Apple on Android’s market share: ‘Does a unit of market share matter if it’s not being used?’

Ian Hardy

September 19, 2013 8:56am

A new article by Bloomberg Businessweek today has Apple execs Tim Cook, Jony Ive, and Craig Federighi talking candidly about their business and competitors.

The new iPhone 5C and 5S are coming out tomorrow – pre-orders numbers are not known yet – but demand and lineups will most likely happen. In the report, Cook states that “we never had an objective to sell a low-cost phone… Our primary objective is to sell a great phone and provide a great experience, and we figured out a way to do it at a lower cost.” Many rumours surfaced online before its launch that the cheaper iPhone would come in under $300 outright – but, the base price for the 16GB 5C is set at $599, which is only $120 less than the 16GB iPhone 5S. Low cost and competing on price is where Android is playing, and Cook notes that “There’s always a large junk part of the market… We’re not in the junk business.”

With the rise of Android, Cook says that “I think it’s even more a two-operating-system world today than it was before… when you look at things like customer satisfaction and usage, you see the gap between Android and iOS being huge.” However, Cook slams Google and says that people buy Android devices, but the ones they are using have an Apple logo on the back. “Does a unit of market share matter if it’s not being used? For us, it matters that people use our products. We really want to enrich people’s lives, and you can’t enrich somebody’s life if the product is in the drawer.”

Finally. Innovation. The article started off saying that “Apple is doomed.” Many analysts have been reporting this and subsequently the stock has dropped. Similar to Steve Jobs, Cook says that “Everybody is trying to adopt Apple’s strategy. We’re not looking for external validation of our strategy, but I think it does suggest that there’s a lot of copying, kind of, on the strategy and that people have recognized that importance… Innovate or die.”

Source: Business Week

  • MSined

    When an incumbent needs to not only acknowledge but slam the competition, its because they are a perceived threat.

    • ChanceIll

      Well said!!

    • Balls O’Steele

      Cook’s attitude shows why Apple is doomed. As soon as the N5 is released for $299, Apple sales will crash.

    • rmonster

      If that were true, Apple’s sales would have tanked when the N4 was out.

      Anyway, from other industries we know that there’s always space for an up-market competitor. Apple’s marketshare in the PC space is much, much lower than other manufacturers, but they still make more in profits–just from their PC business–than any other PC hardware maker.

      Apple only cares about marketshare insofar as it translates into profits.

    • Rashed

      thats because they sell their products overpriced..

    • rmonster

      ‘Overpriced’ is a matter of perspective. In an economic sense, it really means that they’re priced beyond the ability of the market to bear, which is clearly not the case here. People will pay the price Apple is charging, which is, by definition, not overpriced for those people.

    • Zoidbort

      Well no…it just means that they bear the burden of being in debt to be accepted by their friends and the status quo.

    • It’s Me

      Yup DOOMED.

      Wait, they’ve been doomed for 30 years. Why is it taking so long?

    • Balls O’Steele

      Because there are a shocking number of fools who are willing to pay $700 for a phone.

    • Wufai

      I wished I can create a device, sell for $700 and ‘fools’ flock from all over to buy up my crap. What’s wrong with that by the way? From this standpoint. who is the fool? the one making $700 devices hand over fist or the one claiming their $299 device is better?

    • Me Ted

      Neither one is a fool but I think it’s safe to say that the person who spends $400 less on a device and owns it outright (better position to bargain with service provider), comes out on top a little more at the end of the day.

    • Nadefrenzy

      Not if you talk about their phone experience LOL.

    • Guest

      Well if it isn’t the iPhone fairy again. How’s it going $hitbag? You still wallowing in misery?

    • Guest

      I’m an Android user, nexus freak. Get off your a*s, and find a proper job so you can afford one of the premium phones, mr bargain bin.

    • Guest

      Says the first living abortion who still lives with his mother in the basement.

    • Guest

      “First living abortion” wow that’s so original!

      /sarcasm

      You’re awfully immature for a 30+year old.

    • Guest

      And clever. Maybe you can take the week to come up with something equally as witty. Until then, stay out of my way. You’re far too outclassed and I’m exponentially smarter than you’ll ever be. Good day…or night.

    • Me Ted

      Ok. Truce. I’ll remove my rather inflammatory comments and offer this apology. I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have said what I did.

    • Nadefrenzy

      cool. I’ll reciprocate.

    • It’s Me

      huh. so you have to resort to make believe to support your opinion? Most iPhones, as with any smartphone, sell on contract at much less than that.

      So back to your original hypothesis about Apple being doomed…not so well thought out I guess, if that is your only supporting argument.

    • Me Ted

      But your contract priced iPhone is the same or barely less than my wholly owned Nexus device. That gives me far more barganing power to get the plan that I want with my service provider.

