Bell to begin offering data share plans with unlimited nationwide calling, matches TELUS’ $20 BYOD discount

Daniel Bader

August 6, 2013 11:33 am

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Two weeks ago, Bell went live with their new 2-year rate plan structure, offering various price plans in three categories: Voice, Voice and Data Lite, and Voice and Data Plus. Now, after having the opportunity to look at Rogers’ and TELUS’ shared data pricing structure, Canada’s third-largest provider has re-worked its rate plans to focus on shared data pools, increasing the upfront price of their Voice and Data Plus plans in the process.

According to an internal document, pricing will start at $70 for 250MB of shared data, but all plans will now come with unlimited nationwide calling, in addition to unlimited nationwide texting, voicemail and call display.

The next tier brings the price up to $80 for 500MB, $85 for 1GB, $105 for 3GB, $120 for 6GB and $140 for 10GB. Additional lines will cost $55, presumably only for high-end “Data Plus” devices like the Galaxy S4 and iPhone 5.

Bell has also altered its BYOD (Bring Your Own device) option, removing the once-standard 10% discount and discounting $20 off all 30-day term contracts. The total saved, if bringing your own device, is $480+tax, which is similar to the price of a subsidized smartphone, according to the carriers.

If this all sounds familiar, it’s because the arrangement is practically identical to TELUS’ SharePlus plans, though Bell still comes out cheaper by $10 for the 6GB plan and $15 for the 10GB plan. The rest of them, from 500MB to 3GB, are identical in price.

Rogers and Fido will be going live with their 2-year terms on August 9th and at this point looks to maintain its 10% BYOD discount. No word on when these Bell plans are going into effect, but we wouldn’t be surprised to see them roll out on August 9th, too.

(Thanks tipster!)

  • silver_arrow

    Oh look, were back to the old carriers, copying everyone and not being different at all

    • C-art-toon

      videotron is different!

    • C-art-toon

      Not a chance (me dis-je à moi même). They can grab a lot of new clients staying the same. :)

    • Me Ted

      If only they were in Ontario.

    • Super_Deluxe

      Now I feel like the Unlimited Nation Wide calling and 3GB data promo Rogers offered in Manitoba 2 months ago for $55 was a steal compared to this trash. I mean $70 for only 250MB?! I feel like it was a terrible idea changing the contract policy which resulted in this bs…

    • Matt Z10

      time to buy direct and keep the plan? You won’t be allowed to keep it if you try to upgrade. I’m sure of it!

    • hunkyleepickle

      +1 for this. Keep your current plans ppl, and just start buying a phone off contract, new or used, when you need one. I sincerely hope the unlocked device market explodes in this country. That is really our only advantage, almost total interoperability of networks

  • hypz

    Ice colddddddddddddd. Come on Verizon!!

  • Frank

    These prices should be a criminal offence (all the Big 3′s new price plans)

    • Guest

      That’s ridiculous. Nobody’s forcing anyone. Free market, free country

    • NotYouToo

      When did Canada get a free market for wireless? Hard to be a free market with so much regulation, especially when it has always favoured the large carriers.

    • Guest

      Don’t know what you’re suggesting but I’ll stand by my comments. Free country, don’t like it? Don’t be a customer.

    • kroms

      Free ? We’re are talking about Telus and mobile communications here are we not ?
      There is no Free. A mobile plan cost $ ,unless you can show me how I can get it without paying ?
      The Air your breath is free, you are free to walk outdoors, free to look up at the sky. Eat, drink, use your Phone,drive,smoke, ect.. that is all not Free. Living cost Money, there is no FREE Country!
      Also NotYouToo is correct. Choice would mean you have a choice of options if your not happy with that one you have.
      To suggest that if you don’t like it then do be a customer is exactly what is wrong with the Big 3. There is NO choice, You either Pay what they say ( all the same crap ) or you have no service.
      That is NOT a choice. People that are Jailed have more choices and rights then Canadians paying extraordinary Fees to get a Cell plan here in Canada.

    • Josh Brown

      So you are saying if you don’t like being gouged don’t have a cell phone?

    • Josh Brown

      It is not a “Free Market” if there is price fixing. Do you really think the Gas prices are not fixed either? How can all the Carrier be within a few dollars a month of each other yet bring in hundreds of millions of profit each quarter if they are playing fair?

