GM and Honda to mass-produce hydrogen fuel cells together


  • h2oflyer

    Does anyone realize how much hydrocarbon fuel is used in making any kind of vehicle.

    If you add up fuel used to transport raw materials to parts manufacturers, fuel used in transporting parts from as many as 300-400 different parts suppliers to each assembly plant, including fuel used in returning specialized parts containers to the parts suppliers, and then add the fuel used in getting the finished vehicle transported to it’s point of sale dealership, you’ve probably used more than a typical mid sized gasoline/diesel car would use in it’s 10 year life.

    Electric vehicles or fuel cells don’t solve the fuel problem, it’s a feel good answer.

    • Jason

      It’s all apart of the times. We have to find the happy middle to technology and price. Yes if you look end to end cars don’t have much green but look back 50 years ago. 12mpg V8 engines on 3 tonne steel frames, now we have engines that produce low emissions or no emissions so the engine its self makes a huge differences because it’s not adding to anything. Manufactures are using greener products as well, better paint, better recycling of unused parts, etc. You’re not wrong by saying cars are not prefect but we have made leaps and bounds in reducing as much CO2 as possible from start to finish.

    • h2oflyer

      Yes, I agree that engine efficiency has gotten better and that electric, hybrid and fuel cells are a step forward ; but my point is that the fuel burned to put any type of car on the dealers lot is huge. The transport industry has done a remarkable job in getting their fuel usage down and every town in the US rust belt and SW Ontario (even Mexico) wants an auto parts plant and that is good.

      Look at the millions of cars zipping around Los Angeles freeways on a given day and think about all the fuel burned to put each one there.

    • Tom A

      well you have to start somewhere. Converting people from gas to electric and making the electricity from green sources would be a large reduction of CO2 emissions.

    • h2oflyer

      A start is good , but the diesel fuel burned by the auto industry supply chain/vehicle delivery on the highways and the oceans won’t change.

  • Tom A

    they are out of touch, the technology to invest in is fast charging. I am sure you can push what Teslas superchargers have done even further, and as battery capacity increases electric will be a non-issue. The infrastructure is already there. Hard to see them convincing many gas stations to put in hydrogen refuelling as well without an extreme critical mass or cars on the road to justify it