Verizon CEO says they’re not coming to Canada, story was “way overblown”

Ian Hardy

September 2, 2013 4:43pm

Remember the fable about Verizon reportedly coming into Canada and getting special treatment from the government? Well, there was a hint of truth, but the saga has ended.

Back in June US-based Verizon wireless was potentially interested in acquiring newer carriers WIND Mobile or Mobilicity. Frank Shammo, Verizon CFO, confirmed the company was considering the idea and stated “we’re looking at the opportunity. This is just us dipping our toe in the water.”

Now, a few months later the company announced plans today to acquire Vodafone’s 45% stake in its business for $130 billion, plus officially passed on coming to the Great White North. According to a report by Bloomberg, Lowell McAdam, Verizon CEO, said the entire speculation of Verizon coming to Canada was “way overblown.”

Over the past number of weeks the Big 3 (Rogers, Bell, TELUS) carriers and the CWTA (Canadian Wirleess Telecommunications Association) have been informing Canadians of how detrimental it would be to let a foreign company potentially control Canadian wireless spectrum, plus that the loss of jobs “will have massive consequences for Canadians.”

Now we focus on possibly new entrant merger and the upcoming 700MHz spectrum auction in January 2014.

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  • canucks4life

    Good and stay out 🙂

    • Usama Malik

      I made an account just to dislike your comment.

    • Riley Freeman

      Lmaoooo. I’m liking your comment

    • d a

      Don’t dislike morons, ignore them.

    • No1B4Me

      The morons were the ones thinking prices would go down if Verizon arrived.

    • It’s Me

      The morons were those that thought they wouldn’t. Mostly uneducated carrier shills.

    • d a

      This is me ignoring the mor0n and agreeing with with you 😉

    • No1B4Me

      Sorry to burst your bubble but I work in the mining industry and I can afford a phone at current prices. No one is forcing you to have a mobile phone. It’s not like food or water that you do need. Where is the outrage about the $1000 price of a tv that costs $20 to make?

    • d a

      What the heck does anything you just wrote have to do with the topic? I think all that bad air is causing you issues. First of all, I can AFFORD 5 of any phones with the same bill. Does that mean I stop recognizing human garbage run companies? Oh, this is me saying TV’s are too expensive for what they cost to make. 1, I was waiting to post that WHEN IT WAS RELEVANT and 2, There IS a difference in that with cells you’re paying for the honor and privilege to use their lines, they’re not actually SELLING you anything. The lines are there already. Where I come from, we call that a racket.
      Hmm, I broke my own rule and responded, I’m out.

    • It’s Me

      I didn’t say uneducated employees, I said uneducated shills. Not all shill actually work for the company. Some do it out of some sense of loyalty.

    • Sanjay Kumar

      Cellphone is a necessity in today’s life.
      and Canada is not economized just on miners.
      Every consumer deserves to speak out their opinion upon it.
      competitions brings more choices for consumers and their affordability.

    • Anonymoose

      -and just because *you* can afford one doesn’t mean everyone can, or MORE IMPORTANTLY- that they aren’t still far overpriced.

      Why don’t cars in Canada cost 30% more than they do in the US? Oh wait they DID.. until the dollar parity meant it was cost-effective for you to go on vacation down there to buy one and bring it back. Then mysteriously domestic car prices began to drop..

      It’s people like you that think high prices are acceptable that perpetuate the problems we have.

    • Anonymoose

      Cellular providers know they have a captive market because the product is a SERVICE, not a commodity device available anywhere. Therefore they have no incentive to make the product more efficient or less expensive, because they’re never in fear of losing real market share. So you may say $70, 80 or 100 a month is acceptable but clearly it isn’t because it’s an exorbitant amount for the service that is actually being provided. Seriously, just look at the prices listed on the Verizon website, or O2 in the UK, DoCoMo in Japan or any modern western country. For the same level of services you’ll pay much more in Canada than any other developed country for no reason.

    • accord1999

      The morons were those who never checked Verizon’s prices in the USA or its financial statements and assumed that the world’s most profitable and highest margin wireless provider would be interested in becoming the #4 network in a small market.

    • d a

      Some people, like you just don’t get it, that doesn’t matter in the least. They don’t have to charge less. Prices of the big 3 (that look like 1) would have dropped just to keep customers from going.

    • It’s Me

      What does their US pricing have to do with us? Did you guys not pass basic geography? Tip: we aren’t in the US

    • accord1999

      It has to do with what Verizon’s strategy and business model. It’s a premium network, it’s not going to go to another country to compete as a discounter.

    • It’s Me

      They wouldn’t have been a premium network here for years. And during those years their US business would not be a model they could follow.

    • accord1999

      Which is why they’re not coming, they may never become a premium network in Canada so why go through such an effort.

    • It’s Me

      You have no idea why they aren’t coming. Likely it has more to do with the reported clause in the Vodafone deal that prohibits them from certain transactions, like foreign expansion, for a few years.

      But, had they come, looking at their US pricing to gauge their Canadian pricing on a less than regional network was for morons.

    • accord1999

      That clause was already in effect during the Vodafone partnership.

      Look I don’t disagree with you that Verizon can’t charge Verizon prices in Canada with a Wind network.