      EDIT: Look. Don’t get me wrong. Enjoy your iPhone. It’s an awesome device but you do pay a premium for it. But that’s ok too because that’s what you want and there’s nothing wrong with that.

    • It’s Me

      How are Nexus selling compared to the cheap Nexus line up? What are the sale numbers. I’m interested.

      Seems like the real threat to Apple is the Galaxy S lineup and they are hardly cheap.

    • Me Ted

      I don’t know and I don’t care. What does that have to do with anything I’ve said? Oh I get it. You’re posturing; trying to get a rise out of me. Nah. Consider that bud nipped.

      Although if you’re really that interested, in my household sales figures are brisk for the Nexus line. I believe in Q1 of 2011 50% of all handset owners used some form of Nexus handset. In Q3 of 2012, that number jumped to 75%. Pretty staggering. Nexus tablets also sold quite well. In Q2 of 2012, they had 50% of the market and a presumably much higher mindshare.

      Extended family figures are equally impressive. As of Q2 2013, of the 12 handset owners, 50% of them had not just Android devices, but Nexus specific devices ranging from the Galaxy Nexus to the Nexus 4. Of note 1/3rd of those users were recent iPhone converts who were rather displeased with the overall cost of the device. Also of note, the other half of the market belonged to iOS. Both iPhone4 and iPhone 5 devices were represented in those figures.

      Q3 results are still obviously rolling in but look for that report sometime in mid-October.

    • It’s Me

      I guess Nexus really is killing the iPhone then.

      Not trying to get a rise out of you. Just trying to get some facts. I guess I asked too much.

    • Me Ted

      Lol! That’s only in my household and my in-laws who actually use smartphones.

      Look; iPhone is still killing it out there and as far I know, will continue to do so for years and possibly decades. Anyone who disputes that is a fool. Will they continue to exist at these price points? I don’t know. We’ll see.

      Like I said earlier, if you happen to love the device then more power to you. You’ve obviously made the right decision for you and that’s all that matters. Everything else is just fanboy bs that too many muppets throw around on here. I say enjoy it.

      Besides, I’m quite thankful for Apple’s breakthroughs. Imagine where we’d be without the iPhone. *shutter* Yeah…exactly. Lousy Motorola RAZR variants and Windows Mobile devices running the most dreadful OS in the world. No thanks.

    • It’s Me

      Also, given the ridiculously small discount, if any, carriers provide for BYOD, how much leverage do you think you have? You might get a small BYOD discount, I negotiate a retentions plan for even less because I sign a contract.

      We’re in Canada. You have no leverage.

    • Me Ted

      The plan I negotiated suggests otherwise. It wasn’t even meant for this province. Its current Ontario equivalent is about $110 and I’m paying $60. I’m not on a contract either.

      Of course, I also have the option to jump ship and go anywhere else….whenever I want. It’s empowering.

    • It’s Me

      Great. I guarantee I pay less and get more because of the leverage of a contract. If you get 6GB, unlimited Canada and US, CID, CCF, VVM for under $60 with tax, let me know. That’s what retentions can do for you.

      Enjoy your plan and your freedom :D

    • Me Ted

      Holy crap. That is good.

      I have the old Sask55 plan that I pay $60 for, but had to negotiate u/l nationwide. That was a chore, let me tell you.

    • It’s Me

      When my time comes, I will look at the Thunderbay plan for $60 or the Sask55. I no longer need the US calling. But it shows what a contract can incentivize retentions to do for you.

    • Frank Reiter

      Just took a Nexus 4 to Wind Mobile where $30 per month gets unlimited almost everything including data. Try that with your on contract iPhone.

    • It’s Me

      That’s great. I love the idea of Wind, seriously. And if they had service in my area I’d consider them. Can’t say for sure I’d go with them since I need the reliability and range of the larger nonAWS networks. Not slamming them at all, just they aren’t a viable option for many.

    • Carmen Leung

      Wind is bidding for the 700 mhz auction, so it’ll help with their range and building prentration

    • Sylax

      Only a fool will think everyone else is a fool.

    • Me Ted

      In 1997 they were. They were literally days away from filing for bankruptcy. You can thank MS for providing them with a massive infusion of cash and saving them.

    • It’s Me

      The “massive” infusion from MS was $150 million. Hardly massive, even by standard 16 years ago. What MS did that did help them was commit to Office for the Mac for 5 years guaranteed. That was, by far, more valuable to Apple than the pittance of an investment that made, which was only intended as a show of confidence in Jobs turn around plan.

      No question, they were hurting back then. Since then, they have grown every single year. Hardly a trend indicating they are doomed in the short term. That’s just dumb.

