Global smartphone market share of BlackBerry’s BB10 drops below 1%

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  • Techguru86

    Sounds like a MS article, they use a photo of the DTEK50 which is Android powered not BB10 lol

  • Brad Fortin

    “Apple meanwhile sold 77.0 million units in the quarter”

    They actually sold 78.3 million units in the quarter, which is why I never trust numbers from firms like Gartner, IDC, etc: They literally ignore the real numbers and make up their own in order to please their investors. I believe the term is “fake news”.

    • Aaron Hoyland

      While I agree that misstating Apple’s numbers is sloppy, I don’t understand how a 1.7% understatement of their sales is somehow drastically changing the narrative or having any effect on Gartner’s financial position?

    • Brad Fortin

      They always understate Apple’s sales, sometimes by as much as a double-digit percentage, and overstate the sales of its special interests, typically about as much as they understate Apple’s sales, while coming up with a calculated “other” number that’ll paint the rest of the numbers in exactly the light its special interests want.

      Some of their special interests, like Microsoft or Samsung, will even go so far as to “lobby” (pay) firms like IDC and Gartner hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to completely rework how they calculate their numbers in order to make their own numbers look better.

      For example, when the Mac was starting to make a comeback at the beginning of the 2000’s firms like IDC and Gartner were paid by Microsoft to change their methodology so that “PCs” went from just including consumer-bought PCs to including servers, mainframes, even cash registers and in-car infotainment systems.

      While a single 1.7% understatement might seem innocuous on its own you have to remember that any variation from the real number is likely intentional, sometimes maliciously so.

    • fred

      77 is pretty damn close to 78.3, you are being a nitpicker.
      They might not use the exact same quarters begin and end date.

    • Brad Fortin

      Gartner comes out with numbers that are altered to please its special interests, not numbers that are accurate. Any variation from the real numbers is often intentional, sometimes maliciously so. See my reply to @aaronhoyland:disqus for more details.

    • fred

      Cool story bro, but unsubstantiated.

    • Brad Fortin

      Fully substantiated. Comes v Microsoft, exhibit 2817: “Successfully lobbied and changed the Gartner Group TCO model to show Windows as providing the lowest overall TCO”

    • fred

      So you are saying that they are being bought by Microsoft, when they say that their market share is close to 0?

    • Brad Fortin

      I’m saying their numbers and methodologies are for sale, and the evidence from the court case proves it.

    • fred

      Maybe they are being bought by Apple.
      Anyways your example is moot since total cost of ownership is much more subjective than raw sales numbers.

      You just cited one court case for one firm. Numbers from different firms tend to confirm each others.

    • Can’t Fix Stupid

      It doesn’t really change the analysis. What special interests….those that want to see Apple fail so taking out 1.7mln units is a means to that end?

    • Brad Fortin

      It certainly changes the analysis when the numbers are manipulated to fit a predefined narrative and that narrative is then sold to Wall Street.

      Yes, special interests have lobbied (paid) firms like IDC and Gartner to modify their numbers and methodologies to paint the special interests in a much better light and the special interests’ competitors in a negative light. For an example see Comes v Microsoft, exhibit 2817: “Successfully lobbied and changed the Gartner Group TCO model to show Windows as providing the lowest overall TCO”.

      In the early 2000’s Microsoft and other PC OEMs also lobbied the firms to change their methodology for calculating PC market share to include things like servers, mainframes, even cash registers and in-car infotainment systems as “PCs” in order to make the Mac’s slowly-recovering market share look much smaller than it actually was. In the late 2000’s they did the same thing with the MP3 player market numbers to inflate the Zune’s numbers while shrinking the iPod’s. Ditto in the early 2010’s when Microsoft was going all-in on “slate computing” to compete with the iPad.

  • Mo Dabbas

    You know guys (at mobile syrup guys), if anybody knows how blackberry is now moving to android this is really a “meh, we all know” kinda news. From what I know blackberry 10 market share has been below 1% for a while now. So this isn’t really anything new.

