CRTC to hold technical briefing on differential pricing and Vidéotron’s Unlimited Music on April 20

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  • Johnny Apollo

    Videotron offers this for most music services. I understand if they were forcing customer to use their specific music streaming but all major services are covered here (Spotify, Apple music, etc). This inst a conflict with the net neutrality rules like Bell with their mobile TV service. Leave it to Rogers to s**t on somebody else’s parade.

    • EcE

      Exactly.

      I fail to see how this is an issue. They have been adding more and more streaming services and they encourage people to suggest more to be added.

      If they were offering it for Galaxy radio or whatever it is called, it would be a different story.

    • fred

      The issue is that this is not neutral. They charge for most bytes transferred, but not if it’s a music service. It doesn’t matter if they whitelist 1 or 1000 music services, they still violate net neutrality.

    • David Markx

      Videotron Unlimited Music is literally the only way anyone can stream music in Canada. Our data caps are so damn small and prices so high that streaming Spotify on your phone makes no sense when you can burn though an entire month’s data allocation in a few hours.

      All carriers offer FREE Youtube, Netflix, Spotity, etc in the US, Canadians are sick of being left our with our $50 1gb a month data.

    • fred

      like it or not, it’s not neutral

    • EcE

      Anybody else can offer it. There’s nothing exclusive about it preventing other carriers, unlike the Rogers/Spotify deal or Crave, etc.

    • fred

      I agree, everybody can be non-neutral. That doesn’t make it good.

    • EcE

      How is it non-neutral?
      There’s no exclusives, customers can request more apps to be added, competition can offer the same…
      Again, Spotify was exclusive, Crave was exclusive, that was unfair for the competition.
      When a carrier offers a better deal (more data for the same price) other carriers can up their game and match it. How is this different?

    • fred

      It’s not neutral as soon as you treat one byte differently than another. A byte received from spotify doesn’t count towards your monthly cap when one received from Youtube or Mobilesyrup does.

      You don’t have to support net neutrality. Just don’t pretend that you do if you support Videotron’s unlimited music policy.

    • Ipse

      We get your point Mr Natale.

    • fred

      The last thing Rogers and Natale want is a net neutrality legislation in Canada, so they agree with you, not with me.

    • bigshynepo

      Videotron is not bringing the revolution, they are skirting the rules.
      Expect this to be shut down so enjoy it while it lasts.

    • Mario Gaucher

      This has been running for a few months now… and even CRTC said in the past that nothing was wrong… but they were still going to take a look at this situation (again).
      I don’t expect that something will change in the near future.

    • bigshynepo

      I’m not saying the service will turn off at the end of this review, but if you think one of the smaller communication companies in Canada will be able to keep doing this in the face of pressure from Rogers, Bell, and Telus, then I think you’ll be wrong in the long-run.

    • Mario Gaucher

      there’s pressure from Rogers…
      Bell not 100% clear at this moment.
      Telus is on Videotron’s side for that.
      And Freedom Mobile probably don’t care because they have unlimited plans.

      So essentially, there’s only Rogers that is really complaining… they are big… but that doesn’t change anything for the CRTC.

    • bigshynepo

      Well Mario, the Verdict has been handed down by the CTRC, Videotron has 90 days to make their service net neutral. I had no idea it would be that quick but all Canadians are better for it.

    • Mario Gaucher

      All Canadian are better for it?
      Not really..: not me.
      If Vidéotron doesn’t come up with something to replace unlimited music, this will definitively change my streaming habit… I might as well cancel my Apple Music subscription.

      Did it change anything for you? Probably not if you are not with Vidéotron. Your provider will still continue to screw you with their high prices and low data cap.

    • bigshynepo

      I was merely following up on our discussion, please don’t feel like I was gloating.
      All Canadians are better for this decision because it levels the playing field for all providers. I can’t even subscribe to Videotron as it’s out of my service area, but if it means keeping competition fair between the big 3, I support it.
      I would be pissed if I woke up tomorrow and found out Bell was offering
      free Netflix streaming on their service, and it would give me serious
      consideration (even tho I don’t want to) to change services – and that’s what net neutrality keeps
      in check.
      Does this immediately affect me like it does you, no, thankfully. But in long run, it does affect all of us and net neutrality is important when the bigger picture is considered.

      (Disclaimer: I have 14GB of data a month on Rogers and have never exceeded it, even when using my connection as a wi-fi hotspot for a full week.)

    • Mario Gaucher

      I understand all the net neutrality thing… I’m just mad that the crtc had to take this decision even if I understand why they did this…
      This levels down the playing field… what customers want is more for the money they are paying… not less.
      Vidéotron was a little bit different with the unlimited music service… but now it looks like we will be back to “everyone is the same”

    • bigshynepo

      Videotron can still offer unlimited data, they just can’t offer unlimited data for particular apps. They ball is really in their court. Many USA carriers are going back to Unlimited Data (due to existing neutrality laws) and Videotron has the money to do it too with their much smaller subscriber base. Here’s hoping they unveil an unlimited data option so customers like yourself can continue to enjoy the benefits of a regional competitor.

    • Jimbo

      It’s an issue only because of the nature of Net Neutrality and what it provides.

      Let’s say you’re a startup music streaming company in Quebec or Canada and you want to increase your subscription numbers… doesn’t it suck if you can’t be part of the ‘free’ group because you’re not one of the ‘major services’?

      What if each carrier now offers the same set of features? Will you have to negotiate with each carrier to try to get on their list of approved music streaming services? Will they allow it?

    • David Markx

      >Let’s say you’re a startup music streaming company in Quebec or Canada and you want to increase your subscription numbers… doesn’t it suck if you can’t be part of the ‘free’ group because you’re not one of the ‘major services’?

      Like all carriers in the USA offering free video and music streaming, Videotron has contact info for companies who want to be added to Unlimited Music. Literally any streaming service can be added to Unlimited Music.

    • Jimbo

      The US isn’t exactly a bastion of Net Neutrality considering they’ve earmarked it for death. I don’t believe they’re the example we should follow. Zero-Rating is a sneaky bypass of net neutrality and it has issues… I would completely hesitate to say that just filling out a form will suddenly make a site you’re interested in become ‘free’.

      It’s a slippery slope, and this is the grease to total net neutrality bypasses.

  • Salinger

    What exactly is a “technical briefing”? I went to the CRTC website to see past such briefings to get a feel for what type of information can be expected, but they never use that term anywhere on their website.

  • Mario Gaucher

    I’ an happy videotron’s customer… using unlimited music nearly every day. 40-50% of my data usage goes toward unlimited music… so hopefully this will stay or videotron will offer more data for the same price.

    • Ipse

      Same here…without the unlimited music option I’d be eating my data before the end of the month. I do support net neutrality, but this is different since they don’t favor a provider.

    • hunkyleepickle

      It’s not different at all. It favors a service, and thus deincentivises similar services that don’t get the same zero rating. I get that some people will really appreciate this type of thing, but it’s a slippery slope. People should fight for more realistic data caps instead.

  • Christopher Baldrey

    Times for the event are listed as 6 hours apart. I think the time zones are swtiched.