  • TomsDisqusted

    The question is, if you phone in and negotiate a new plan, and then tell them that you want the BYOD option, will they pull the deal you just negotiated? In the past, that has been the case for me: the BYOD option (and tiered data plans) were only available if you took everything else at full list price.

    • silver_arrow

      When the code goes in to effect in december you will no longer be able to call into them and get a better plan

    • Mo

      Source?

    • TomsDisqusted

      Really? I always call in and I think I’m able to get good deals, but I would still welcome such a move – it would take some of the ‘game’ and a lot of the mistakes out of the whole thing.

      But I doubt what you are saying – they rely heavily on that system, e.g. to charge older people more and still be able to compete for younger, more tech savvy users.

    • hhero

      meehh not true

      you can always call lnr and deal a plan you really think they will shut down lnr with the new plans ?

  • ObstacleMan

    I seriously don’t get why more people don’t switch to Wind / Mobilicity. These prices are just insane even compared to big 3 prices from a few years ago.

    • Darren Lelievre

      availability and coverage are the reasons why.

    • ObstacleMan

      If you live outside of the coverage area than absolutely. Most of my experience has been in Ottawa, but even in durham area I find that my wind phone has coverage in more areas than my work phone with rogers.

      Heck, my house and a good chunk of my commute to work is a dead zone with Rogers

    • IceCreamGuy

      Yeah, but for the rest of Canada, coverage is marginal.

    • Deli

      AT BEST, marginal. No LTE as well.

    • hhero

      lte is overated

      i spend most of my time on 4g and its fine

      and most iphone user are still using 3g
      iphone 4s and iphone 5 ( mainly beacause the battery stinks on lte)

    • Deli

      It’s not overrated. 3G+ <21mps is way too slow (on any network). Only the Dual-channel HSPA+ provides decents speeds and ping. But I do understand most people don't even need more than EDGE to whatsapp. Hopefully, WIND gets to financial backing to bid on 700mhz.

      iphones do not exactly embody the pinnacle use of our current technology, but that's a different argument.

    • hhero

      you do know that 21mb and up is only in theory and that you are mostly around 5 to 15 mb

    • Deli

      Definitely only in theory. That’s why I said it’s way too slow. DC-HSPA and LTE are the only daily options for me.

    • maattp

      5 to 15 mbps is far from “way too slow”. Those speeds will easily stream 1080p video, what more do you need on your phone?

    • Deli

      at 5mbps, there will still be buffering and a long loading time. I prefer my HD streaming files loaded within 2-3 seconds of pressing on it.

    • deltatux

      “Fast” is a relative term, you don’t see people complaining about their home internet being slow even though LTE is faster than most people’s home Internet.

      Personally, 5 mbps is more than enough for me for my mobile needs, I can easily stream pretty much anything I want. Sure there’s a bit of waiting involved, but beats paying an arm/leg for it.

    • Liberal Phone Person

      not bad considering just under 3 years old and strapped for cash
      though. hopefully the new big3 pricing changes the latter as subs
      migrate.

    • Tobias

      Live and work in Hamilton and Coverage is really great all the way past Toronto and up past Wonderland. Poor coverage still in the Boonie areas.

    • Merags

      I live in TO, but my hometown is in Northern Ontario and I don’t want to be roaming and what not when I visit home for extended periods. If they covered my hometown I’d switch in a heartbeat.

    • ObstacleMan

      I don’t get this mentality. My parents live outside of a wind zone, so do my in-laws. And I go vacationing outside of wind zones in the summer fairly regularly, I also drive out of the city into non-covered areas (I live in Ottawa)

      How much do you think you would use your phone when traveling? I know I don’t use it enough to bring my monthly bill anywhere near what it would be on the big 3. When I’m at my parents or the in-laws I might use their phone, or I’ll just use mine. I have no qualms about picking up the phone when I’m roaming. At 20 cents a minute even if I make 100 minutes of roaming calls in a month I’m still way lower than I would be with another provider. The only thing I miss sometimes is mobile data. Because that’s too expensive for roaming. I never use wifi when in a home zone, but there are a lot of wifi hotspots out there and if you’re on vacation you probably have better things to do.

    • Matt

      That’s pretty much how I think buy not everyone thinks that way. Of course if I’m saving $30 a month on my plan and travel outside of my zone once every few months I don’t really care if I spend a few extra dollars in texts or voice. I simply don’t use data because data roaming is still ridiculously overpriced (probably because of what WIND has to pay to Rogers.)