      What I have been saying all along is that Verizon’s pricing and business model is why it would have never come to Canada with a non-national network.

    • It’s Me

      How could you possibly know that either? If the clause was in effect before and this is known to you, why did the big 3 waste millions on their campaign? If Verizon wasn’t allowed to move to Canada and this was public knowledge weren’t the big 3 panicked irrationally?

    • Scazza

      Or the 130 Billion they had to pay (and take loan for) in order to make the buy out, I doubt their shareholders would be happy with another multi-billion purchase and startup needed to enter Canada, with no hope of seeing a profit for about 5 years.

    • It’s Me

      Very possible, but the Vodafone deal doesn’t make it more or less likely they’d see a profit any earlier. The $130 billion definitely might make other acquisitions tough to justify.

    • Who Needs Facts

      So I’m a bit confused now. Are the morons the ones that said that their US pricing was lower than ours or the ones that said it was higher than ours?

    • Scazza

      I’m sure their shareholders would LOVE the idea of being a discount carrier… I’m sure the WIND and Mobilicity business model will please them with their bankruptcy-and-deeking-to-be-bought-out strategy!

    • It’s Me

      Who said they’d be a discount carrier? Common sense say NO company could move in and immediately charge big 3 prices…unless the goal was to attract no customers at all.

    • Who Needs Facts

      Odd. Every analyst that I have read describes a would be Verizon entry exactly as a premium model.

      Is this your opinion or do you know something everyone else does not. Maybe link a source of something please?

    • Eric Houstoun

      links don’t go over well on this site because they have to be moderated and as such don’t get posted or get posted after the conversation has gone cold.

      I’m not sure if it was a sincere request or the more likely answer of it being just snark but either way it’s not really a viable solution on this website to support an arguement.

    • Who Needs Facts

      As the statement was exactly contrary to anything I have read I was asking for some sort of reference.

      I enjoying reading and talking about this and if there is something that I am missing I would like to know.

      On the other hand if someone is blowing smoke, it is good to know that as well.

    • It’s Me

      Share a link where a analyst suggested they would open with Rogers pricing immediately. Are are you making that up?

    • Eric Houstoun

      totally fair, I know I love to learn more about the issue as well. Just providing some insight as to why so much of these posts lack any reference since moderation basically ensures links don’t end up posted with any promptness (if at all)

    • It’s Me

      Not on analyst said they could go so immediately. Obviously that would be the long term goal and almost all analyst believed they would do so, none that I read thought that would be their initial strategy. You have links that say otherwise?

    • Who Needs Facts

      You know exactly what I am talking about. You are the epitome of a troll, not offering any substance to the debate, but only rebutting peoples opinions with personal jabs, or wishy washy wording that means nothing.

      I have wasted too many bits replying to you already.

    • It’s Me

      In other words, you’ve been caught making up “facts” and when called on it you run away. Then you have the nerve to call someone else a troll or a liar?

      Run away little boy, run away..

    • Who Needs Facts

      “According to a Moody’s report, “If Verizon or another company did invest in Canada, we doubt it would start by launching a price war, primarily because it would not have an established local network. Lacking the local cost structure to support a discount offering, a newcomer would have nothing to gain from a price war, as the existing companies could always go lower.”

      Search this site for Verizon price war.

      Sigh. Your like the screaming kid in the grocery store that wants attention. You have no idea what or why you are screaming but people are reacting so you are happy.

      “I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.” GBS.

    • It’s Me

      Moody’s only said they would launch with a price war. Find me the one that says they would charge the same prices as Rogers and Bell while running on the wind footprint.

      I’ve never claimed they’d run a discount band here, but there is no way they could have launched with Rogers pricing.

    • It’s Me

      That first sentence should have said “Moody’s only said they _wouldn’t_ launch a price war”

    • Jermally

      No one knows what premium carrier means on mobile syrup. The big 3 are premium but for some reason they are expected to beat out Wind prices. That is what Fido and Koodo are for.

    • Sukdis Knaatz

      In the first 2-3 years or so, they absolutely would have. Verizon can’t price themselves as high as Robelus, without having as big of a coverage. What would have happened after those initial years is anybody’s guess, but it couldn’t have gotten worse than it is now.

    • copolii

      No, the morons are the ones thinking the pig3 holding 94% of Canadian wireless spectrum has the slightest bloody chance of competition.

      Let’s keep in mind that most of the spectrum owned by these guys is actually hoarded and not used. They just buy it so no one else can.

    • accord1999

      Except they’re not, the vast majority of spectrum held by the Big 3 is used for the networks that they operate; Telus and Bell CDMA, HSPA and LTE, and Rogers GSM, HSPA and LTE.

      The only spectrum that could be considered under-used is the 2.5 GHz spectrum, which is not particularly valuable because of its poor range and lack of support from phones.

      The Big 3 spectrum holdings are comparable to the spectrum holdings of incumbents in other nations that operate networks of multiple generations.

    • Scazza

      So the Big3 holding 94% of the market = no competition, but the Big4 holding 99% of the market = competition? How about 6 national carriers? or 12? or 2? whats the magic number? Are you sure its 4? Are you sure its 4 with Verizon? One of the richest and most profitable corporations in the world?