    • Me Ted

      It saved them. Period. Not sure why you’re even bothering to go beyond that point. Of course any investment comes with some level of confidence in the CEO to right the ship. It’s implied. To explicitly make a reference to that fact is just a waste of everyone’s time.

    • It’s Me

      It was a negligible investment. As I said, what MS did that actually helped them was to guarantee Office on the Mac for 5 years. The $150 million was peanuts and was actually part of a settlement of a lawsuit Apple had against MS. Here is ZDNet’s clarification of your myth (but like all good urban legends, there are still those that believe the BS):

      “•Microsoft’s $150 stock investment was the result of a settlement of a lawsuit. In fact, the investment was just an initial payment for other “substantial balancing payments” that would be spread out over then next few years, then Apple CFO Fred Anderson said at the time.The exact amount of the settlement is still unknown as far as I am aware. I’ve seen estimates from $500 million to more than $1 billion.

      •The two companies would cross-license all their existing patents, and any new patents that would become available during the next five years.”

      So, keep living in your fantasy. It isn’t based on facts.

    • 84

      OK your seriously sound like apple shoved money and iPhones up your a*s and its reached your brain and clouded all logic within you. Everyone has an opinion, and you need to realize that. Like ted I also don’t mind iphones and they have some good qualities but an android right now is still my preferred phone. BYOD makes a pretty big difference. The big three give you a 20 discount every month and that’s 240 a year. That’s worth while to me IMO. But if you feel its peanuts then maybe thats why you can spend your money on an iPhone. Also having worked for a cell company I can tell you now that signing an contract doesn’t help with your power to negotiate a better plan. The amount of time with the company and your payment happens have a much larger affect. In fact on a byod plan I got a plan with unl everything and 6gb for under 50 and I never signed a contract other then a mtm. In most cases mtm will usually have more bargaining options.

    • It’s Me

      The big 3 only give a $20 BYOD discount on their much more expensive “Share” plans. Don’t try to pass off BD. The other plans allow, usually, 10%. But even if $20 was across the board, my discounts are closer to $40 through retentions. That’s more worthwhile, IMO.

      If you worked at a carrier, good for you. If you think a contract doesn’t help with retentions, you weren’t very good at your job. Retentions entire goal is to keep you and a contract is the best way to ensure that, therefore they have actual incentive to provide better pricing for contracts that for no contracts.

      What leverage or bargaining power do you imagine you have when you inform them that no matter what they do for you, you can walk way when a better deal comes along?

      Business is often about keeping the right customers. The ones that won’t commit are often the ones you can afford to lose.

    • 84

      Actually I was great at my job, I had top sales and top customer service 3 years running, it got me current job. First of all, you are correct in saying that the $20 is only for the share plans, however for me that is what I need, unl calls and larger amounts of data. So in my case, as with many people that would buy an iPhone, this is applicable. Oh BTW, did you know that signing a contract for that nice little iPhone 5s forces you to be on one of those share plans?? unless you Buy it straight out, a BYOD $20 discount is still better then what you can get if your a new customer buying an iphone from any of the big 3. The point of the contract is to lock you in for your commitment in using the company. A customer on BYOD after a few months can get a 2 year plan at a much lower cost then a person who signed a contract for a phone in that same time frame. You have alot of leverage as a BYOB customer, if your new you only need a few months of services before asking them for a better plan and this I would always do for customers and they always have a big chance of getting a better plan in order to retain the customer. If you are 3 months into your contract you have much more of an uphill battle to get a slightly better plan. Also when your contract expires and your are suddenly on MTM you have the most options available. Ultimately retention wants to keep you as a client and if they can get you on a contract then you just got suckered. I can tell you i pay less then your price that you pay for without a contract because I did excatly what I just said i did. Got a MTM plan and waited a few months and asked for a better one. I dont plan to tell you what I have but I know it’s cheaper then yours hands down. And all of this on a MTM meaning i can leave my carrier if I should choose. A mtm customer has the option to resign and get a better deal as well. so once again getting retention is usually based on length of tenure and payment habits. Once you sign your contract you can get anything for a set amount of time. Seriously go sign a contract and then call for a better plan after 14 days the rep would prob laugh at you. The only reason Contracts help is because it builds your time with that company so when your 2 year term is up you just built 2 years of tenure. A mtm client after 2 years will have a much easier time getting a better plan then you if he is willing to signs a contract like you again. You are right that business is about keeping the right customer, but a good business knows that everyone is the right customer. Either way if a person does sign contract for that better deal after going on a BYOD, say a 2 year, that persons buy out is still less then what your buy out would be on that iPhone. You can say what you want but a BYOD phone opens up many options and possiblities.
      But you can argue all you want saying you got a better deal, I wouldnt be surpised if your the guy sitting at home spending hours to get that plan and being just a big pain in the a*s. Cus your narrowminded head is doing a find job here

    • It’s Me

      Why more lying? No, I don’t need a share plan to get it. That is a straight up lie. It only applies to those on a retail plan.

