Ontario unable to meet 2020 electric vehicle target, analysts say


  • Kal El

    I would love to purchase an electric vehicle but the only viable option for me would be the Tesla model 3. I only buy used vehicles so for me to buy a new car, the features would have to really intrigue me like Tesla does. If the government removes the max credit for the model 3, than I have no reason to adopt an electric car as of yet. I would find it ridiculous that the government would subsidize a luxury model more than an affordable model if they are looking to increase adoption of electric vehicles.

    • Rev0lver

      Where would you buy a Model 3 before 2020?

    • Kal El

      People who deposited early are getting them in 2018 no? Plus I’m sure 2019 we will see model 3 having much better production numbers.

    • Rev0lver

      No. Tesla will just keep pushing back the delivery dates. Tesla, the car company anyway, will be on life support or dead by 2019.

      But on the plus side I hear they finally added the radio to the Model 3. What a groundbreaking company…

    • Smanny

      So where are you getting that information. Are you pulling it out of your @$$?

    • Rev0lver

      It’s based on Tesla’s past deadlines and failed promises. Keep drinking the Elon-aid

    • Smanny

      Now who is drinking the koolaid. You only bring up Tesla. The only one you bring up. So what about, GM, Ford, Chrysler, Porsche, Volvo, BMW, Honda, Toyota, and many others that have already stated timelines and plans for their electric vehicles? Hmmm. Yet you based everything on Tesla, and only Tesla? Now who is the fool.

    • Rev0lver

      He was only talking about the Model 3 genius. Since you can’t understand that, I guess we’ve confirmed the identity of our fool..

  • scroogeguy

    The problem is that we have something called winter. In warmer climates AC is optional, and is also more efficient than heating. During a Canadian winter running the heater is mandatory. This significantly shortens the range of electric vehicles. In addition, charging and discharging at temperatures lower than recommended for batteries will also shorten their lifespan.

    These are just some of the reasons adoption are low compared to other areas. This is in addition to all of the regular reasons people struggle with choosing electric vehicles.

    • It decreases range, yes, but not significantly. And with most user going to have their vehicles plugged in charging overnight, you can preheat the car which means you don’t need to use your driving range to heat up a cold vehicle — its only maintaining, which is minimal heating.

      Cold weather takes it toll on conventional petrol engines just as much too —

    • scroogeguy

      That works well in the morning, sure. However, if your workplace doesn’t have charging areas you need to heat it up from scratch. As for gas engines having issues in cold weather as well, that is just false. An ICE will heat up to operating temperature within 1-2 mins (the full oil pan does take longer and that’s what your car temperature gauge actually measures). However, after that couple of minutes, it takes no additional fuel to heat your car, just the heat your engine is expelling anyways.

      On the other hand, batteries will remain cold unless you start drawing a high current from them, which you are unlikely to do in the winter.

      The bottom line is that for a great many Canadians electric vehicles are not practical with current technology. I am single and own one vehicle. I occasionally like to take day trips. I have never once considered an electric vehicle for this reason. If I’m driving 3-4 hours somewhere and then back later that day, I need to charge a bit. Not many parks in the middle of nowhere have plug-in stations. Nor would I want to wait around at a highway stop.

      If I were in a two family household, I would, of course, consider one. You have the electric vehicle for day to day commuting and gasoline for when I need longer ranges. That is until I consider individual cars. my most recent car was a MB c300. A model 3 would be comparable in price as well as quality and features. But do I want to fork down a few thousand to be put on a waiting list? Or would I want to settle for a Chevy Volt?

    • Les

      Yours is not the only use case, or even the most common. Ontario has an average of nearly two vehicles per household.

    • Brad Fortin

      I’m not so sure about “significantly” shortening range. At the most my Leaf loses 15-20 km of range if I always warm up the cabin before I leave and I’m blasting the heat and heating every seat for the whole drive. On the other hand if I just warm up my seat and steering wheel while keeping the heat low or off I lose 5-10 km. That just means I have to charge it every 2-3 days instead of every 3-4 days.

  • Jason

    There’s only 3 cars that average person can afford and they are meh. The Chevy Bolt has been getting lackluster reviews, the Nissan Leaf is ok but boring and the Focus EV isn’t bad but again it doesn’t do anything special

  • Razvan Zamfir

    Just bought a Rav4. Would’ve loved to buy Hybrid(yes, i know not the same thing as full EV), but initial investment was not worth it.