    • hyperhyper

      While Wind is next in line after the Big 3(1), they don’t have the pockets to compete with them. If Verizon came in and was able to put in the cash, then we would have the Big 3(1) against Verizon and then we would have true competition (unless of course Verizon talked to the Big 3 and they decided to become the Big 4(1). When you have an oligarchy in the market and you bring in a disruptor (like Verizon) who can match them on $$$, there is going to be competition. We will then start seeing some value for the amount of cash we dish every month to these lazy pigs that claim to be world leaders but are really insulated and protected fat cats.

    • Peter

      In early 2000s telus was also just starting and didn’t have the pockets either. But they gradually built their client base on a sound business model. The new entrants have a poor business model. They are losing millions a month. Their only goal is to get as many consumers as possible to be bought out. But now that the big three aren’t allowed go buy them they are pretty much screwed. Unless they raise their prices.

    • Who Needs Facts

      Do you have a source for this statement or are you just making it up?

    • Peter

      False again. If you look at the reports for example, telus has one of the highest spectrum utilization rates in the world. In short they do a lot with a little. They don’t hoard spectrum. They build on it which is why speeds have increased so much recently and will only get better.

    • It’s Me

      Yeah, if we’re getting bent over, we want a Canadian company behind us!


    • GrimConch

      well yeah, that way I don’t have to pay withholding tax when they make me money

    • It’s Me

      The expensive anti-Verizon campaign was a waste I guess. Wonder how many employees are going to get axed to pay for those ads.

    • Super_Deluxe

      Lmao trust me no one will except for the customers. Expecting an “Ad Campaign Fee” on our bills very shortly.

    • It’s Me

      I wouldn’t be so sure. The carriers can either raise prices or cut expenses (i.e. staff). And they just hiked prices.

    • Super_Deluxe

      That’s my point. In this case, the fees are hidden 😉

    • Who Needs Facts

      Or it worked.

    • It’s Me

      What? Their propaganda campaign to convince the government to change policy worked? You really are digging now.

    • Anonymoose

      does George Cope sign your paychecks?

  • fmradio68

    Back to the Status quo. I was really hoping Verizon would come to Canada. Contrary to what some naysayers may believe, I really think there would have been more competition. Even more so in areas where there is a regional carrier.

    • Super_Deluxe

      Exactly, compare the plans in Manitoba and Saskatchewan to other provinces like Ontario and Alberta. That should be proof that there would be an impact if the carrier was big enough to take on the Big 3.

    • Brandon Roberts

      Not quite… With WIND (or Mobilicity, Public or some other company) getting one of the 700Mhz blocks, it’s very possible that they can roll out an LTE network like T-Mobile’s. They will also be able to finally support all of their customers on their network and fix their coverage issue.

      Good times ahead!

    • Alex

      Potential of the small guys pooling their monies (or borrowings) and then sharing the spectrum in a tower agreement?

      Thinking that could be good.

    • hyperhyper

      That would be nice.

    • MapleHoney

      What we need is not big company like Verizon, we need company that will stick out the hard time instead of looking for quick profit all the time.

      Company as big as Verizon will most likely stick knife at customers’ back just like now. Company that big has lots of responsibility for its shareholders to make huge fast profit.

    • Who Needs Facts

      In 2000 Telus did not have a customer east of Alberta. If they can do it, so can any of the other regionals and or crown corp utilities.

    • Jason Harder

      Telus also has tower sharing with the other big two

    • Who Needs Facts

      Yes, clearly they have made some good business decisions.

    • Who Needs Facts

      I would bet that we have not seen the last of Verizon. If they do not place a deposit down for the spectrum auction, then perhaps they have truly abandoned their plans but until then I would guess they are still in the mix.

  • Lukeiphone

    Well, atleast 3 year contracts are banned 🙂

    • No1B4Me

      There always was 2 yr contracts. 1, 2 and 3 year.

    • Igor Magun

      On which carrier? I know Telus hasn’t had the 1 or 2 year options for quite a while now, although even when they did the phones were priced quite absurdly.

    • No1B4Me

      I had that option a year and a half ago with Bell when I got my phone. I got a two year contract at the time.

    • Felix

      Telus has always had 1 and 2 years. When I got my first phone with Telus 4 years ago I went with 2 years

    • Igor Magun

      That was 4 years ago. When I was renewing early this year, it was 3-year or nothing.

    • JTon

      You may have glanced over the 1-2 year option because the hardware subsidy was terrible for those contract lengths. Something like, 50$ for 3-year $599 for 2-year

    • Rio

      videotron in quebec

    • Scazza

      The carriers all had 1 and 2 year contracts right up until last month, when it was changed to 2 and 0. However the prices were horrible for 1 and 2s.

    • It’s Me

      Yeah, but the 3 year was the only option that got us close to paying what the rest of the world does…albeit for an extra year, so they actually cost us much more, but that’s not important, right?

    • Thr1ve

      Yup, and we get to pay more per month for our 2 year contracts and more outright for smartphones because of that…

    • It’s Me

      Why not, we were already paying more than the rest of the world and had the extra year before.

    • Who Needs Facts

      You know this is false. Not even Geist or Anderson have the kahunas to lie this bad.

