Sorry Quebecers, Nintendo doesn’t plan to sell the SNES Classic in your province

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  • Jon Duke

    Yeah, that’s a big fat lie. The law says “If it exists in french, you have to make it available”. So if it doesn’t exist in french, having the english version is fine. On top of that, they cold the NES classic in quebec so obviously, they are just making stuff up. Probably part of the strategy since they, once again, don’t have enough stock.

    The worst is that I bet most people will believe their bogus excuse and blame the government or the french speaking people. Bravo.

    EDIT: It’s even worst. The law only applies to NEW GENERATION consoles. Plus, the last line of the law says “If the game isn’t available in french, it can be sold in english”.

    • bigshynepo

      In before someone calls this a Nintendo Conspiracy perpetrated against the always-business-friendly province of Quebec…..

      …Oh Wait.

      Damn you guys are quick on these articles.

    • Jon Duke

      Did you read the law? Cause I did before I commented.

    • John Lofwire

      So tired of intolerance toward french speaking ppl by some unilingual english one.

    • bigshynepo

      Quebec is a hotbed of intolerance, merci beaucoup.

    • Jon Duke

      Sure it is. That’s probably why all those refugees are currently trying to enter ontario to have a better life.. oh wait.. they are trying to get in quebec…

      No one is more accepting than the Quebecois people. To the point where the quebec culture in 2017, is actually a bunch of cultures from around the world mixed into one. But I guess some people are still stuck in 1980.

    • bigshynepo

      You are something else.
      Apparently you forget your recent mosque shooting?
      How about your radicalized citizen who shot up parliament hill?
      How about the turbans-on-soccer-teams controversy?
      How about your whole province’s hate-on for English?

      We have a very francophone community just 20 minutes from my house, complete with French signage, French road signs and French history. Can you name one neighborhood with stop signs that have English larger than French in Quebec? I doubt it.

      Also, Alberta and BC both have far more diverse demographics than Quebec, google “demographics of ____” and compare the charts.

    • Jon Duke

      There isn’t a neighborhood with english larger than french. Not because of intolerence but because it’s the law.
      The mosque shooting was a terrible event. It was done by a very small amount of people.
      The second thing was done by 1 guy. Seems like you really enjoy judging millions of people based on a very small amount of people.
      I have no idea what the turban-on-soccer thing is but I am sure, it’s again a small number of people.
      For your english hate point, please refer to my other comments cause I don’t feel like typing it again. In summary, it’s bogus.

      I appologize for the francophone community that doesn’t like you. Idiots exist in every color and every culture. They do not represent everyone.

      Also, Alberta is the most separatist province in Canada so forget inclusion. I don’t know about BC. I don’t care. I never said we have more different people, I said the quebec culture is based on different people. Two different things completely.

    • Rev0lver

      Man, who put the merde in your conflakes?

    • Jon Duke

      No one. All I said was that the statement from nintendo was a lie and people started telling me quebec is bad for business and french people are intolerence. I can’t stay silent.

    • Rev0lver

      Meh. I’m from the east coast and people say all kinds of crap about us. Let the haters say what they want.

      As an aside, I was in Quebec a few weeks ago and found the people to be friendly, even to an Anglophone like me.

    • Jon Duke

      🙂 thanks man. You’re welcomed to my house anytime. We’ll have a beer!

    • Rev0lver

      Merci!

    • John Lofwire

      There is rottent fruit in all basket you cannot judge a whole community based on a few isolated cases.

    • John Lofwire

      You obviously never gone in some sector of Montreal like Westmont or downtown. Several place you cant get served in french. For me thats insulting. I am pretty sure I go in that french community and go in a restaurant and speak only english and I be served.

      In Montreal if you speak english you can easily be served in any restaurant but if you speak only french you find some in the sector I named that wont understand a word you say.

      We extensively lean english at all level of education now in Quebec do all level of education in the rest of canada have mandatory french course like we have mandatory english class?