      As an existing customer, I can get a new iPhone for any combination of voice and data of $60 or more, and that is before monthly discounts, meaning I can get it down to $50 technically. When I called yesterday for my father, they said they could not commit to any deals for the iPhone 5 yet, but discussed what might be possible. So far we are sitting at about $60, but I intend to get it down to $55 for him before he buys the phone.

    • 84

      Your funny. What company are you with that lets you get an Iphone 5/5s for under 70? Unless you spend over 300 a month I you won’t get anything close! If you are refering to Telus/ROgers/ Bell they won’t allow you have a contract under 70 that just how the new rule works, not on a 2 year term anyway and a low price for the phone.

    • It’s Me

      I’m with Fido, but Rogers has the same policy. $60 voice/data combination is the minimum for iPhone HUP. You have to go through retentions, which is what we have been discussing.

    • Frank Reiter

      That’s double what my wife ‘s new N4 with unlimited talk, texts, data is costing. So add another $360 per year to what you think your iPhone costs.

    • 84

      If you sign a 2 year term and you are passed your 14 days most companies will ignore you if you ask for a better rate until at least a few months in. And finally regardless of if Microsoft was forced to invest in apple or not… IT STILL SAVED THEM!

    • It’s Me

      Have you ever negotiated with retentions? In most cases they won’t deal until you’ve been with them for 3 months, so that is well past your 14 day return policy. Just because you can’t negotiate with them under contract doesn’t mean the rest of the world.

      And again, no the $150 million didn’t save anyway. Keeping Office around did help. I’m not, at all, suggesting MS didn’t help Apple. The money was not what saved them however.

    • 84

      You just said that MS did help apple then? “I’m not, at all, suggesting MS didn’t help Apple” Do you think that if MS elected to take matters to court Apple would have survived? I find your statements wildly inconsistent.

    • It’s Me

      Inconsistent in that I’ve been completely consistent. In my very first reply about MS, I said their commitment to making Office for 5 years is what helped Apple. The money was a token gesture at best. The money did not save Apple.

      If MS had not invested a dime but guaranteed Office for 5 years, yes, I think they would have survived. The pittance that MS invested did not save them.

      If you read the discussion before commenting, that would help you keep up and avoid the state of confusion you seem to be in.

    • 84

      Really… so 150 mil does nothing? I don’t care if it’s a “pittance”(pls stop using this word its annoying) its a 150 mill! I’m sure apple used it to invest in building products that made apple comeback from a fatal demise. but your welcome to produce a tax statement saying apple wasted the 150 mill on something stupid.
      Regardless of how much money 150 mil is, its still 150 mill. It helped, it certiantly would say they help save Apple regardless of the intent of the money from MS, doesn’t matter if they “owed” it to Apple, they could have simply dragged on the courts and paid more and apple would most likely not be here today. So in Microsofts greet to save money they saved apple. Can you not agree to that??

    • It’s Me

      It MS gave Apple $150 million right now, would it make a huge difference to their operations?

      They are much larger than they were 16 years ago, but the $150 million still make little difference to their operations. Because it was a pittance.

    • 84

      Ok so your saying a person with 21 months left and a $500 dollar cancellation fee can out-negotiate a person on a MTM with no cancellation fee willing to sign a 2 year? Your stubborness makes me laugh.

    • It’s Me

      I’m saying the person that is willing to enter into a 2 (or 3 year previously) commitment has vastly more leverage than some one that is not willing to commit.

      And even in the case where you are currently under contract, it’s been my experience they will still deal. They would prefer to deal and have you stay than to have you pay that $500 (or less) and walk away.

    • 84

      Wow it’s like you can’t read and your brain just has apples and the illusion that you can get whatever you want floating around.

    • It’s Me

      Sorry, maybe I should have avoided getting a degree and gone to work at a carrier instead to really understand how business works.

    • Me Ted

      There’s no myth here. Nobody is denying anything you’ve just cited. However, I think you’ve completely missed the point here.

      Apple was in administration at that point, literally days from death. Days. Think about that. Jobs called up Gates knowing the respect he had for Apple with the intent of securing investment in the company. His conditions were simple: Apple would drop the lawsuits if MS invested in them. Here’s an excerpt from Jobs’ bio:

      “So I (Jobs) called him (Gates) and said, “I need help.” Microsoft was walking over
      Apple’s patents. I said, “If we kept up our lawsuits, a few years from
      now we could win a billion-dollar patent suit. You know it, and I know
      it. But Apple’s not going to survive that long if we’re at war. I know
      that. So let’s figure out how to settle this right away. All I need is a
      commitment that Microsoft will keep developing for the Mac and an
      investment by Microsoft in Apple so it has a stake in our success.”

