.

      Red Dot Award for corporate shrinkage on the way… once Blackburied actually writes the appropriate cheque

    • Chug that haterade

      Do they also get a Red Dot Award for having an obsessed trio of “followers”?

      Ps. It is no doubt that Red Dot gets paid…. definitely explains why the iSwatch got a Red Dot award..

    • kirfer

      ps English please, Dingle…

    • Chug that haterade

      Have mommy help with the big words

    • kirfer

      Good idea: might prevent even more of these elementary errors emerging from your Choad.

      What ever happened to your wife, Dingle: wasn’t she going to be your English tutor this year?

    • Chug that haterade

      Aother montrosity

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Lol! Owned, Uncle Chuggy.

  • Denton

    Snowden? LMFAO……heres a Hacker that betrayed his country, criticized BlackBerry who lawfully assisted police in breaking a crime ring, then praises Apple who supported a terrorist, Now he lives in Russia…………

    Easy to see who’s side he is on.

    • Chug that haterade

      BINGO!!!!

    • Shogun

      What’s the matter Denty? Piss you off that one of the people you guys frequently pointed to in citing your arguments for privacy and security is now coming out and saying something that most have long suspected or known about Blackberry? lmao!
      If you honestly believe that this company has merely ‘lawfully’ given information to governments and law enforcement you are delusional. These guys were threatened with being kicked out of countries like India, Pakistan, Russia etc. and at the last minute they make a deal allowing them to continue operating you must think these government’s caved to this company. In point of fact its fair to say Blackberry has been giving back doors to government for years and when Apple refuses to hand over information in one particular case last year, you have Chen spouting off like some holier than thou guardian of privacy. Unreal…
      Fact is that this company is no better than the rest when it comes to privacy rights or security so if you really want to avoid being monitored or spied on you’re better off going off the grid as they say because Chen is no friend of yours or mine. Anyone believing otherwise is incredible naïve.

    • Denton

      Its quite obvious, I only have a vested interest in using BB phones
      You have a vested interest in shorting BB

      FUD = YOU….. FACT = ME

      I cant wait till Trump rips you WS crooks a new one

    • Shogun

      Yes, you have a vested interest in using a phone that you obviously force on your small employee base so that you can feel more ‘productive’ or ‘secure’ You are the prototypical example of the sheep that has been led to believe something for so long you can’t see past your nose when stories like this come up and the remarks you just made to me are your best defence. Unreal…

    • Denton

      Will be my 20th anniversary July 2017, I make decisions everyday based on Productivity and profitability, WHO ARE you to make judgement on me, when you lie and cheat your way….such a dishonest profession, HF computers supported by Shills to manipulate price….DIsgusting

    • Shogun

      Oh gee…You make decisions everday on productivity and profitability and yet I guess those who aren’t using a Blackberry aren’t huh? lol! Do you know how ridiculous you sound Denty? I mean you come off here like you’ve never moved beyond the year 2005 and are still clinging to outdated notions of what devices or technology makes a person more productive or efficient in 2017.
      Congrats on your 20th anniversary but its just too bad you’re mode of thinking hasn’t moved much in the same time span.

    • Denton

      Blackberry is and always will be a business phone…you dont like the features then dont buy it….I am a leader not a follower, maybe thats why I dont use an app launchers from Apple, I dont need to follow the crowd or look cool, I dont need to lie to gain profit…like I told you before, I make money the old fashion way………I EARN IT.

    • kirfer

      LOL!

      Champagne comedy, Denty! Thanks for the laughs.

    • Shogun

      I got news for you Denty. BB no longer has a monopoly in enterprise and that’s quite obvious to even the most casual observer walking around the business centres of a major city. The days have long gone where every second person was using one of these things. I don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to understand this. There is no such thing as a strictly business device anymore.

    • Rev0lver

      I got news for you Anton….

      Don’t believe everything that you read
      You get a parking violation and a maggot on your sleeve

    • Chug that haterade

      Riiiight…. yet you’re here gassing up every BlackBerry article

    • Cowpoke Sal

      ROTFLMAO.

    • Chug that haterade

      Why do you care that he uses a BlackBerry? Does the cost of it come out of your pocket? Does Apple dock you in pay if someone here buys a BlackBerry over an iPhone?

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Huh?

    • Chug that haterade

      He likely isn’t anything Wall Street… just some Joe with a computer and an E-Trade account. I’ve asked repeatedly for his business credentials and accomplishments yet only hear crickets chirping in response.

    • Rev0lver

      Baby’s in Reno with the vitamin D, got a couple of couches, sleep on the love seat.

    • Chug that haterade

      LMFAO beck he won’t respond directly to you..

    • Cowpoke Sal

      I beck he will.