      You obviously cannot see both side of the medal.

    • John Lofwire

      We are talking language not demographic we have more bilingual speaker in quebec than any provinces.

    • Inhocmark

      Actually a large chunk of the ones entering into Quebec are Haitian which is understandable considering their primary language and the strong community there. Of course they’re coming in elsewhere including Ontario and Manitoba But don’t let facts get in the way of your narrative. I do recall Lisee speaking about being welcoming and tolerant to all cultures and languages a few weeks back….uh no wait, he was talking of limiting immigration to french speakers only and drastically racheting up the protection provisions in Bill 101 which he has cutely called Bill 202. So if the Liberals fall in the next election, Quebec has that sort of enlightened accepting person in charge.

    • Jon Duke

      While that is true, I would like to remind you that the last time the PQ tried to push an anti-immigrante agenda, they we’re massively voted out of office. The province has more french than english people, yet the liberals won with a huge majority. That wasn’t only the english and immigrant votes, that was french quebecois telling the PQ to sit down with their bs.

      Currently, polls suggest the liberals will win again AND Lisée is currently the least popular amongs leader to be prime minister.

      See, even when French people vote the same as the rest, they still get told labeled as PQ and separatist. We’ve had the liberal partyfor like a decade and after 18 months of PQ playing their old cassette, we went back to PLQ to shut them off. What more do you want?

    • John Lofwire

      Liberal are crook but yeah pq need to tone down a bit.

      I agree with asking immigrant to learn french if they dont speak it but everything else I am against the pq.

    • Jon Duke

      I agree. Hopefully, we get better choices next time. Crooks are i****s… Starting to get old.

    • John Lofwire

      Primary language of Haitian is Creole which is a mix of english, Spanish and French.

      My wife is Haitian lol.
      Also those refugee are not refugee but illegal immigrant (to be a refugee you need to be in a real danger of death from war or natural catastrophe) which is not the case for those they are just afraid of trump and do not want to go back to Haiti. My wife wich is Haitian say they should be shipped back to Haiti..

      In usa what language you think they where speaking? French?

      Go look at number of how much Haitian comming to Quebec compared to others provinces..

      Lisee talked about limiting immigration to french speaker or the one ready to learn french.
      Nothing bad to learn the main language of where you are going to live its called respect.

      Stop spreading false info.

    • Wizpiggleton

      Education is taught in french as the language of instruction in Haiti. You’re wife may be Haitian but I don’t think she told you that part. Don’t talk about spreading false info when you’re going by what you didn’t actually look into.

    • John Lofwire

      Funny the two week I passed over there no one was understanding me in french.

      I also asked her and she was taught in créole not french its when she done university that its was in french.

      So I return the same to you dont talk if you do not know.

    • John Lofwire

      Take time to look at mainstream media from others province how they see and explain the Quebec ppl ect. No wonder many are brainwashed.

      Its what I call double standard. We protect minority when its useful to gain vote but not the others 😉

    • John Lofwire

      Care to explain your point of view?
      If I go live in Tokyo I will learn Japanese if I stay in Toronto I will speak english.

      If you dont want to learn the main language of the place you live well you have a serious lack of respect toward the ppl living there.

      I guess respect is a hard concept for some.

    • bigshynepo

      Do you work for the Quebec government or Nintendo’s distribution division? Are in you Corporate Law?

      Then your interpretation is just that. I am sure Nintendo would’ve loved the few million more people in Quebec to market the device too, just as they do with the Switch, 3DS, etc.

      The reason for why this isn’t shipping needs more clarity, but it most certainly has to do with the French Language requirements. Again, this is just my interpretation of the events vs. yours. Your ability to parse legislation doesn’t change the facts of the circumstance.

    • Jon Duke

      I agree. I am not in Corporate Law. That is true.