      It’s very clear to anyone with even the slightest of amount of common sense that the promise to continue to develop for a platform over time is useless IF THE PLATFORM DOESN’T EXIST. That’s where his last comment comes into play; the reference to “I N V E S T M E N T”. Without it, they were done (keeping in mind that they were in administration at this point…that’s very bad in case anyone’s wondering).

      So yes, the continued development of MS sw for the Mac platform was a long-term solution that aided in Apple’s rise from the ashes but that initial infusion is what allowed them to turn on the lights on Monday.

    • It’s Me

      Key part of your quote that you seem to have missed:

      “All I need is acommitment that Microsoft will keep developing for the Mac and an
      investment by Microsoft in Apple so it has a stake in our success.”

      The commitment was what helped Apple. The investment was for show..it gave them a stake in helping them succeed, not to save them.

    • Me Ted

      Granted the commitment was very important, but like I said earlier, there was no tomorrow without the money. What good would a commitment to write software for your platform be if that platform went the way of the dodo bird? That’s all I’m saying.

      EDIT: I didn’t “miss” the comment either. I actually cited it explicitly and then referenced a portion of it as well.

    • It’s Me

      I meant only that you missed the importance of that part of statement. Apple needed the commitment for Office. No one would buy Macs if Office went away. The investment was literally a token gesture to show they had some skin in the game.

    • Swordfish

      Trust me, Microsoft invested in them to make money! They bought 18M shares for around $8 a share. At the time, whenever Microsoft invested in someone, their stock price went through the roof. Microsofts investment encouraged others to also invest which in turn did save Apple. And Microsoft made a fortune when they cashed out. At todays price of $475, if Microsoft had of hung on to the stock, they could have made $8.4 B, not bad for an investment of $150M

    • cosmok

      Microsoft’s $150 million dollar stock investment in Apple was the result of a settlement of a lawsuit. In fact, it was just an initial payment on a much larger amount they owed Apple. So it wasn’t some sort of saintly bailout donation as you appear to suggest. Nonetheless, they did need the money.

    • kameko

      Um first of all, try reading the actual article linked instead of just a few snippets taken from it in this post.

      Secondly, by definition of a larger market share, isn’t android technically the incumbent then? With google and samsung amongst others having their fair share of slamming the competition?

      duh.

    • MSined

      I read it, and I’m commenting on the parts I wanted to comment on. There is nothing wrong with that.

      I said “An incumbent” that means Android can be one as well, we have 3 Incumbent carriers in Canada. Google slammed the Nokia/Microsoft partnership, why? Because it’s a perceived threat.

      Nothing I said in my original post was out of line. Nice try though, better luck next time.

    • canuck07

      Good job keeping your cool. Apple fanboys take things more personally when you say things against Apple than when you ask about his mother.

    • Jonathan Schmitt

      Why is everyone trying to make MSined look bad? He is correct. When a company feels a threat coming on, they blast the competition. Its the circle or business.

      Microsoft will blast Apple. Apple will blast Google. And so forth with pretty well any company.

      I know a lot of people who use Android devices as a secondary device, that no lie. But how many people use Android devices as a primary phone and have iPod touches as secondary devices?? A lot of people right.

    • hyperhyper

      I couldn’t imagine having two devices like that. Like when people carried a phone and pager around. Ahh classic.

      I use Android for my primary with nothing as my secondary. Also, most people I know don’t use iPods at all anymore either. The segment I see buying it are my friends kids because the parents don’t want to give them full fledged cell phones (not that there is much of a difference with all the VOIP/Camera apps).

    • Jeffery Smith

      I’m on Android person and to be honest I feel Android fans take things alot more personal. They get upset when you talk bad about Androids whereas Apple fans just smile and BELIEVE that they know there products are the best similar to blind faith, and when you have blind faith you don’t get upset so easily.

    • It’s Me

      Apple in the incumbent? Google and Samsung has been taking potshots at Apple forever.

    • MSined

      That’s up to you to decide. Google took shots at the Nokia/Microsoft partnership. My comment still applies.

    • It’s Me

      In other words everyone is taking shots at everyone else. Your point does stand but is sort of pointless.

    • Alex

      Most points in this game are. It’s par for the course in the rabid Apple vs rabid Google fans.

    • hyperhyper

      Except MSined does not appear to be a rabid fan. He was merely pointing out the logic flaw in Cook’s statements. Cook pretends that they are not even in the same market but he has to say that to appear confident (for stock price reasons). I think it was a good comment.

    • ginobili1

      No one could have said it any better!