    • It’s Me

      100% true. Our ARPU was top of the world and we were blessed with paying that world leading arpu for 3 years. You know that. Why do you insist not just on lying but calling out well established facts a lies? Is it because they don’t agree with your rationalizations about how great we have it? Might be time to reevaluate your beliefs if they don’t agree with reality.

    • Who Needs Facts

      Lord why do I persist.

      The comment in the thread has to do with 2 or 3 year contracts and monthly payments. Not ARPU, where you would still be incorrect as even the flawed Merrill Lynch numbers show Japan tied with Canada.

      CBC, the governments own news outlet, published numbers today that show Verizon has a higher ARPU this year than Bell.

      ARPU is also only a measurement of subscriptions – countries where prepaid is the norm will have lower numbers and it has nothing to do with what the OP was talking about.

      Back to what he was talking about.

      The OECD numbers, which again do not take into account anything but monthly bills and reports the numbers in US dollars have Canada as 4th or 5th most expensive in the world depending on bucket.

      Not first. Not ever.

    • It’s Me

      Actually the OECD takes into account monthly plan prices, not monthly bills. If they used monthly bills it would be much closer to the reporter ARPU, because Canadians has special extras that raise the actual monthly bills.

      And if you are really claiming we’ve never had the highest monthly plans, please post links for a few years, lets say just 10, that cover average monthly plan rates for the top 20-30 developed countries so we can see where you are drawing your facts for such a bold statement.

    • Who Needs Facts

      How about you post a link or two? Your the one making the claims.

      ” we were already paying more than the rest of the world and had the extra year before.”

      Back it up with data, not quotes from Moore or Greist.

      Enjoy the last word.

    • It’s Me

      Thanks. Didn’t think you’d be able to back up your claims. Lots of hot air, very little substance.

      Did you help write the big 3 PR campaign?

  • No1B4Me

    Them coming here wasn’t going to change anything anyway. Just another company to pay for service. It’s not like they were going to be the discount carrier everyone thought they would be.

    • Sukdis Knaatz

      In the first few years, they would have been a much better choice, simply because they wouldn’t have had a decent enough footprint in Canada to price themselves at Robelus levels. During this time, their prices would have been better, and Big 3 would have been forced to match and compete.

      After the initial years, yes, Verizon would have likely started gouging as well, though, at the same time, bringing in an offering such as North American flat-rate plans, which Big 3 would have never been able to match.

      That’s how I see it, and I still say let Verizon in. Things can’t get any worse than they are currently, that’s for sure.

    • hyperhyper

      You hit the nail on the head. It would be good short term but not in the long term. I’m just sick of the big 3 and don’t mind seeing them hurt for their behaviour. Sure, it’s legal but it doesn’t mean it’s ethical.

      Now I know I’m going to upset the people who think that companies sole purpose is to make money and that they should 0 social responsibilities but these are the same people who would think it’s okay to dump toxic materials onto a playground if there was no law. They simply do not care about society and think money is the most important thing in the world. They fail to realize that there is such a thing called a happy medium where people can make money and be profitable (see Valve) without treating others like garbage but they will never understand.

  • Riley Freeman

    I personally think they used it as a pawn to finally buy out vodafone. Notice how he finally speaks up only after the buyout leaked. What was he doing for the last 2 months?

    • Davidyyz

      Agreed, and Verizon played it very well. No way the Big 3 would have spent all those ad dollars railing against Verizon if they didn’t feel their entry into the Canadian market was imminent.

    • copolii

      You and I paid for those ad dollars.

    • Alex

      I didn’t. WIND had no part in this comedy.

    • hyperhyper

      For those who trapped with the Big 3, they did. Those of us who are free of them paid for it through our tax dollars because the Government felt obligated to put up a few websites and make a few announcements to offset the stupidity and lies spouted by the big 3.

    • Sam Wiggans

      It wasn’t after it was leaked, it was once it was finalized.

    • MapleHoney

      Yes. We are the free ads that fall for these craps. Felt dumb huh?

      As a business man, I got to give it to Lowell McAdam. He just stand on the sideline watching us scream while he knew it all along that Canadian market is too small for his liking.

      Now I kind of hate American companies even more.

    • hyperhyper

      Want to know the sad part? Companies like Bell and Rogers, which are supposed to be world players, fell for the trick. It shows they have no clue on how the world works, who the players are and what the environment is like outside of their little sandbox called Canada. I’m guessing they are a bit of a laughing stock for falling for the bait. I think it was well played by Verizon – kudos to them for some old fashioned bluffing.

    • J-Ro

      As a CFO, he had to personally go over the finer details of this buyout. I would not really care what media was saying if I was busy getting 130 billion dollar loans approved from the bank.

      Lol are we so vain that we think the world revolves around our little internet forums?

  • Mr.CoolBerry

    Wished Version came to Canada so ‘Robelus’ would get a smaller part of the $$$ pie.

    I’m sick of their insane prices!

    • Travis

      But you’d welcome Verizon’s prices which would be the exact same? This is what I never understood. Wind and Mobilicy with an infusion of capital are your answers, not some US corporation that dwells the big 3 in size and has a premium brand to protect.

