Microsoft announces the Windows 10-powered Lumia 650


  • Brent Slade

    Who’s calling it the last Lumia ever produced?

    • MassDeduction

      Because rumour has it the next device will be the Surface Phone. 😀

    • Jeff Brassard

      Daniel Rubino at Windows Central is the main source for the last Lumia rumor. But given how well plugged in he is at Microsoft he’s probably right.

  • birdman_36

    The last Lumia ever produced before Microsoft releases the Surface Phone. 🙂

  • ConcernedCIT

    Another lacklustre Lumia – just what the world has been clamouring for.

  • Jonah Emery


    • MassDeduction

      RIP the Lumia name? Because Windows phones are moving forward, just probably not under the Lumia name.

    • i see it as the end.

    • MassDeduction

      When Microsoft released the Surface, Windows had dropped below 2% marketshare in tablets. Now Windows is at 12% marketshare and climbing. Never underestimate the ability of a truly market disrupting device’s ability to move the needle.

    • I hope. Nice new picture by the way.

  • St. Misery

    I used a lumia for a week while my moto x was out for repair, the lack of apps and the horrid browser made for a challenging experience.

    • MassDeduction

      Which version of the OS? WP 8.0? WP 8.1? Windows 10 Mobile? It’s steadily improved (Windows 10 Mobile has moved away from Internet Explorer and is now on the Microsoft Edge engine too). The browser is far better than my experience with Safari on iOS.

    • St. Misery

      I started off with windows 10 insider slow ring, and it was so buggy I had to use the lumia recovery tool to go back to 8.1 denim. While it was much more stable the lack of apps was painful coming from android.

    • only painfull if you are missing an app you use. The apps i use are on my phone. I dont need the ones i dont use.

  • gwydionjhr

    An OLED screen on a $200 device. I really hope we see that make it to North America!

    • MassDeduction

      Now confirmed for Cricket in the U.S.

  • Omar


    • hoo dat


  • gommer strike

    Something to remember with this device:

    A lot of you talk about the “app gap”. But the funny thing is, that’s *kinda the point*. This is a lower-powered device. It isn’t meant to be all things to all people. It’s great to do a more limited set of things and functions.

    In terms of productivity, doing your Word, Excel, Outlook etc? It does the job. You can do…some…social media stuff sure, but it make sense that this is marketed as a “work phone” not a “play time” phone.

    Just hope though, that they ironed out some of the bugs with Windows 10 mobile. That’s what kinda held back the higher-end Windows 10 Lumias – not the hardware, but the software.

    • Neil

      I agree with you. And not everyone wants “apps” on their smartphone. I use my BlackBerry Classic for e-mail, notes, tasks, calendar, social media (FB and Twitter) and take the occasional photo or use the browser to find something last minute. The phone more than meets my needs and I don’t want or need apps.

    • Agreed. That’s why I say there will always be the business market on one hand, and the consumer market on the other. Not unwise to make phones that are designed specifically for business users.

    • MassDeduction

      The most recent build of Windows 10 Mobile (build 107) is a huge step in that direction. It resolves most of the issues.

  • Brad Fortin

    So this Lumia 650 with a Snapdragon 212, which has a quad-core Cortex-A7, 1 GB of RAM, and a 720p screen, can run Windows 10 but the Surface RT with a Tegra 3, which has a faster quad-core Cortex-A9, 2 GB of RAM, and a 768p screen, can’t? Come on, Microsoft.

    • Marc Palumbo

      It can, but they won’t. The RT confused enough people as it is and it failed. There just aren’t enough ARM Windows tablets out there to care for. Better to leave them in the past.

    • MassDeduction

      And yet they’re releasing more ARM tablets, but now they’ll be running Windows 10 Mobile. It’s a shame they’re not offering an optional upgrade path to Windows 10 Mobile from Windows RT. I wouldn’t make it a recommended update, since people would gain some features and lose others, but offering it as an optional update (with the ability to roll back should they choose) would be nice.