  • ronnnyraygun1

    So he’s saying people buy Androids and don’t use it?

    • kameko

      Pretty much. App sales/profits are still way higher on iOS than on android, despite the fact that android has the larger market share.

    • Bri

      I don’t think people actually don’t use androids after buying them that doesn’t make sense. But I wonder why the app sales are higher on iOS, that’s strange..

    • Yulet

      Why would I pay money when I can just find the apk and install it?

    • Bri

      That’s true. I guess it is definitely much easier to find/install apps for free on Android. But didn’t expect the gap to be that large.

    • thedosbox

      Because that’s theft? If you want good apps to continue to be developed, then pay the 99 cents or whatever it costs.

    • Mike Simpson

      your a cheap person?

    • Mike Simpson

      broke? have no money?

    • Mike Simpson

      cheap person.

    • rmonster

      It’s not so much that people don’t use them, it’s just that they don’t seem to use them for apps or web browsing. Like I said in a different comment, I suspect that it breaks down along affluence lines more than anything. If you buy an Android flagship phone (Galaxy, HTC One, etc.) you probably buy more apps and use it more as a web device than someone that buys a $100 Android device. So many things get to call themselves ‘Android’ that sometimes I think we forget that not all Android devices are created equal. Cook is right that there’s a lot of junk out there. There are a lot of nice Androids out there too, but let’s be honest here: a bottom-of-the-line HTC really doesn’t stack up to any iPhone OR an XPeria Z.

    • Mike Simpson

      very valid comment.

    • Bri

      That makes sense. I have so much trouble with even the N4, which is one of the flagship devices. The signal strength is so weak compared to other devices…

    • thedosbox

      “If you buy an Android flagship phone (Galaxy, HTC One, etc.) you probably buy more apps and use it more as a web device than someone that buys a $100 Android device.”

      See the comment from Yulet – there are plenty of people who’ll quite happily pay $600 for the latest flagship phone, but are too cheap to spend $2.99 on apps.

    • rmonster

      Yeah, well, I’m not sure what to say about that. :)

      I suppose it’s worth saying that Tim Cook doesn’t care about people like that, either. I’m sure he’d rather that they stick to Android.

    • Josh Brown

      I know people that also Jailbreak their $700 iPhones for the pirated apps.

    • barrist

      Better made apps.

    • jonnny

      iphone users have to buy more apps because their OS is very limited, so they need more apps to make up for the lack of functionality of the OS. plus, if someone is dumb enough to pay so much money for a inferior phone, then they are probably also more likely to spend money on apps. there are so many good free android apps that i almost never need to buy an app.

    • Lumbar Jack

      Apple devices for a while (not anymore) needed credit cards to be attached to them in order to access the iOS app store at all (for free apps even).

      That step (getting a credit card attached to the account) is the hardest step in getting app purchasing to happen.

      Apple also has iTunes gift cards (which work with the iOS app store) available for purchase everywhere. Google is just starting to get to the same level with their Play Store cards.

    • rgl168

      There are also a large number of Android devices sold in China that were not allowed to access Google services and use Chinese government approved alternatives instead. So those devices will not be reflected in any of the mainstream surveys.

    • companyemails

      In all fairness, however, that is changing very fast.

    • Unorthodox

      Yeah, that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. How about people not using Apple products for what they could do? How about soccer moms mostly playing bejeweled and angry birds on a great piece of tech? To me this is totally being in the drawer.
      And he also called majority of the consumers “junk”. That is rather disgusting. He should go wash his mouth, arrogant pr!ck.

    • It’s Me

      Where did he call consumers junk? He was referring to the junk android device out there.

      Don’t get your panties bunched up over nothing.

    • It’s Me

      Pretty much every metric of usage stats shows this is the case. Android far and away dominates sales numbers, yet in usage stats it’s completely reversed. Strange isn’t it

  • Zee

    “We’re not in the junk business.” Could of fooled me Timmy. ;-)

    • monsterduc1000

      People are learning about Apple and their miniscule update policy every year and are getting tired of it.

      Lots of my friends made the switch this year from Apple to Android or even Windows phone as they are tired of such a closed system.

    • Zee

      Love how all the battery issues are popping up now on iOS7. Solution — “turn off most features”.

      Have a buddy who is all impressed by the control center that he can’t even customize. “Wow a shortcut to the flashlight, so convenient!” It really is a joke how excited these guys get for stuff that’s been around forever in other phones. “But I still have my Apple eco-system!” Great — enjoy!

    • grantdude

      You’re just holding it wrong.