      If the ability to use data those few times you’re away from home is worth paying an extra $20+ a month, every month for you then by all means go ahead. For me, someone who lives in Mississauga, travels to Toronto, Vaughan, Burlington and the USA once in a while I’m more than happy with WIND’s coverage.

    • Scotiaman1

      Thank you for your insight! You are right, if you pay 50.00 per month on Wind and bell’s same plan is about 85.00 so for a savings of 35.00 per month or 420.00 per year, I seriously dought most people would ever incur that much canada roaming. So the yearly savings would far out way any single month of roaming charges.

    • Deli

      Depends where you are. LTE, coverage is important to me as i consume aobut 12-15gb/month. My Bell shared business plan, $55/line suits me. Everyone has different needs. Also, I dislike picking up Wind/Mob versions of Galaxy phones as they are not as moddable as their T-mobile counterparts, therefore, a hassle. But the deal breaker is the very poor building penetration in Vancouver.

      The new plans, however, a total BS

    • hhero

      yeah but its business plans its not the same we are talking about regular plans and iam pretty sure the law doesn’t affect Buisiness plans

    • this guy

      it does. new small bus plans are a wreck

    • Deli

      It does. I checked out new ones on two year, OMG

    • Me Ted

      Actually Wind is $40/mth and Bell’s comparable plan is between $120 and $140. So in effect you’re saving more like $960 to $1200. Big difference.

    • Scotiaman1

      Thanks for the update!

    • Tobias

      My plan is $40 per month Unlimited calling anytime, Unlimited long distance and Unlimited data. I highly doubt anyone could afford a comparable plan from the big 3 with the kind of price mobile carriers charge for over usage of “daytime” calls and going “over your limit” on date. As far as I can tell none of the big 3 offer “unlimited usage”

      In turn I have to give up some speed on data. Call quality is always great however. Coverage area is constantly expanding and I rarely am in a position where I am not in a “wind” zone compared to 2 years ago when I first used them and it was TERRIBLE.

    • deltatux

      This, there’s a small section that I get no signal which i frequent minimum once a week and there are a few places where I don’t get signal but they are few and in between and honestly, 20 cents a minute isn’t horrible. I pay $40/month and it’s much better than paying $60+ for a plan that suits my needs. I probably only incur a max of $5 of roaming and that has only happened once or twice.

      People just think … oh “roaming is extra charge”, it is, but you need to look at the bigger picture. How often do you roam? If you roam, on average will it cost you more than a plan from the Big 3. No? Then why are you getting a plan from the Big 3?

      Personally, WIND’s network speeds I can completely live with, for me, I only use my data for streaming YouTube and WhatsApp which WIND’s speeds are pretty decent.

      WIND is great for when you live in the city or in one of the suburbs, it’s not meant for everyone but for those lucky to be able to get service, I don’t see why not jump on the WIND bandwagon.

      WIND does have lots of work ahead, but for those who rather save money and could honestly care less about LTE (I think it’s overrated and it does kill my battery faster), then WIND is a good alternative. I’ve been with WIND since 2012 and I’m quite happy with their service. I was with Mobilicity earlier and I think their service is fantastic. Unfortunately, their coverage is too small and doesn’t reach my new place so I switched. Both carriers, imo are very good alternatives given that you spend most of your time within the zone.

    • avikingdj

      I would have switched my three lines over in a heart beat a long time ago however I am in Winnipeg and I don’t have access to Wind.

    • hhero

      anyways you guys in winipeg get the best plans i know cause i compared them before

      60$ 5 gig nationwide with telus kinda hard to beat what we have on the east

    • spammenotdisqus

      That plan has disappeared. Winnipeg now has the exact same plans as everyone else. But MTS offers very good data rate plans! Texting, UNLIMITED manitoba data and 300mb Canada data, texting, evenings/weekends + 300min for $58.30/month

    • Waqqas Khokhar

      Not to mention that Wind and Mobilicity’s service, frankly, stinks.

    • ObstacleMan

      Most of what I hear about Mobi seems bad and when I tried them long ago it was pretty bad. But I’ve been with Wind since day 1 in Ottawa. I went through a few months where my house was really flakey as I was on the edge of the service zone. But It’s honestly been solid for a long time.. more so than my work phone with rogers in most of the areas I go.
      As I said in a response to someone else my house and most of my commute is a dead zone with Rogers. And I’m not in the middle of nowhere.