    • Sukdis Knaatz

      When the situation can’t get any worse, and has a chance of actually getting better (due to competition), then I would absolutely welcome ANYONE with my hands wide open.

      Why wouldn’t YOU?

    • Travis

      Superlatives should be avoided. Here’s how it could get worse: Verizon comes in, swallows up the 2 blocks and pushes out regional players like Videotron and MTS, who currently force the big 3 down in their regions. Verizon continues pricing as they do in the US and doesnt spend anything on improving the network because they dont need to as their customer base swelled substantially from so many people jumped ship simply to say ‘screw you’ to the big three.

      So yes, I wouldnt welcome anyone with open arms simply because they’re not the Big 3. I’d rather see the small guys currently battling to get the spectrum advantage and hopefully find additional investors, because they’ve shown they’re already willing to invest here.

    • Scazza

      We already made it better ourselves. 2 Yr contracts as an option, decent discounts on BYOD, All happened without a 4th carrier coming.

    • MapleHoney

      Everyone knows how huge Version is and it just mean the CEO has even bigger responsibility to his shareholders.

      I also won’t trust a company CEO who said “I am interested” two months ago then two months later said “way overblown”. Staying silent all along just to build up credit then stab at us in the back is not a company you want.

      Even if Version is coming 2 months later, I won’t be joining them now.

  • Tom Blinky

    Really overblown?

    Umm, are Bell and Telus going to stop being on strike now, at least? I’m sure all those people feel very good about missing work for something that wasn’t even happening…

  • Lavallois09

    Well, I get the small satisfaction of knowing that the big 3 just spent millions on advertising for nothing.

    They also got the chance to see that there is virtually no customer loyalty to them.

    They should keep this in mind as a lesson as to just how much customers they would lose should a new, foreign entrant roll in.

    • It’s Me

      They’ll just raise rates or layoff staff to pay for the media campaign.

  • Andrew P.


    Sad, but it would have taken years for Verizon to build out an independant network nation wide. IF they had done so, prices may or may not have dropped, but probably not to the vast degree people were hoping

    Interesting that this story breaks the same day that leaks indicate Verizon bought out Vodaphone.

    I think the competition would have been good, but at the same time (as I said earlier) it probably would have reduced prices only a few dollars/month. Not 10 or 20

    Humorous to see how the “Big 3” panicked over this rumor and put up such a big stink.

  • Rich

    Really need WIND to join the LTE game, not necessarily for the speeds, but rather to get more-so on the standard when it comes to phones. The lack of cross compatibility (taking my big 3 phone over to WIND) has really been detrimental for quite a few consumers.

    With that said, Nexus 4 really helped in that area :D.

    • Sweet

      Wind and the other new entrants are far better off spending their money on increasing their coverage and network service quality, than they are spending it on LTE. The main reason why more haven’t switched to Wind et al. is they don’t get a decent signal where they need it, not because they don’t offer LTE.

      BTW, Wind did test LTE service on their network back in 2011.

    • hyperhyper

      I second this. If Wind was on the same network platform as the big 3, then it comes down to service, price and coverage. While Wind does not have the extensive coverage the big 3 have, they certainly and most easily beat the big 3 out for the other 2. I’m sure there are service horror stories for Wind but I haven’t run into that yet and EVERYONE (not exaggerating either) I know talks about what a horrible experience it is to deal with the big 3.

  • d a

    Translation, somebody got paid off to make this go away.

    • motivotto

      Second translation: corporations like to make money, not lose it.

      Too bad, so sad. Let’s not make up more over-blown stories to scapegoat why Canada is not a failure but a result of what this country can afford.

    • d a

      Corporations in THIS country like to make money by colluding. Basically, these companies, in my opinion are run by criminals, plain and simple. I have more respect for bank robber than I do for these examples of human garbage. There is no competition and anyone who thinks there is with big companies is blind.

    • Travis

      People like you are the worst. Just shut up man. Your tin-foil hat nonsense is sickening. You know nothing about the industry, but cast BS claims against hundreds of thousands of people who work for those companies. To call them worse than bank robbers is a new low even for the mobile syrup tea party.

    • d a

      No, dlck head, If you knew how to read, you would have understood that I’m calling the execs of these companies filth. Clearly you’re too stupld to be one.

      I call the hundreds of thousands of minions that work there, victims of modern day slavery.

    • Travis

      Pure class. Resorting to name-calling and attacks must mean your baseless claims are entirely valid. Continue on Tea Partying.

    • d a

      Really, You throw stones and then act the victim when you get one back? “Shut up man” “tin-foil hat nonsense” is that a compliment? and the worst part is you misrepresent what I wrote and just to be more clear, on the street Shut up man and tin-foil hat nonsense would have gotten you a slap so spare me. You want to keep it classy then don’t throw stones, and don’t complain about the reaction when someone brings it DOWN to your level.

    • Travis

      nothing like getting ‘street advise’ from some message board tough guy who tosses around wild accusations based on nothing but a long-weekend hangover typed out rabidly on his computer in his mom’s basement.