      I was commenting on the law specifically posted by MobileSyrup. I comment the articles I read (as in, I also read the source to be safe). If you do that, my interpretation of the law is the correct one. Now, if another law exists somewhere, sure, I could be wrong.

      To add to your questions, I do work in IT and we do have the exact same law when we buy software and when the software doesn’t exist in french, the OQLF is perfectly fine with it.

    • Ben

      If any of these 21 games has, at some point, been available in French somewhere in the world and is/are not included in French on the SNES classic console ; it cannot be sold in Quebec. I clearly remember playing Zelda : A link to the past in French when I was young, but probably given that no other country/province as a law/rule like this in place, Nintendo didn’t bother including any French translations of this game (or any other for which French was available at some point in the past 20-30 years)

    • Jon Duke

      You are missing the part where the law only applies to new gen consoles. Also, if the game was available in french at any point in time, who would (and should) have a copy? The makers… which is nintendo. Them not bothering to include it just confirms what I’m saying.

    • Jon Duke

      Just because I enjoy being right, I made a little bit of research (took me 5 minutes). On the NES Classic, they included Zelda 2 : The Adventure of Link. That game was also made in french for release in Europe with game code :NES-ZL-FRA.

      That game was in english in the NES classic and the NES classic was sold in Quebec with no problem.

      So.. .checkmate.

    • Ben

      Woah dude ; we are on the same page here. Nintendo is likely the culprit as they can’t be bothered adding the French version of whatever game is available in French or to translate the user guides or something as silly as that. I’d even venture and say that maybe they got caught for the NES Classic based on what you just said and decided not to bother for the Super NES with Quebec.

    • Jon Duke

      Haha sorry about that. If you read all the others, I seem to be the bad guy in the conversation so I guess I just assumed you we’re also arguing with me.

    • Rev0lver

      It’s likely considered a new console since Starfox 2 was previously unreleased.

    • Jon Duke

      Oh.. That’s actually a very good point. I didn’t think of that.

  • Inhocmark

    It would make zero sense for Nintendo to freeze out a market of that size unless somebody was giving them the impression that the SNES Mini was a new console and that they would be offside on the regulation. Not sure people should be pointing the fingers at Nintendo here when Quebec politicians, Liberal and PQ for a generation now have been attempting to appeal to the aging unilingual population with these mind boggling policies. The irony of it all is that despite all their attempts to eradicate the English language, both English and French has thrived in the younger generation.

    • Jon Duke

      It’s funny because you are doing EXACTLY what I said you would do in my previous post. I read the law before I commented. I also work in IT and I happen to have to buy software and the law is the exact same. If it’s available in french, you HAVE to buy it in french but if it doesn’t exist, he doesn’t exist.. point blank. Nintendo is lying.

    • John Lofwire

      Exactly.

      I guess inhocmark prefere to act like a intolerant instead of verifying the law..

    • Inhocmark

      Point out the intolerance? Quebec political policy is made in essence to win unilingual francophone voters. Essentially both parties from Levesque onward have made policies in an attempt to target votes in that group. Despite attempts by government over the last 40 years to completely kill off all language that is not French, Quebec has a well educated work force that is bi and sometimes trilingual. But hey, I’m the intolerant one right?

    • Jon Duke

      I can point out the intolerance in your initial comment easily: “The irony of it all is that despite all their attempts to eradicate the English language, both English and French has thrived in the younger generation.”

      The laws that are in place in quebec are there because around the province of quebec, you have english provinces and the us. No one wants to kill any language and you and I both know, English is far from being treatened. If no one does anything, French will die in Canada. You want an example, in real life, of how french dies if you don’t put laws to protect it? The supreme court judges are all anglophones, yet, Canada has 2 official languages. there are no laws forcing them to speak french so they don’t. Put your personal emotion on the matter aside, if no one was “forced” to speak french in Canada, would they?

    • bomi

      Well if no one wants to speak French why force it on us? If people don’t want to speak French then let it die naturally.