    • maattp

      I want to switch but I just can’t deal with the coverage. I often leave the city on the weekends so wind will be inconvenient. I’ll probably end up switching anyways to avoid this BS.

  • avikingdj

    BRUTAL.
    Bell was at least trying a couple weeks ago and now they realize they can get away with the bend them over the barrel so they have joined the party.

  • Waqqas Khokhar

    People should stop complaining. You wanted 2-year contracts and this the price you have to pay.

    • Scotiaman1

      Your are mistaken. Other regional carrier’s like Eastlink have switched to the 2 year tab model and price points have remained the same.
      The Big three are just greed personified!

    • ToniCipriani

      2-year contracts means total cost of ownership needs to go up?

      Excuse to raise prices if you ask me.

    • Waqqas Khokhar

      It’s not all about the device or the consumer. The network and the company needs to be maintained and developed. Canada didn’t go from GSM/CDMA to HSPA to LTE on minimal investment. Just because we pay, doesn’t mean we’re entitled to the same things as if we were paying much more.

    • skullan

      3 independent companies.
      3 different backgrounds.
      Different starting costs.

      Two of which share towers.

      Explain to me how 3 different companies would be charging the same exact price for the exact same packages and then defend that.

      Review the fact that one company just matched price points / value (or lack thereof) for this price point.

      Then review the definition of ‘Tacit Collusion’.

      Your argument of maintaining and developing a better network would have held water if there was variation in the price-points to match the independent startup costs.

      These new price points are clearly taking advantage of a period in which they can gouge even deeper, while holding a card that deflects the blame incorrectly at the Government for the Wireless code.

    • Waqqas Khokhar

      It’s really quite simple. The price wars have reached a state of equilibrium. They can’t afford to undercut one another further while raising prices mean customers will look elsewhere. Naturally, prices will settle at near identical levels.

    • Sweet

      Rogers Wireless just reported a profit margin of 49.2%. They can definitely afford to undercut.

    • Who Needs Facts

      Congratulations Waqqas. Unlike 99.9% of the others here you passed Economics 11.

    • accord1999

      They can be nearly identical even without collusion simply because they all have very similar costs and desired profit margins:

      -use the same type of equipment
      -sell the same types of phones
      -use the same spectrum
      -upgrade to newer technologies at the same rate
      -are similar in size
      -have similar coverage areas
      -have similar shareholders who expect ROI and dividends

      Honda and Toyota are fierce competitors, yet their Civics and Corollas end up being comparable in price, just like the Accord and Camry and the Odyssey and Sienna.

    • Who Needs Facts

      What is the definition for undercutting each others price until one is offering service below the point it costs to deliver? I come up with debt and bankruptcy – something Wind and Mobilicity are figuring out.

      On another note, please tell me why one company should or if fact be regulated as you would like, to offer a lower price than another?

    • skullan

      What’s the definition of providing the same exact plans, for the same exact price when two of the companies are sharing and building out one national network and the third is building out its own?

      Then explain how a company raises its prices to match the other companies.

      Then explain to me how what should be a $7 dollar increase turns out to be a $15 dollar.

      Finally, please point out where I say that only one company should be regulated. My statement is clear, it is not the new wireless code that appears to be driving the super high prices, it’s just “perfect” timing.

    • abc123

      ROLMFAO!

      You mean they raised prices to maintain network and company despite the fact that THEY MADE OVER 2 BILLION DOLLARS in profits last year? And that’s an understatement since I only checked the financials for Telus alone…

      Next your gonna tell me that it costs them more because Canada is second largest country (geographically) in the world?

    • Waqqas Khokhar

      And those profits are where the cash for expansion, enhancement and innovation comes from :)

    • Sweet

      Before they switched to 2-year contract pricing, they were making far more profit than they needed for expansion, enhancements and innovation.

    • abc123

      LOL!… now I know for sure you’re working for them.

      Innovation? Seriously?… the only innovation I see from them is the uncanny ability to milk their customers while making it look justified. Everything else from technology to ideas is borrowed from other companies.

      I would guess that only a very small portion of that 2billion goes towards expansion, enhancement, and ***VOMIT*** innovation. When they need the money, they just raise prices just enough so to cover the expense. Example? When they took over GM Place and named it Rogers Arena, price hikes happened shortly after.

    • Who Needs Facts

      abc123. Keep posting please. You are humorous as hell. Don’t have a freaking clue to what you are talking about but I love how once you get typing you just kind of say whatever nonsense pops into your head.

      I needed a smile so thanks.