  • monsterduc1000

    Apple is running scared so they have to berate the competition. My previous Nexus S and now the Note 2, both Samsung phones, have been bulletproof for the the last three+ years so I’ve had no need for customer support :)

    • It’s Me

      So Samsung and android berating and insulting and and their users for years means they running are scared too? The difference is apple says it when asked. Samsung creates entire marketing campaigns around it.

    • monsterduc1000

      The difference is that Samsung and Android are poking fun, not being arrogant jerks calling Apple products junk. If Apple wasn’t worried, they wouldn’t have put out a $600 budget phone…

    • Mike Simpson

      everyone wants to be like apple. nexus is the apple version of any android phone because they know hardware+software created by the same company is the only way to go!!!.

    • monsterduc1000

      Stock Android is decent, but I enjoy lots of the features Samsung cooks up for their phones.

    • Mike Simpson

      samsung is a joke. they are the apple of the android world.

    • monsterduc1000

      Typical iPhony comment. Lashing out when they know their product is the least innovative on the market.

      By the way, Samsung’s market share and stock is increasing, not plummeting like your rotting fruit company.

    • Lumbar Jack

      The Nexus line has always been meant to be a reference device.

      A cheap device with decent specs, the latest OS version, and the bare minimum in terms of built in software.

      It is designed so that you can code apps for it, and have a decent level of confidence that they will work on every other current device.

      The low cost and decent hardware have made it become popular with the general public as well.

    • It’s Me

      Nice try at trying to rationalize and differentiate, but not very convincing.

      Apple has had the $600 “budget” phone for years. It’s always been the previous model, just like this year. The only difference is a new case on the old phone. So, no significant change there really.

    • monsterduc1000

      Agreed, Apple totally believes is no significant change…

    • Jeffery Smith

      Why does it matter if Apple calls your phone junk?? I love my GS3 and couldnt care less what a company says about a phone, lol

    • Mike Simpson

      thats a one in a million.

  • Yulet

    If I paid $8-900 for a phone that’s not worth any more than $2-300 of course I’d use it everyday, I gave you all of my money and we think we look cool with a bitten apple in our hands!!!! is what iPoopers are doing haha

  • Brett Arnold Allard

    Whenever I see Nokias ‘Imitation is the best Flattery’ I will always think of the IPhone 5C then think back on IOS 7 and say “Hey isn’t this just a massive blend of Android and Windows phone”? Innovation has always been lacking with Apple, and the last thing they should be doing is slamming their biggest competitor.

    Don’t get me wrong… With the 5S due out tomorrow we’re looking at quite possibly the fastest and best of the wireless industry… But 2014 is right around the corner and after the holidays we start to see the latest and greatest of some of the other companies!

  • sicsicpuppy

    I prefer the Steve Jobs days when everyone kept their mouths shut

    • lusky3

      Up until the ‘Thermal Nuclear war on Android’ line, the man had a way with words. Lets blame that one the cancer drugs, RIP.

  • Super_Deluxe

    Dang Tim, your ignorance is why you keep losing market share to Google. But then again those words are the words of someone who is threatened by another. Keep releasing minor updated phones and Google will be the last one laughing. There will be a day where that Apple logo won’t be any more than an apple with a bite taken out of it. You can count on it.

    P.S: No one in their right mind buys an expensive product just to put it in their drawer. Let’s be realistic here Timmy.

    • kameko

      Android has the much larger marketshare. iOS on the other hand, has the majority of app sales/profits. So yes, people on android don’t use their phones or are just too poor and pirate everything. That or they have one of the gazillion cheap android phones that can’t even run anything. Thats just the reality.

    • Super_Deluxe

      So to use your phone you have to buy apps? LOL good one!

    • It’s Me

      Well, if the usage metrics show they aren’t using apps, aren’t browsing, aren’t buying, aren’t using NFC, exactly what are they using it for?

    • Super_Deluxe

      What usage metrics? Care to post a link?

    • It’s Me

      Various. Piper Jeffery is one study I can think of that is very recent. Links don’t post here well. Try these terms in google search:

      “Gene Munster of Piper Jaffray ios android mobile traffic”

    • Super_Deluxe

      Will do. But if it is true then it does make sense because of the whole issue with privacy.

    • Mike Simpson

      ya you cheap person. go to the dollar store.

    • Super_Deluxe

      If I’m “cheap” because I won’t spend money on random apps that won’t use then sure.. .

    • Mike Simpson

      that wont use?

    • Mike Simpson

      the only apps the wont use are android apps because they suck

    • Super_Deluxe

      Ok then if they suck then the iOS version also suck because they’re the exact same. And do mean a small favor, get off that Apple kool-aid and come back to reality, that way you’ll make more sense.

    • Mike Simpson

      just because your broke its all good. i bet you download music for free too. well i pay for mine.