    • Jon Duke

      That’s the whole point of the matter my friend. People want to speak french. But if you have Walmart and McDonalds coming in from the US and hiring english only people, the french people who want to speak french won’t be able to, they will be FORCED to speak english. So, if it isn’t fair for force anglos to speak french, the other way around isn’t fair either. All the law does, is protect the people who want to speak french.

      The thing I don’t understand is that there is 8 provinces in Canada who’s only official language is english. There is one province who has both (NB) and one who only had French (QC). If you choose to live in the one that had french as the official language, why is it other people’s fault that you don’t want to speak french?

    • John Lofwire

      There is million of ppl who disagree with you in Quebec.

      Who said we want to force anything on you? There is 9 english province in canada just move to one of those and live 100% in english that fine and would be very welcome by me. We dont need intolerance and ppl who dont wana learn the language the majority speak in Quebec.

    • bomi

      I was merely commenting on how he said if no one was forced to speak French would they speak it at all. So if people don’t want to speak French then don’t force it on them.

      And plus, it’s the companies choice whether or not they want to spend the resources to make a French version. So don’t complain if the companies choose not to spend money on legalizing their products because of your laws. They made a business decision and simply decided Quebec is not a feasible market.

    • John Lofwire

      Just pointing out the laws in Quebec concerning video games.

      If a games only available in english it can be sold in Quebec.
      If the game as a french version available in another country they must provide thats version in Quebec.

      Simple is it not?

      They lied or received bad council from a lawyer thats dont know Quebec laws.
      End of the story.

    • Rev0lver

      Are you honestly implying that you know more about legal matters than Nintendo’s lawyers? So you’re a hypocrite and delusional?

    • Aliyah Page

      I would have to say that people from that province do not like outsiders. My niece who went to a french immersion school located outside of Quebec, went on a trip to Quebec and no one would talk to her in French only English even though she is fluent and capable of speaking French. Same thing happened in France where they wouldn’t speak french only English, if they knew it, or ignored her. So its not a matter of not learning it its a matter of their propensity to discriminate against outsiders.And yes you can tell the difference between Non Quebec, Quebec and France French when it is spoken..

    • John Lofwire

      Your comment make no sense at all.

      Its more the other way around they won’t speak to you in english that possible but won’t speak to you in french you literally make no sense and its a blatant lie.

    • Rev0lver

      Actually, there are 8 English provinces. New Brunswick is officially bilingual.

      Plus you’re saying that you don’t want intolerance in Quebec and literally in the same sentence you say you don’t want people who won’t learn French.

      You are demonstrating intolerance which you claim to be against. A bit hypocritical no?

    • Inhocmark

      I will put my personal emotion aside and speak to you of experience. My wife and I left Quebec 12 years ago now. My french is fine, she’s perfectly bilingual. Despite the fact she was underemployed in Quebec and well behind me in wages, she immediately found work here in Ontario on the strength of her perfect Quebecois french. Since then she has risen in the company and now makes more money than I do. Her language skills provide her company with openings within the Quebec market that some of her competitors can’t offer. My daughter will, by our choice be entering French Immersion in September as will many Ontario children whose parents view the second language as a distinct advantage for their children. Bill 101 may have been necessary at some point to ensure the protection of french in a predominantly english continent, but it’s archaic now. My point, if you had bothered to think about it before calling me intolerant was despite the intent of Bill 101 and the education articles in the Bill to codify French, the marketplace has spoken and even children educated in the French system with no access to english schools are coming out the other end bilingual or close enough. Quebec students also have the inherent advantage that their English is usually a lot stronger than Ontario students french. But yes. I’m intolerant. Nintendo is intolerant. The whole world is intolerant. Keep living in that bubble.

    • Jon Duke

      You are mixing things there. I appreciate the back story and I understand what you are saying. It’s true that my anglophone wife (who has a good french but isn’t fluid) would find work way more easily in Ontario.