    • Sweet

      I agree to a point. They do need some profit in order to finance future expansion and upgrades. However, IMO, they are already earning far more than necessary for that. The worldwide average profit margin for wireless carriers is around 33%. Canada’s Big 3 report profit margins of well over 40%, with Rogers recently reporting a profit margin of 49%. With a blended ARPU of $59.30/month, that means that it costs Rogers $30.12/month to operate and maintain their wireless service.

      My point is that before their recent switch to 2-year pricing, the Big 3 are making far more money than they need to finance expansions and upgrades to their services.

    • Who Needs Facts

      Sweet. Not sure what you do for a living..but do you get paid enough? If your boss says, ” We are having a good year, going to raise you pay 40%” please tell me your answer to your boss.

    • Samuel Gomez Recuero

      @Waqqas Can you then explain me then how the S3 on a 2 year contract already from Fido (aka rogers sibling) will go from 150 to 250 just because they will no longer offer the 3 year contract as of Friday? to me if the phone had already a price for a 2 year contract it should not be getting a upfront price hike. It is the same darn phone for crying out loud

    • Yo Yo Ma

      Except that the payback period on the device has been changed from 3 years to 2 years. When a company is faced with a situation where it must recover the same amount of subsidy in 33% less time… a company will either jack up monthly prices, reduce subsidies, or both, or just reduce margins.
      In the old world, 2 year prices were contingent on the fact that most people would buy a 3 year contract. Now nobody needs to buy a 3 year contract, so the business model must be shifted to a 2 year contract model. Hence the change in device and service pricing.

    • Samuel Gomez Recuero

      That still do not explain why the phone price will be jacked 100$ more when it was already advertised at 150 on a two year contract and now (if you believe what was posted) will be for 250 on the same 2 year contract term.

    • Yo Yo Ma

      I’m not sure if its a Regional pricing thing or not, but I checked Fido’s website this morning (around 10 a.m.), and again just now (3:45 p.m.), in Ontario… and found that its posted at $150 on select 2 year term. ($400 for other 2 year term).

      But say that they did increase it to $250, you’d have to understand their decision based on their historical sales of the S3, and other portfolios… on 2 years, and on 3 years.
      We don’t have enough information about their historical sales and forecasts based on 2 year models.

    • Samuel Gomez Recuero

      Not saying that they raised the priced already. It was stated here a few weeks ago that they will switch to the two year terms after august nine. in that document the S3 was 250.00. Lets see if that sticks or not.

    • Waqqas Khokhar

      It’s really quite simple. 2-yr contracts will hit the consumer’s directly in the form of decreased upfront subsidy on the handsets themselves. They will hit the carriers in the form of non-secured revenue after 2 years. That third year of unpredictable revenue needs to be planned for.

      Changing from 3 to 2-yr contracts is not a simple flick of the switch. Some things can be forecasted, others can’t. Money in the bank ensures you are better prepared for all eventualities.

    • Deli

      We know that switching over to 2yr should technically not result in higher pricing. However, how can we possibly be naive enough to think that the Big 3 would not use this to increase prices? Come on people!

    • Liberal Phone Person

      does that mean that if we allowed 4 year contracts prices for unlim minutes +6gb data would be $45 per month? because that’s the scale of difference

  • David

    Competition in Canada means everyone has near identical service plans and prices.

    • accord1999

      That’s usually what competition leads to.

    • Who Needs Facts

      A fact that nobody seems to understand.

  • HorrorBiz

    So they raised the prices even higher, but if you bring your own device in you can get a $60 plan (with less than what was offered before) which was standard pricing for smart phone plans before this.

    Wow

  • Big Boy

    hahaha this is jokes

  • Accophox

    And the carriers fall RIGHT into line with each other…

  • Lukeiphone

    what a rip off

  • KrispyInTO

    all these plans are complete **** wtf is wrong with the crtc

    • Waqqas Khokhar

      You have the CRTC to thank for this mess. Canadians didn’t know how good they had it until they forced the CRTC to do this. Just search online for a side-by-side comparison of Canadian and US rate plans before all this mayhem.

    • hhero

      had it good ? nah man we had decent prices but then again they were going up

      it used to be 55$ for top 10 200 min text and 1 gig then it jumped to 60 and then 65 with caller id then it jumped to 70 tell me how is this good ?
      and it was on 3 years

      All what EVEYBODY IN CANADA INCLUDING YOU wanted was 1) decent prices 2) shorter contact term

      did you know that after a year your phone is out of warrenty ?
      did you know that after 2 years most phone company don’t support their devices.