    • Jeff Brassard

      Too much work for too little reward. Not enough of those Surface RT devices were sold to justify the huge amount of work it requires to get them to W10M. Sucks if you bought one, but given that they had to do a billion dollar write down on the device, not that many people did.

    • I got one. I used mine. Now if I had the money i would get the 950 xl and use continuum. erm should i say rt for phone??

    • robinottawa

      Agreed. This and other strategies convinced me to sell my favorite phone ever, the Lumia 1520, and give Android another try. It seems their decisions in the mobile section are always made by the people at head office and never consider me as a customer.

  • PreferredGeoff

    And in meaningful mobile news Lenovo is going to release an international version of the Lenovo Lemon running a snapdragon 615 for the same price as it tries to compete with the honor 5x at that same price point as the lumia 650. Must say naming a phone a lemon is a unfortunate choice of a name.

  • deltatux

    For that price, I rather get a Blackberry Leap… Seriously, Microsoft doesn’t know how to price their products.

    • MassDeduction

      I see the two as roughly comparable, so it makes sense to me that they’d be similarly priced. Each has advantages over the other. The Blackberry Leap has more RAM, but Windows doesn’t need nearly as much RAM as BB10 does (especially if you’re going to be running Android apps too). The Lumia 650 is better in the camera department. The BB Leap is missing band 12 which is becoming a key band (especially if you’re on Rogers in the major provinces, or on Bellus in Northern Ontario, or if you use Roam Mobility or another T-Mobile-based option in the U.S…. seriously, you’re roaming with one hand tied behind your back if you’re on T-Mobile and don’t have band 12). Most new Lumias support band 12 so this probably will too, and the Leap missing it is a real buzzkill for some of us. BB10 is now a sunsetted OS due to BB’s transition to Android, whereas Windows 10 is still under development, and that’s worth note too.

    • robinottawa

      I did not know the 650 camera reviews were out. But I have seen some good results coming from (talented) BB users recently. Are you sure it’s a given that the 650 will be good? I was not pleased at all with the 1320 cam, whereas the 1520/930 was world leading.

    • MassDeduction

      Well, to a degree I’m going by specs. They both have 8MP rear cameras, but the Leap has only a 2MP front whereas the 650 has a 5MP front. So on that score the 650 is better. Lumias tend to punch above their weight due to superior software and (typically) better optics. I have a 1320 as well, and running the latest version of WP8.1 and using Lumia Camera, it was quite good, way better than with the stock camera app.

    • Jeff Brassard

      I think Microsoft has decided they are done losing money on devices. So they are basically charging what they cost to produce. Yeah it isn’t great but, what are you going to do? There is a reason they are severely pairing down their hardware offering. They want to leave space in the market for other companies to make Windows phones. If you undercut them at every turn, then why would a company like Alcatel even consider making a Windows device, let alone Samsung, HTC, Lenovo or whoever?

  • systemupdate

    Such crappy specs and a $200 USD for it? Microsoft have you recently checked what other companies are offering? Have you seen the Honor 5X? Wake up Microsoft. This is embarrassing.

    • Pigs Can Fly

      Honor 5X has nice hardware, but that device sells for over $400.

    • systemupdate

      Honor 5X is $200.

    • acb87

      so me a pone for that price point that blows this out the water and i mean a new phone not a old or used model

  • Pigs Can Fly

    For shi* and giggles I’d buy this to play with. An OLED display and a CPU equiv of a Cortex A7 for just over $200.

  • blzd

    Strictly hardware wise: not bad at all for $275 (CDN), though Moto G still offers more for less money ($200-250).

    Software wise: same story. Lack of development from major players and the apps that are there are rarely get updated and lack features available on the established platforms. No banking apps for instance, and anything advertised never has a WP option. One thing you’ll never hear is “download now on the Windows App Store”.

  • Howard Chu

    Now available for pre-order at Microsoft online store and priced at C$199 with free shipping!