      I appologize if saying you we’re intolerent was bothering you but your first comment ended with the statement “French tried to eradicate english” which is completely false. Sure, older generations tried to leave Canada but since the 90s, as you just pointed out, kids are bilingual. I don’t even remember when I learned english. So you flat out accusing a whole province of trying to eradicate another language is a bit pushing it. How do expect me to think you have a well balanced opinion after that?

      And, in none of my comments did I ever say Nintendo was intolerent. Ever. I said they are lying about the reasons they aren’t releasing in Quebec. That’s all I said. They are lying, they statement isn’t true.

    • Inhocmark

      Language aside, your point doesn’t make sense. Why would Nintendo purposely block out millions of consumers? I don’t think it’s about lying rather its more benign than that. Either it is as you say and the law should not apply to this product, which in that instance they have likely got some bad advice from someone or they have some other insight on the law you may not have and their lawyers have advised them that its not worth the potential trouble to sell in Quebec.

    • Jon Duke

      I think, if I give them the benefit of the doubt (but companies do lie. It’s call marketing), I’d say they probably got bad advice and we’re told to not bother. That’s a fair assumption. I’ll give that to you.

    • Stephen B Morris

      I just wanted to point out that the sources are two EB Games employees, not Nintendo employees. Nintendo’s official statement was really a non statement. Those sources may just be commenting on a rumour in their office. That being said if it is true, like everything else it all boils down to money. We all believe that this is a limited run so it’s not a stretch to say that Nintendo knows exactly how much they are going to make. Therefore they expect a certain amount of profit. Compliance with Quèbèc(sp?) law would require paying for localization of Starfox 2 and whatever the other game that they never released in Quèbèc for whatever reason. The costs of translating those two games probably cut into their profit margins a little too much. And if that is the case, maybe not launching there was the most cost effective solution vs making more and overestimating demand. Especially since those that really want it can go to Ontario, New Brunswick, Labrador, or any of the 4 US states that Quèbèc borders. It about money. It’s not personal. At least I don’t think it is. Because that would be stupid.

    • Jon Duke

      That’s interesting. If the sources are ebgames employees then all of my comments are void. I’ll myself out.

    • Stephen B Morris

      I did enjoy the debate though. I also learned something about a province that I’ve never visited before. Dialogue from different viewpoints is always appreciated.

    • Jon Duke

      I agree. Was a pretty good debate. IF you ever come by here, beer is on me.

    • John Lofwire

      Funny statistic show french language losing ground in Quebec. I want my birth language to be more than a tool for work.

      And if no one speak french anymore your wife language skill wont be useful anymore. Always two sides to a medal.

    • John Lofwire

      I live in Québec and I disagree completely with your assessment.

      We promote to be bilingual at all level of education’s as well as workplace.

      What we dont condone is ppl who refuse to learn french and french speaking who refuse to learn english.

      You drank too much english canadian media propaganda I guess and they do love Quebec bashing.

    • Inhocmark

      Actually Jon, I just made a comment that it just doesn’t make sense that Nintendo would not sell to a specific market and that somebody gave them the impression about the Quebec Law. Nowhere did I say if they were right or wrong in that assumption because as you so kindly pointed out, I did not go and read the law. I guess it’s just easier to go with the Nintendo is lying take. So have at it.

    • Jon Duke

      It’s not easier to go with nintendo lying. It’s easier to go with the truth. You just said you didn’t read the law. The law says: “If the game is available in french somewhere, sell it. If it’s not, sell it in english”. Now, read that sentence and read nintendo’s answer and tell me they aren’t lying.

  • FirstLine

    Nintendo sure knows to shoot itself in the foot continuously. ????

    • DownwithRobellus

      How though? It got sold out in 3 minutes so instead of spending thousands, if not, millions just to sell a few consoles in QC it would not have made financial sense for them.

    • FirstLine

      They go to great lenghts to make bad decisions. Like in-game voice on the Switch. Not selling SNES classic edition in Québec = insulting their customers/fans. They could fix it but they’ll take the lazy way out.