    • hrmm

      no but you got a new phone /notsarcasm

    • zanzee

      Why do you keep comparing us to the US? Why would you ever compare something to the worst example. You should always compare up, otherwise you’ll end up in the mud like a fool.

  • Samuel Gomez Recuero

    The mentality of “since we can’t get them for 3 years, lets try to make all that money in two years” are really gonna hurt them in the long run. What will happen from Aug 2015 to Aug 2016 is that everyone who has a cell now will have a BYOD and they will then (lets hope) will be killing each other to try to get those customers but every single one can be with one carrier a month and go with another the next month, how will they be able to account for that into their budgets will be a miracle

    • Yo Yo Ma

      Part of the reason for switching to 2 years was that consumers want new devices, but don’t want to be stuck to their current one for 3 years.
      So, very likely, MOST consumers will end up resigning a 2 year contract. A few will keep reminding people that the best thing to do is to buy a device outright, but the majority won’t listen. The majority want upfront cheap devices, and they want it every 2 years (or even less).
      So I think the Telco’s are pretty covered.

    • hhero

      I really hope that less people will sign up for 3 years anyways when you think about it its crazy a family of 3 with 1 gig each is 255$ per month ( 85 * 3) i can’t wait for the prices to go down

    • Ccd

      More like $215. Only one lines needs to have the data that will be shared.

    • redwhite

      Your math is off.
      Family of 3 (All with premium smartphones) would be $55*3=165 plus you would need to add $50 for 3GB of shared data. So $215 per month.

      Then if you divide that, it’s $71.67. Which is actually lower then what it would have cost on a 3 year. It would have been $80 for 3 years. Mean this family of three has saved $600 in the two years and $2,880 for what they would have paid during that 3rd year. Meaning a total savings of $3,480.

    • redwhite

      Your math is off.
      Family of 3 (All with premium smartphones) would be $55*3=165 plus you would need to add $50 for 3GB of shared data. So $215 per month.

      Then if you divide that, it’s $71.67. Which is actually lower then what it would have cost on a 3 year. It would have been $80 for 3 years. Mean this family of three has saved $600 in the two years and $2,880 for what they would have paid during that 3rd year. Meaning a total savings of $3,480.

    • Samuel Gomez Recuero

      well, we will see what happens in two years from now. Cause I stayed with my iphone 3G for five years and I expect the S3 I got in January this year to last me that long too.

    • Who Needs Facts

      Samuel – please explain this to nekkidtruth. He has not quite “grasped” it yet.

  • Matt Z10

    Don’t blame the CRTC, they just did everything they were asked. 2 year contracts. If you want the prices to change..don’t buy these plans. You complain and pull out the wallet. What do they care really? keep the old plans, buy direct, write letters to the companies, Gov’t whatever but you want real change, take it to the source…don’t pin it on a 3rd party

    for the record: saw this coming the second they started considering 2 yr only

  • Me Ted

    Holy $hit. So my current plan would now cost me $120? You’ve got to be absolutely $hitting me.

    • Samuel Gomez Recuero

      just don’t renew and you can keep it as long as you are with them

    • Me Ted

      Very true.

    • this guy

      no dice. come December bell and maybe telus is forcing the switch over because the retailers systems wont even display that there’s a three year option. or its going under do not sell.

    • this guy

      once you go to renew of course

  • this guy

    If anyone can actually see that doc. It says bell is offering generous amounts of data. What a joke!

    • gomez

      yep this is a total ripooff, a year ago they were offering 6gb with my 10 etc for 60 dollars a month, and now this, this is a joke

  • kroms

    Exactly ………There is collusion and everyone can see that there is price fixing going on here. Why this has not been scrutinized very carefully by the GOV or controlling body is beyond me.

  • Goaferdan

    Oh boy! I’ never getting rid of my fab10 w/6gb, free caller I’d & voicemail…

  • Six

    Not really sure why people are complaining.
    Verizon won’t change anything even if they do come in, their plans cost the same amount as ours.

    Check how much it costs for 2gb of data with unlim call + text, $100. Same as it does on Telus right now.

    So Verizon coming into the game won’t change jack all.

    Wind is a small network and not ideal for people who want to roam around, or want higher connection speeds, LTE, DC-HSPA.

    And carriers have always, always, always been copying each other.
    Whenever something was popular, it was copied.