    I would focus on Windows phone sales. Unlike blackberry 10 which is being abandoned, microsoft is still trying with windows phone that (from the table provided by Gartner) seems to have fallen drastically to a quarter of what was sold last year.

    • Chug that haterade

      I agree…. the last new BB10 device (not counting the Passport SE) was released almost 2 years ago… and the Classic was released OVER two years ago.. it doesn’t take a genius (or overpaid consulting firm) to figure out that their market share is going to drop without any new BB10 devices in 2 years…

    • Shogun

      Very true comments but at times certain delusional types need reminding how idiotic they are.

    • Rev0lver

      Oh don’t be so hard on yourself. You’re not THAT bad.

    • Chug that haterade

      Yes he is…. just ask “the forest from the trees”…

    • Chug that haterade

      Reminding of what? Basic facts or how you struggle with reading comprehension?

    • monkeymo

      Its amazing that they sell that many Windows Phones even though MS has clearly checked out on Windows Mobile/phone for nearly 3 years now.

    • Mo Dabbas

      Microsoft did not check out on windows phone….. They released last year the Lumia 650. They did some work with companies like HP and Alcatel which both have windows phones released this year. There are still tons of Blue windows phones devices coming out. and there are still rumors going around about a Surface phone. all of that doesn’t look to me like “checked out”.

    • monkeymo

      Ive been using my 1020/930s as my main phone the last 4 years and yeah they clearly checked out. They shut down so many of their apps, the 650 and 950s were feeble attempts at a phone. Microsoft isn’t pushing windows mobile, their partners are because Microsoft totally recluded from the market to allow them. Windows 10 mobile is still not finished, its gotten better but its still missing feautres they promised from 12 months ago.

      the surface phone wont come till 2018 at the earliest, Microsoft is waiting to ‘reboot’ windows mobile then till that time, its more about hey we have some UWP apps but that program is failing to catch developers. I really wanted WP to be big it had a chance with Nokia, they had 10-20% marketshare in most European markets but Microsoft let that dwindle now to around 3-8%.

    • Mo Dabbas

      oh, I see, so if I happend to use the iPhone 3GS that means apple checked out on iOS and the iPhones that came after are all feeble attempts. Ya, that makes total sense.

      Microsoft is not the one who is shutting down the apps. Developers are not bothering with the operating system anymore (nobody cares about a 1%). There is a huge difference. Having microsoft shutting down apps means apps like Microsoft office and skype are pulled out of windows phone.

    • monkeymo

      I’m not talking about the mass exodus of major app developers leaving the platform, I’m talking about Microsoft owned apps that are no longer available and even their apps like outlook are not feature parity compared to the iOS and android variants. Skype for windows phone is disgusting compared to the ios version…..

  • Chug that haterade

    I suspect a certain poster is busy foaming at the mouth just waiting to jump all over this right after he sorts out “forest from the trees”

  • fred

    Shouldn’t the new be that they dropped below 0.05%? If they had 0.05% it would have been rounded up to 0.1% in the table, but instead they have 0.0%.

  • Shogun

    Oh and of course the company says it hopes to license this crap out to keep it alive. lol
    And the pumpers, like a certain poster here already, will tell you about NIAP certifications and how the company is still a going concern and none of this means anything. Unreal…

    • Chug that haterade

      Right on schedule….

  • Magic18

    Told you so…

  • Can’t Fix Stupid

    Remains a two horse race….not really much of a need to break out Blackberry or Windows from Other anymore.

  • Now that Blackberry is basically Android, that number will only be for places where they can’t use android for whatever reason. Till the next big thing happens, it will always be a two horse race

  • Jockohomo

    Too bad. BB10 had such potential, and consumers deserve options other than the usual two. Tragic mismanagement, I suppose.

  • Cowpoke Sal

    Talking of Samsung…they corrupt, yeah? They corrupt longtime!!!