    • d a

      Lol, but you’re not the tough guy insulting people you don’t know from behind the safety of his keyboard right? Grow up, and I do spell check occasionally also, it’s “advice” Hmmm one of us is in their mother’s basement, probably the one who doesn’t know the difference between advice and advise. It’s ok, I’m sure you won’t make that mistake ever again. lol

    • Scazza

      You are the “stupid” one to think that Canadian Carriers execs are evil. Every corporation is ran by a human being, whos sole job is to make the company profitable, and to keep the business going, so it can make MORE money! Its crazy, I know, but this isn’t a new concept, us humans have been doing it for years. If you think Verizon, or 3, or Tmobile, or Telefonica or anyone else isn’t out to make a buck, you are either too immature to understand business, or too stupid to be around money. Either way, do some research before you spout crap about people and call them stupid.

    • Scazza

      Even if Robellus got together, poured billions into some sort of “bribe”, they couldn’t afford to pay off Verizon, one of the biggest corporations in the world, whos monthly revenue trumps all of the Canadian carriers yearly earnings combined.

      You really aren’t too bright on this whole “business” thing. There’s this thing called shareholders… go read up and come back.

  • Morgan Freeman

    The greater disappointment is the fact that Bell, Rogers and Telus will continue to price fix without any kind of consequence. These corporations are criminal and they’re being protected by the Canadian government yet at the same time these i****s also prematurely slammed Verizon for getting ‘unfair treatment’.


    • Travis

      I’m certainly not on their side, but you need to tell me how they’re being protected by the Canadian government?! Is it the same Canadian government that was willing to bend the foreign rules for foreign investment for Wind while not extending the same advantageous rules to the Big 3? Was it the Canadian governments willingness to hold this spectrum and sell it on the cheaper to a foreign carrier with no strings attached? I think the facts of recent are contrarian to your absurdest claims.

    • d a

      LOL, nope, you’re clearly not on their side.

    • Scazza

      If he is wrong, you should reply with a correction, instead of looking stupid. You forget the last few weeks that same government also put out an ad campaign AGAINST the big3 and the CWTA, so please, again, if you have some sort of evidence, state it.

    • d a

      LOL, Nope, clearly you’re not on their side.

  • Sukdis Knaatz

    I just LOVE how Robelus thoroughly embarrassed themselves over, as it turns out, nothing.

    This also showed how little support they currently have from their own clients (and Canadians in general), who are ready to abandon them at the earliest opportunity, if they haven’t already, and from the government, who are simply tired of their sh*t.

    *clap* *clap*

    • accord1999

      So why haven’t they abandoned the Big 3 for Wind or Mobilicity?

      Canadians may hate the pricing of the Big 3 but end up staying with them for network coverage; similar to Verizon and its customers.

    • Sukdis Knaatz

      True, the coverage is much more expansive with Robelus, and it better be, since they have had decades to work on it.

      And to answer your question, many did abandon the Big 3 in favor of Wind, Mobilicity, and Public, though the numbers aren’t all that impressive, and, of course, all 3 companies have been or currently still are looking for buyers.

      Why more Canadians haven’t shown support? Perhaps a lot of them were simply uneducated about choice, since there barely was any for the longest time. I am hoping that Wind and Co., as well as Verizon, have woken up enough Canadians, who are now finally becoming much smarter consumers.

      Wind is still adding subscribers, as well as Public. I am not seeing much success in Mobilicity’s case, unfortunately. I am hoping for a steady growth from all of them, even if it is slow. Amongst my friends and colleagues, I am seeing an increasing number of people showing interest in new entrants (mostly Wind), and actually opening up lines with them. I like this trend!

      You can now go back to shilling for your master, Accord. I’ve read your posts on HoFo. I know where you allegiance lies.

    • accord1999

      Simply posting the truth may be unpopular to those Canadians who think they should be getting high-speed LTE data, with widespread national coverage and subsidized flagship phones at the same prices as people in city-states, but it doesn’t make me a shill.

      It just makes a realist.

    • Sukdis Knaatz

      Are you perfectly fine with the current situation here in Canada, and feel that there is nothing that could be done to improve it? Do you think that prices are fair, that the competition is intense, and that Robelus is not making obscene profits?

      Could you honestly answer “yes” to the above questions? Please let me know, and explain your reasoning. Thank you.

    • accord1999

      Well, do a comparison with other large, rich industrialized nations like the USA, Germany, France, Australia, etc. You’ll find that invariably for all the top 2 or 3 networks, their incumbents, are expensive if you want high-end data plans with flagship phones,

      If Canada has a problem, it’s not that its incumbents are expensive, which is practically true across the world, it’s that it doesn’t have a stronger discount network. This isn’t the fault of the incumbents, this would be due to Wind’s unwillingness to pony up the $3-4 billion upfront needed to acquire enough spectrum and build up enough network infrastructure to be a credible national network. Perhaps, it’s also the general tendency of Canadians (and North Americans in general) to want coverage outside of major cities even if they don’t really need it.

    • Sukdis Knaatz

      And you wouldn’t blame protectionism, unfair competitive practices, collusion, excessive lobbying, spectrum hoarding, dishonest advertising, mud-slinging campaigns, predatory pricing (Chatr), and, basically, a simple hate for anything that disrupts the coziness of the status quo?