    Think about the value carriers.
    $56 plan? everyone copied it.
    $39, same.
    Last summer 6gb super plans, everyone copied it.
    Bell gives unlimited nation wide calling free, Telus, Rogers copy it.

    They do it so they can keep their existing customers and pull the ones who are unhappy with a different carrier.

    • Verdic

      If Verizon won’t change anything the big 3 have nothing to be worried about.

      Or maybe they will run a $40 plan and everyone else will have to follow them? If Verizon wants to get market share they will have to offer a value proposition that nobody else offers.

    • Six

      Verizon coming in and running a $40 plan is about as likely as one of our major carriers jumping across the border and doing that.

      Verizon only wants in here because they see it as another opportunity to make profits on a steadily growing business in Canada.

      And even then, what happens when verizon comes in.
      They have no network built up, so they buy mobilicity.
      Then you’re left with the same problem as wind.
      So they might piggy back off the major carriers for the next 5 years while they build up their plan.

      Nothing is ever going to just change over night like people think it will.

    • redwhite

      Yah. Let’s give all of our good paying corporate jobs to America. Canadians should all have to work in retail and make minimum wage so US companies can profit. Then we should do the same in all of our other industries! Great idea. Go Verizon!

  • DeepSlicedBacon

    Wow my 3100 local minutes w/ unltd canada wide calling, unltd sms and voicemail with 6gb data looks like a deal considering its 85$/mth + tax.

  • Six

    Remind me again how there is competition and different plans in the States?

    As soon as their are established carriers anywhere in the world they will not try to undercut each other.

    The competition is technically Wind, and if you don’t like their network then you pick one of the three major companies that gives you the best deal at the time.

    Nobody is just going to magically come in and undercut by $20 – $30 and still have a network and strong as the big three.

    • Six

      I use the US as an example, if there is no competition and undercutting done anywhere else in the world, why do you think it will just randomly happen here?

      Every country with existing telecom is stagnant.
      The only reason they are vocal is because they know Verizon is only doing it because they want more money.
      And if the big three were in the same boat don’t you think they would try to expand into the states?

      Also because if Verizon does come here, what network do they have to work off? Mobilicity?
      So if they do come here they will piggy back off the big three, hence why they don’t want verizon, they will have to share their own networks they spent a ton of money on with some new carrier that just wants to come in and take a chunk of money and leave again.

    • Zed Eph

      You say “share” as though they wouldn’t get any payment for it… they make a killing off the “sharing.” However, in the long term Verizon can make [retain] more profit by developing a thorough network throughout the country instead of using the incumbents for roaming outside their existing networks. If they acquire both Mobilicity and Wind, it would be feasible to get the necessary frequencies to develop their network extensively. Clearly, Verizon’s proposed entry is making Robelus shiver–exactly what we need to drive competition. Even if they did make money off the Canadian market, until they sell or dispose of the company and its assets, they wouldn’t be able to just take a “chunk of money and leave.”

  • Who Needs Facts

    If Ford dealer #1 offered you an Escape at $25,000 and Ford Dealer #2 offered you the identical Escape at $22,900 is he not trying?

  • Who Needs Facts

    I could have sworn I just read about 50 posts that say I could take my paid for phone and get the gazigabyte call anywhere anytime unlimited everything from Wind for less than half what they big three charge? You are calling 50 posters liars?

    What part of take your paid for phone and buy anywhere you want are you having a hard time grasping?

  • Who Needs Facts

    Wahhh. I want a new phone and I don’t want pay for it. I want 6GB and I don’t want to pay for it.

    Why can you not “grasp” the fact that when the phone is paid the plan is over. done. fini. You dont like the plan that is there the day after you are done. QUIT.

  • skullan

    Your logic is flawed here and I almost didn’t take to time to respond to it because of your approach, however, I have overlooked it as the possibility that you might actually not have meant it in the tone it is read.

    1. You’re talking physical items, it takes finite natural resources to produce and far more likely to be similar in price after smelting and construction costs.

    2. Yes, they could very well be in collusion, Your description does not address whether or not there was collusion (whether outright or tacit) in the example, only that they sell it for the same price and people are unhappy with one company.

    How did they value that item, how much did it cost to make that item, what type of margin is on that item. You’re missing a whole level of transparency in your example.

    For the car industry: google “british car company collusion sales 20 years”.

    For a component industry, google: “lcd price fixing samsung lg”