  • Smanny

    “The chances of meeting it aren’t low, they’re zero,” auto industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers told The Canadian Press. “In the auto sector all roads lead to electric, it just happens to be that the road to serious acceptance of them is probably at least 2030 and more likely 2040, 2050.”

    That is BS, especially when GM, Ford, and Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, Volvo, Tesla and others will all arrive before 2025. Some even before 2025, and some are already here like Tesla. If the vast majority of Car manufacturers are on board, then they don’t not want to let the competition get ahead of them. So that Analyst Dennis needs his head examined when he said more likely around 2040, 2050. By 2050 I predict that the gas engine will be an antique by then, and will cost consumers much more money to operate a gas engine compared to an electric engine.

    • Rev0lver

      You’re joking right? Because you can’t be serious.

    • Smanny

      No I am not joking. Every Car manufacturer is making electric cars right now. Sure, not in great numbers, but some Car manufacturers have said that by 2025 that they will go 100% electric. So if they go 100% electric, then clearly those Car manufacturers will not be producing ANY combustion engine powered vehicles any more. For instance Volvo, has stated that it is going 100% electric well before 2030. GM announced that they will be reducing production of traditional vehicles to the point that by 2023, they will be producing more electric cars than traditional vehicles by that timeframe. Ford said by 2025, they will not only have a greater selection of electric cars, but fully autonomous vehicles by that time frame.

      Even more exotic car manufacturers like Porsche are making an all electric car called the Mission E and it will arrive by 2019. You can even preorder a Porsche electric car right now if you want.

      In the long run everyone knows that burning fossil fuels is one of the worst air polluters, and the major contributor to green house gasses. This has to change. Electric vehicle’s can help greatly in this area.

    • Rev0lver

      Maybe by 2100. If you think otherwise you’re completely deluded

    • Smanny

      Rev0lver and its_me since you think I am completely deluded. Plus I know both of you like to troll, and i shouldn’t feed the trolls like you guys. But if you any Insight on this matter, then please tell everyone what is wrong with what I posted. Oh, btw I got all the information and timelines from those car manufacturers postings, and other articles.

    • Rev0lver

      Well, for one, Volvo has said that they will “electrify” their entire lineup by 2030. That means anything from mild hybrid to full on electric, with the vast majority being hybrids.

      If you think a below single digit market share will grow to anywhere near majority in the next 15 years, I have a bridge to sell you.

    • Rick James

      Where are you getting your figures from to show that electric cars won’t be popular until 2100?

      These cars are getting cheaper to build because the batteries in them are getting cheaper. On top of that, the range factor is bring minimized. They have a 400km range electric car called the Bolt that you can buy on the market for $42k canadian, which although is a bit high can be offset by $14k in incentives. With gasoline prices hitting $1.25/L and low cost maintenance, and these cars are starting to make a lot of sense

    • Rev0lver

      I’m getting that from the fact that they currently have a marketshare that could be rounded down to zero so growth will have to be exponential, which is virtually impossible. Add to the fact that electric cars aren’t competitive with gasoline cars, even with their ridiculous incentives and you have a recipe for very slow growth.

    • Rick James

      Your think current electric car market share won’t increase? You might have a case if not for the fact that Tesla has half a million pre orders on the books for Tesla model 3s. Chevrolet has been selling record numbers of bolts compared to the normal electric car sales. In Canada I hear you can’t even find one on the lot.

    • Rev0lver

      You mean the model 3 with the pre-orders they can’t fill? The model 3 that they are still assembling by hand? That model 3 is completely irrelevant until they can produce it without defects on a mass scale.

  • Can’t Fix Stupid

    I’m sure Wynne can spend billions more to not get us to that target.

  • windsorsean

    The original article on this story seemed to completely miss the fact, although clearly stated, that EV sales are up 96% this year. That’s a huge increase by any standard. And if you look at just Ontario sales (not all of Canada), penetration is already over 1% and climbing. The real story here is that the Ontario incentives have indeed been working to encourage electric car sales. Whether or not they reach 5% by 2020, they have certainly increased sales to be much higher than they would have been otherwise.

    I’ve been driving an electric Nissan Leaf for going on 5 years now and we recently switched our other car (a minivan) to a plug-in Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid PHEV. It is certainly possible for many people to make the switch, it’s much easier and more viable (and more fun) than many people realize.