      Better shift the blame onto the cash-strapped start-up, who is trying to make its way in one of the most competition-averse and unfriendly telecommunication environments in the world!

      But I guess none of this is evident, is it?

    • accord1999

      No, I blame the fact that Wind is under-capitalized; because all those things you listed happen everywhere else when a new entrant tries to enter a very capital-intensive and mature market.

      Ultimately, Wind fails because they don’t have the network and they don’t have the network because they were under-capitalized.

    • Jermally

      Wind might have had a lot odds against them but the same could be said to anyone going into a dominated territory to take over. Wind only has about 600k subscribers all over Canada and they set up in the most dense areas in Canada, hoping that everyone on forums like this complaining about price would switch. What really happened was people just want to vent.

      In the GTA it is very possible to get a good plan from Wind or even a good plan from the Big 3 if you know how to ask. It is even easy to get a plan from the little 3 or buy your phone out right and make your own plan.

      My question to you and anyone else willing to answer is, have you ever considered these options? and if you did, why didn’t it work? and if you didn’t why not?

  • John Miguel Lopes Vieira

    While I’d love to see more competition, and don’t exactly have an issue with foreign investors (but would prefer canadian owned and ran companies) I don’t want Verizon. Or At&T. I wouldn’t mind T-Mobile, but they’re german.

  • James

    wind should just buy mobilicity

  • Ryan Marshall

    Verizon has same chance of coming to Canada and you do of swimming to Cuba. zero %.

  • Ryan Marshall

    You think you big 3 will just sit back and wait for that to happen??. I’m certain they have a plan. Being pro-active is part of that plan.

    • Ryan Marshall

      Let the good times roll

  • accord1999

    So which new entrant really has an eye on the Canadian market? Softbank already spent its money on Sprint, Vodafone may be bought out by AT&T, while the other large European telecoms are in weak financial condition due to the struggling European economy.

  • tgpang

    And canadian mobile service happily stayed one of the most expensive on earth.

    • It’s Me

      “_The_” most expensive on earth.

      Fixed it for you 🙂

    • accord1999

      Check out Telstra’s price for 3GB of LTE data and a subsidized smartphone.

      Or T-Mobile Germany’s and Vodafone Germany’s LTE smartphone plans. You’ll find they’re not cheap.

    • Scazza

      Hush! You are getting in the way of his delusions!

    • Scazza

      Another fantastically uninformed comment from “It’s Me”! You could spend maybe 3 minutes on google to find out that even the US has more expensive carriers, let alone other 1st world nations. We are actually around the middle.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius

      I think “it’s Me” should move out of his parents basement and educate yourself. Like if you agree,

    • It’s Me

      Umm, just because you read it on the Internet doesn’t make it true. In fact we are no where near the middle, even of just the developed countries. We are consistently in the top 3 for ARPU. For 2011-2012 we were far and away number one with ARPU.

      The study you think you are referring to, that said we were in the middle, was put together by a company (Wall or Ward) that is stacked with former Be execs and looked at only 6 countries to claim we were in the middle.

      Don’t live in ignorance.

    • accord1999

      ARPU is only a measure of how much a user spends on cell phone service, it doesn’t normalize on the services purchased.

      It’s the equivalent of only using how much a person spends on gas per month to compare gas prices between countries.

    • It’s Me

      And that’s fine to recognize its only a measure of the average total each subscriber pays. But it sti means we pay much more. Sure hope we’re getting much more, but it doesn’t seem like it.

  • canuck07

    God saves us all

    • MapleHoney

      I blame Luongo.

  • Martini

    Ha! The Big 3 spent all that money on an anti-Verizon campaign for nothing.

  • Chad

    All those people who were counting on switching to Verizon must feel like total morons today. And that is because they are.

  • pvanb

    Rogers, Bell and Telus got punk’d.

  • nailrman

    I get along just well without a cellphone . If someone wants to talk to me bad enough they call me on my home land line. To make it even sweeter, I don’t have to be continuously bitching about costs! The easiest solution is to dump your yacking gadget that all the wireless companies have you mesmerized on. Just to rub it in a bit…I can use my phone every minute of the day with long distance at 4 cents a minute for only $19 bucks a month. Show me any plan that can match that price….lol

    • Alex

      Can you use the internet on this magical “land line” you speak of? It sounds interesting.

    • thedosbox

      Assuming he uses DSL, yes he can.

  • Umain Buckackus

    canucks4life is a Rogers/Bell/Telus employee

  • Dan J

    The big 3 have been monopolizing the idustry by buying out the little ones and I’ll go as far as saying they are price fixing… Why would they let another big player come in? 3 Big fish eat little fish all the time and thats ok, they are alowd and it’s considered “fair”… they wont let another big fish in there pond. Cause that would be unfair!

  • Alpine

    verizon probably were laughing their a*s off the whole time…lol at us poor canadians

  • ABCONMan

    Now maybe WIND and Mobilicity can join forces and be the 4th carrier that Harper is so desperate to have.

    Verizon wouldn’t have given better rates, which is really what people want.

  • riz

    Me too.. 🙁
    I was quite excited to see big3 sweat..