    • Chug that haterade

      Google “Lisa Jackson Apple WikiLeaks”…. here is an excerpt:

      “Thousands of times every month, we give governments information about Apple customers and devices, in response to warrants and other forms of legal process. 

      “We have a team that responds to those requests 24 hours a day.”

      She explained how strong encryption did not prevent the firm handing over useful data to government departments.

      She added: “Strong encryption does not eliminate Apple’s ability to give law enforcement meta-data or any of a number of other very useful categories of data.”

      You were saying?

    • kirfer

      Do you know what a warrant is, Dingle?

    • Chug that haterade

      Yes… do you?

    • kirfer

      Then maybe stop whining and try to understand the consequence of that, and maybe (for another gold star) consider the difference between releasing the required (meta)data for a single customer and handing the keys over so that law enforcement can look at anything they want at any time.

      Capiche?

      Hint: this is not difficult!

    • Chug that haterade

      Riiiiiiiiiight. keep flailing and iPologizing

    • Jockohomo

      Do these people just want to live in a police state? Unbelievable.

    • Chug that haterade

      Just a swingin’…..

    • kirfer

      LOL! He’s definitely not on Blackburied’s side, that’s for sure.

      Good to hear someone high-profile else saying what some of us have been yammering on about for years now. The days of Blackburied being ahead on security are long past. Giving the RCMP untrammeled access to (the consumer) BBM was just the most prominent mis-step. Chen’s proclamations on security have illustrated just how tone-deaf and misinformed he is on this issue. Those still at the company who really do know something about security must have been clutching their faces in horror…

    • Chug that haterade

      Please again remind us how it isn’t any different than what Apple does… other than the fact that BlackBerry is transparent about it..

    • kirfer

      You’re seriously not this stupid, Dingle.

      Not even you…

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Er…

    • Chug that haterade

      So nothing…. gotcha

    • kirfer

      OK, maybe I overestimated your abilities…

      Impossible not to, it seems!

    • Chug that haterade

      So nothing…..

    • Denton

      Another website another owning…LOL you’re at least consistent Doc

    • kirfer

      The inability to cope with a simple argument among you three remaining Lackbury fangirls is astonishing. Do you know the difference between singular and plural, Denty?

      One steam engine. (That’s singular! Only one.)

      Two steam engines. (That’s plural!. Say it slowly now… “ploooooraaal”. More than one.)

      There you go, in terms you have a chance of understanding. Now perhaps try re-reading the thread about giving the RCMP the key to *all* messages, versus them getting the content of one particular user’s messages.

    • Denton

      What part of ASSIST lawful authorities did you not understand? Verses Apples stance of ASSIST terrorists? and everyone knows how Timmy likes backdoors.

      I see you added Shogy the Shill to your Aussie Dumbling Gang….well done!! congrats on recruiting another iPhone sociopathic loser… Hahahaha!

    • kirfer

      Still playing dumb then, Denty…

      Very, very convincing! Well done!

    • Denton

      Awwww poor Kirfy…bottom lip quivering ?

      Tell shogy to go “all in” on his short!

    • kirfer

      It’s your fantasy, Denty: you tell whoever you’re excited about exactly what it is that you’re excited about.

    • Denton

      Careful Kirfy…. i’ll send you an emoji and crash your iPhone….. Now you can tell Shogy go long Apple LOL!
      just another bug in a “comedy of errors” for Apple.

      When will it ever end?…….

    • kirfer

      Sorry, Denty: I don’t do paging.

      Come back when you finally purchase a smartphone.

    • Denton

      Ahh still can’t multitask? Yeah release those megalitres….i know it’s painful

    • kirfer

      Oh dear… you poor thing, still stuck in 2007…

      Crack that whip, Denty: your fires need stoking, and the serfs are slacking again!

    • Denton

      That was weaker than watered-down water LOL!

    • kirfer

      Keep trying to sell Lackbury on that move to 100% coal-fired steam, Denty!

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Watering down water with…wait for it…water? You are a wag, Denty!

    • Chug that haterade

      Are you going to let him know when you finally purchase one?

    • kirfer

      One of Blackburied’s glorified pagers? Sorry, Dingle (and Denty), not going to happen…

    • Chug that haterade

      Naaaw… too complex for you.. stick with soup cans and a string… with the Apple logo on them

    • Denton

      LMAO!

    • kirfer

      Oh, Denty, the shame! That nose of yours is so brown!

    • Chug that haterade

      Nothing like the brown on your nose… for obvious reasons

    • kirfer

      Nice one, Dingle!

      No really! That was amazing…

    • Cowpoke Sal

      I think I speak for almost everyone when I say that we are indeed very fortunate to have someone of Denty’s erudition and expertise to entertain and inform us with his cutting and witty ripostes, yes? Onya, Dents!