    • Rev0lver

      Quebec is a very minor market on the global level. Probably not worth their trouble.

      Everything Nintendo releases is perpetually sold out.

      I’m not sure if you know the meaning of “shooting yourself in the foot”….

    • FirstLine

      I’m not sure you got my message right. If Microsoft can sell their games in Québec. Nintendo can too. These are all poor excuses. Quebeckers also order from the same stores as everybody else in Canada.

    • Rev0lver

      Yeah. They can, but they likely looked at the business case of certifying the system for the Quebec marke and decided it wasn’t worth it.

    • Adderbox76

      Quebec is statistically irrelevant. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but if it makes you feel any better so is the rest of Canada.

      Even IF every single person in Quebec bought one, it would be 8 million consoles. That same 8 million would be sold to the 320 MILLION people below us in less than a day. Or to the 1.4 BILLION people in China in about an hour.

      Insulting Quebec consumers is meaningless because who cares? Those same products angry Quebecers boycott will be scooped up by Americans and Chinese within the hour.

      From a sheer population standpoint, Quebec (and Canada for that matter) doesn’t even register as an actual sales metric compared to the real markets.

  • stevedion

    I wonder if Amazon will honor this BS rule!

  • JD

    HA HA!

  • Martin Couture

    Don’t be mad at Nintendo for following the rules. Speak up to your deputy. Reach them on Facebook twitter call them send them emails. If no one tell them they don’t know it’s upsetting us.

    • fred

      No. The rules are fine. The problem is Nintendo. If they can make a French version for Europe, surely they can offer it in Canada too.

  • LeMuffin

    There’s is no requirement for it to be translated into “québécois French”. All it says is if it’s available in French elsewhere in the world it has to be available in French in Quebec. In other words, if no French version of Starfox 2 exists anywhere, its fine to sell it only in English. This article is factually wrong.

    • John Lofwire

      Another article that help quebec bashing

  • Adderbox76

    Well, Quebec is the reason I can’t get a full sized left-shift key on my keyboard. So…payback…I guess.

    • GoodBytes

      You buy US layout keyboards. In fact any laptop and keyboard can be ordered with US layout.

    • Adderbox76

      Not everyone likes to order their stuff online without being able to physically handle a demo in the store first. I can’t walk into Staples or Best Buy and walk out twenty minutes later with a new laptop with a US Keyboard. That’s a problem IMO since I live in Saskatchewan and I have no interest in typing in French.

    • GoodBytes

      Well, Dell and others have FREE return shipping for any reason, including you don’t like the shade of black. You just call Dell, and say you want to return it, and they’ll quickly e-mail you a return label, you just pack up the system in the box that you received the system with, print the label, stick with transparent tape over the old one, and call the appropriate mail carrier to come and pick it up, or drop it off at the mail center drop-off points. Then they’ll issue a full refund. Confirm this service before ordering, just in the case things change or the brand doesn’t offer this service.

    • crizz1066

      Never realised the crap you have to put up with from that
      French bit of Canada until recently. I really feel for you, met some on holiday
      and they were the nastiest people I’ve ever met. 2 different groups at 2 different
      times and they kept themselves to themselves, while the rest of us from around
      the globe all sat chatting away with each other having a great time….al in
      English 🙂

  • MoYeung

    Just drive down to Toronto to get one, done!

  • crizz1066

    GOOD – Wasn’t till I went to Cuba I realised there’s 2 kinds
    of Canadians, the one who say “Eh” the ones we like and the french
    ones. Surprise surprise it’s the French Canadians who insist on this distinction
    and it winds up all other nations. So now there are some Canadians I don’t like
    and guess what it’s the french lot.

    French cause problems where ever they go, such arrogance and hatred they have
    to speak English everywhere they go. I suppose that’s why we have a healthy
    living language and Franch is a dead and dying language.