  • deltatux

    Why does everyone think that Verizon is/was the only foreign telco considering entering Canada through a WIND purchase? There have been word that other players have been looking as well. Probably because most Canadians have only heard of the American telcos…

    I’m still all for another company coming in to mix things up. I really wish someone like Vodafone, O2, Hutchinson (aka 3), Orange, Deutche Telekom and etc. come in (always did, never liked the idea of Verizon coming in), they know how to treat their customers and would likely help drive down prices.

    • thedosbox

      Spot on. Some people are so desperate for a lower cellphone bill they’ll willingly put up with a provider that has a worse customer service attitude than the incumbents – and that’s saying something.

  • MobileSerenityNow

    LOVING all these “experts” who knew all the insider information about Verizon definitely, absolutely, totally, for-sure coming to Canada, now trying to make it look like they know all of the reasons why Verizon isn’t coming up here and that they knew it all along. Priceless! How does your foot taste?

    As said before, the issue is not with Verizon coming up here at all, because we know the Big 3 don’t care about the competition itself. The issue was the loopholes potentially being exploited, the jobs that could have been lost and not replaced, the actionable comments from the peanut gallery here talking about things they don’t understand, throwing out big words like collusion, price-fixing. Completely ridiculous.

    Bring on the competition, for sure. But I say do it in a way that both benefits Canadians and keeps the industry healthy. You know, smart business.

    • Billy

      You sound like those ads by the Big3. And here I thought they spent all those money on the ads thinking that they knew something the average person doesn’t know. Go ask your boss how does his foot taste.

    • MobileSerenityNow

      LOL!! Nice one.

      Blah blah blah, go cry about it somewhere else.

    • Billy

      “It makes me angry that the government bla bla bla” Bill from Bell LOL

  • MapleHoney

    We are being treat like free ads for Verizon. Don’t know what is there to thank them. You may feel good being “used” but some don’t. It is not the first time American company used Canadians to build credit then silently walk away.

  • Yo Yo Ma

    I know a lot of people are taking comfort in the idea that the Big 3 spent all that money on an ad campaign, but think about it… this turned out to be the best case scenario.
    Scenario 1: Worst for Big 3… spend all the ad money, and govt ignores you. Verizon comes.
    Scenario 2: Bad for Big 3… spend all the ad money, and govt changes policies. Verizon still comes.
    Scenario 3: Good for Big 3… spend all the ad money… turns out Verizon isn’t coming anyways.

    The Big 3 spent millions of dollars.. but most people on these comment boards agree that millions of dollars is change to the Big 3. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t be talking about how big and greedy they are.

  • Jonathan G.

    I had a feeling people were taking this story to far. When a story is too good to be true it usually is!

  • Elan Ilizarov

    It’s okay! The big three played their hand! they showed all of Canada that they are not really competing with each other, that they are working together. And together are gouging Canadians with high prices. $20 off if you use ur own phones, internet sharing!
    wow, for a while there, they were getting desperate! too bad!

  • Wil LeBlanc

    I for one think this is sad news.. so Robellus can continue to rob us blind…

  • hoo dat

    What’s Mobilicity going to do now? The seemed to have hung their future on making a deal with Verizon. Yes I know they plan to reorganise their debt, but how are they going to get banks and other lenders interested in a company that is losing $20M-$30 per month?

  • Peter

    Something tells me the government knew this and capitalized by trying to appear like they are looking out for us. If they really care about competition they should look at the banks and gas stations. Anyone remember flaherty calling one of the big banks because their mortgage rates were too low? We are being played.

    • J-Ro

      The government has gave up on politics and now does magic. They will have us looking in one direction, while the magic is happening else where. In Ontario, we have had a minimum wage freeze for about 6 years now. That alone could help with cell phone bills and more.

  • Stu Pid

    Good, Canada doesn’t need another crappy carrier.

    • A. Avanzado

      At least there will be an additional competitor of the least crappiest carrier.

    • J-Ro

      That’s what Wind is for

  • Salinger

    In light of this news, Rogers just sent out a news release about their new monthly charge, the AVARF or Anti-Verizon Advertising Recovery Fee.

  • ScrewedCanadian

    We need Verizon or other cell companies to come to Canada. Robelus (Rogers-Bell-Telus) is ripping off Canadians. Do not stay out. We are OVER CHARGED for little services.

    I hope and I know many others are hoping that another company comes in and puts the big 3 in their place.

    (comments here could be jaded by those working for any of those companies – bottom line is the big 3 are ripping off Canadians)

    • accord1999

      If you feel Robelus are ripping you off, why don’t you go with Wind?

    • Matt

      I forgot that everyone in the country lives in Vancouver and Toronto. Thanks for reminding me.

    • accord1999

      And if ScrewedCanadian didn’t live in a major urban area, than a foreign telecom isn’t going to help either.

  • downhilldude

    Wish I was “way overblown” 🙂

  • Trina

    Eastlink has acquired a billion dollar loan, maybe the plan on being the fourth big player 😉

  • Trina

    Eastlink has acquired a billion dollar loan, maybe they plan on being the fourth big player 😉

  • J-Ro

    I am still blown away that a rumor was able to cause such a huge media craze. In China, they have made wide spread rumors punishable by jail time up to 3 years. For the sake of peoples hopes, we should do the same.