    • kirfer

      ’tis a rare and generous gift that he gives us all: his deep and penetrating analysis of the steam engine market, and its manifold applications to mobile technology, with particular emphasis on Blackburied’s search for alternative energy sources.

      Google has wind power, Apple’s gone with massive solar farms, and Blackburied is currently considering forming a subcommittee to investigate the possibility of forming a committee to consider a possible toe-in-the-water towards the steam age. All thanks to Denty and his not-so-merry band of serfs! The man’s a legend!

    • Chug that haterade

      Sounds like someone is bitter that he continues to get owned by Denton….

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Owned by Denton.? Puhleeeease.

    • kirfer

      LOL!

      Keep hope alive, Dingle!

    • Chug that haterade

      No need

    • kirfer

      Oh, yeah: Blackburied…

      Sorry, I forgot!

    • Chug that haterade

      I was referring to you

    • kirfer

      Too dim-witted…

    • Chug that haterade

      Wow… I would be that harsh in my feedback about you

    • Chug that haterade

      What about hydroelectric? They could definitely benefit if they could harness your megalitres..

    • kirfer

      Good idea! Megalitres might just be enough to look after Lackbury’s energy requirements now that they no longer have sufficient staff to handle their own OS or their own hardware.

      Maybe Denty can pitch steam power for Lackbury’s legendary lemonade stand in NYC? Toot toot!

    • Chug that haterade

      Maybe they can borrow the table that Apple isn’t in need of anymore (the actual table, not the iPhone 7 Plus).

    • kirfer

      Too dull…

    • Chug that haterade

      So no to the table?

    • Cowpoke Sal

      He doesn’t have to PLAY dumb…

    • Chug that haterade

      You doing it for me?

    • kirfer

      “Verses”: oh yeah, he’s plenty dumb all right…

      So poetic, our Denty!

    • Chug that haterade

      Aother montrosity?

    • Shogun

      One can only imagine how big of a dick you are to work for.

    • Chug that haterade

      Wow… the brown stuff must have already fallen off from the last singular versus plural lesson you gave.

      Ps. Whatever you need to tell yourself about the RCMP and access to a single app.

    • kirfer

      English please, Dingle

    • Chug that haterade

      Aother montrosity?

    • kirfer

      Too dull…

    • Chug that haterade

      How is that seat?

    • Denton … one particular yet major issues does NOT make BlackBerry obsolved. Funny enough the authorities did NOTHING to act on the information gathered as another series of bomings or deaths occured within 72HRS.

      Let’s say in a digital future where you bank, your SIN, your citizenship are all centralized – NOT unlike India has already done in 12mths well more advanced than the rest of the world (Bloomberg is your proof) and your HMO or Life Insurance is in danger affecting a lifestyle saving operation JUST because:
      Of what you eat (records from Airmiles datamining)
      Your aggressive nature (records from gym memberships and how long you work out daily/weekly)
      your medical records (doctors visist, screenings, etc)
      car accident history,
      tatoos (and which parlours deemed unfit or unsanitary by public outcry commentary, gotta love social media here),

      and your phone of choice you hold so dearly has information backdoors you’ve NOT authorized explicitly. THAT is the quality of life Snowden is specifically talking about. Having a military or police state like ancient Rome is not the society we should embrace.

      Just wait until Police drones, robots patrol the streets and your stress is monitored at office cameras, public CCT cameras (look at London UK you cannot go anywhere picking your nose without being seen), and anywhere else where you’re deemed out of control and the moment you crack a wise crack – just like the movie Elysium your arm is broken you need to report to parole or immediately arrested with numerous charges.

      there is always a fine line between these choices braving this new world and there will be major FAILS on either side of the choice/argument/rebuttal but truely … you’ll see in time the rigth to protect your privacy is the right of ALL people.

      Goverment, organizers are the failure at not seeing and “intelligence” in military for not seeing patterns that lead to such bombings and other political, faith and other terrorism.

    • The world he wants is wanted by a minority of people. People these days of all ages need to be told not to give their information out over the phone or online to strangers. People need to know not to trust “Too good to be true” deals because they can lose all their savings. People need to be told what to eat and when to stop to avoid illness.

      And yet, they still do it anyway. These people are the reason why others have so much control. They give it. To the ones that manage their lives without that needed assistance, you have to be ride along anyway because it will only get worse.

      The government didn’t invent laziness and ignorance, the people did.

    • Cowpoke Sal

      I think, with a little analysis, you’ll find that the outgoing president ‘betrayed his country’.
      Syria, Russia, China, North Korea, Libya…can I stop now?
      The world should thank the likes of Snowden, Manning and Assange for shining a light where others feared to look.
      Haliburton anyone…?

  • Shogun

    Truth hurt? Obviously

    • Chug that haterade

      Apparently because you keep avoiding my comments..

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Um…pot…kettle…?

  • It’s Me

    Which is of course, not at all the same as handing over messages. Meta-data is not the same as messages themselves. It’s silly to even pretend to confuse the two.

    Similarly, providing information about customers and devices isn’t the same as handing over access to those devices.

    • Chug that haterade

      And BlackBerry has never handed over access to a device

    • It’s Me

      Did they hand over messages and/or access to messages?

    • Chug that haterade

      Both? But access to BBM servers isn’t access to a device

    • It’s Me

      So, they have access to messages. You said Apple did they same. Not at all the same.

    • Chug that haterade

      The RCMP apparently had access to BBM messages… you don’t think Apple has provided access to text and iMessage data?

    • It’s Me

      Do you have evidence Apple did? Otherwise it’s just speculation and guesses and then taking your speculation and guesses and stating them as fact.

    • Chug that haterade

      I’m following the lead of a few other posters here that like to post speculation and guesses. As for any evidence, all I know is the information share by Lisa Jackson in the Podesta emails on WikiLeaks along with anecdotal information I’ve come across on the internet.

    • Cowpoke Sal

      The clue is in the name; ‘HATERade’.

    • Chug that haterade

      Hence why you’re here…

  • MartinJdub

    SNOWDEN – Gets a job at Mcdonalds, shocked that they serve burgers, turns vegan and is now an expert burgers.

    • Shogun

      It really bothers you doesn’t it? The guy was your hero when it came to security and privacy and now he’s an apostate. LMAO. The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

    • MartinJdub

      …If you’re referring to cutting into the irony with a plastic McDonalds knife, then yes.

    • Shogun

      The truth kills these people and that’s whats sad. They’ve been drinking the Kool-Aid for so long they can’t deal with the fact all they’ve been spoon fed is bunk.

    • Chug that haterade

      Hahahaahaha riiiiiight. Bunk like your claims about BlackBerry not updating the software on TCL BlackBerrys?

    • Cowpoke Sal

      TCL Blackberries? Oh, the shame…

    • Chug that haterade

      Naaaw….

    • Rev0lver

      Kill the headlights and put it in neutral
      Stock car flamin’ with a loser and the cruise control

    • Chug that haterade

      He apparently is now your hero because he said something negative about BlackBerry

  • joe

    F SNOWDEN !

  • So he gets on Blackberry and AT&T for doing something all companies do?. Apple still helps they just used that one incident as a free marketing stunt. Kinda like how the media is using Trump to create all sorts of click bait

    • Chug that haterade

      This ^^

  • TheCuddlyKoala

    Blackberry got owned.

    • Chug that haterade

      Naaaaaw…. it is obvious BlackBerry owns Snowden… why else would he bring them up?

    • kirfer

      Dingle Logic, 101!

      Outstanding work…

    • Chug that haterade

      But BlackBerry is irrelevant…….. isn’t that what you haters claim?

    • kirfer

      True, except that I’m not a hater.

      I love Cloacabury, Dingle!

    • Chug that haterade

      Riiiiiiight…..

    • kirfer

      Sorry to have to break it to you (again…). You’d think by now you’d be cognisant of such basic facts.

    • Chug that haterade

      Obsession by BlackBerry

    • kirfer

      Yes, Dingle: we know that… you use a Choad, for crying out loud!

      I’m obsessed with enjoying myself.

      (Cue (even) more snarling, gnashing of teeth, and an extra large helping of undiluted indignation.)

    • Chug that haterade

      Definitely normal to “enjoy” yourself typing one handed on a tech site…

    • kirfer

      Don’t be so hilariously afraid of not being normal, Dingle.

      Using a Choad is a country mile from normal!

    • Chug that haterade

      Using a cellphone isn’t normal? Since when?

    • kirfer

      Duh!

    • Chug that haterade

      So nothing? Gotcha

    • kirfer

      Too dull…

    • TheCuddlyKoala

      You should try a smartphone…

    • Chug that haterade

      Already own one… maybe you should

    • Cowpoke Sal

      Big time; that toupee ain’t big enough to hide under.

    • Chug that haterade

      But your bridge is… Shouldn’t you be under it?

  • 2112

    Hilarious!!!! Snowden commenting on releasing BBM messages while commending Apple for do the same?

    I hope they catch this guy and throw him in prison for the rest of his life

    • Shogun

      Oh but if he was coming out here cheering on this company you’d be saying the opposite wouldn’t ya? lmao! You guys are hypocrites. You pile on when someone speaks ill of Crapberry but give rave reviews if they come out and praise the outfit. Goes to show you have no credibility but at least Snowden does.