    • Super_Deluxe

      Actually I don’t. I stream it and then buy the album if I like it. And what makes you think I’m broke? I pay for whatever I like and that’s it, I’m not rich enough to buy anything I point my eyes at.

    • Mike Simpson

      you have probably not bought an album in 50years.

    • monsterduc1000

      Don’t worry Super, Mike isn’t rich either because he’s still paying off his loan for his hypePhone, hypeMac and hypePad :)

    • Mike Simpson

      lol. i live in a mansion.

    • Super_Deluxe

      Yeah in your little fantasy world where apple’s products are perfect.

    • monsterduc1000

      The vast space between your ears is not a mansion

    • Victor_Creed

      The YMCA is hardly what I’d call a mansion

    • Unorthodox

      You’re probably one of those morons who pays for a half an hour of golf, just to be part of “rich guys” crowd.

  • Wufai

    People can complain about Apple all they want, but app developers still prefer Apple over andriod. You might think fingerprint reader lacks innovation, but it will be a function more used than any of the new features by the S4. I switched from apple to andriod. andriod serves me better but I also can’t deny apple’s iphone does present some very good function I would want dearly for my andriod system.

    • monsterduc1000

      There’s probably an app for that :)

    • Unorthodox

      To me, Moto X’ “OK Google now” is way, way higher level of innovation than a fingerprint scanner with 2 functions. Even if my phone had that scanner, I’d turn it off. For sure, Samsung will bite the lure, and start placing this crap on their phones too. That’s why I stick with Motorola and Sony.

    • Wufai

      Want to quickly address the ‘fingerprint’ function and why I think it is a good feature. Every 10mins when I want to use my phone, I have to enter my password to unlock it. takes 2 sec, but I use my phone often at intervals. With the fingerprint function I’d never have to do this routine task. pressing 1 button instead of 6 might seem medicore, but over the course of a few years the time saved adds up.

    • Mike Simpson

      very valid. apple does fingerprint “right”, moto did it “wrong”

    • thedosbox

      Fingerprints make for poor security. If someone can capture your fingerprint data, you have zero chance of changing your fingerprint.

    • Wufai

      Oh I see! Thanks for the clarification! I didn’t know it’s the norm for thiefs to dust/collect and remold fingerprints when they steal your iphone. Those fingerprint duplications from mission impossible movies must be real.

    • Andrew_notPorC

      You mean using scotch tape to lift a finger print? Yeah, that’s some real Q stuff there.

    • thedosbox

      Gotta love it when clueless people post about technology.

      An encoding of your fingerpint is stored on the phone. All someone needs to do is steal that file and decrypt it. They can then use that data to impersonate you. Good luck changing your fingerprint.

      A more low tech way would be for someone looking to access your phone simply to grab your hand and swipe it over the sensor. They then have access to everything on the phone, along with the accounts associated with your fingerprint.

    • It’s Me

      Ummm, you know moto tried the fingerprint scanner first, right? It worked like crap and no one used it, but they tried. So, um, keeping sticking with moto for not using the crap they are using…

      Logic. It’s not for everyone.

    • Unorthodox

      There’s absolutely nothing illogical in my post. Moto tried it on one phone, and dropped it as crap. Now they are trying Touch free control. Then they’ll try something else. Basically, you summed up my point, but then accused me for the lack of logical thinking?

    • It’s Me

      You said you would stick with moto because the other would start the same crap. Yet, moto started that crap first. Granted, you are right, their implementation was crap, but still, even if they weren’t very competent, they still tried the crap first. You are avoid crap by sticking the company you acknowledge was first with the crap.

      So, um, yeah, you statement was illogical. What’s next, you stick with laying in the sub with no subscreen to avoid sunburns?

      Logic!

    • Mike Simpson

      if you want your phone always listening to you, go right ahead. LOLOLOLOL.

    • Unorthodox

      Yes. Why is it bothering you, Mike Simpson? Or should I say Osama Longbeard?

    • Swordfish

      I’ve always said, people who buy iPhones don’t know much about technology but want to have access to it. Those who buy Android phones have a good grasp of technology and want to get the most out of it.
      Developing for iPhones is easier because you only have one hardware platform where as Android has multiple platforms which makes it more difficult.

    • hyperhyper

      I just thought of a fun game to play on college drunks who get the 5s. When they pass out at a party, take their phone out and put their finger on the phone to unlock it. Then reprogram it for someone else’s fingerprint. Don’t tell them and let them go nuts for a bit the next day before telling them (and before they wipe their phone). Wonder if Apple has a way to remotely reset the fingerprint for this situation?

  • Tony Sarju

    Tim Cook is hi-larious.

  • Samuel Gomez Recuero

    I don’t know many people with two phones let alone that those that might will have two phones with different OSes. I do know 2-3 that have an Android phone and apple tablet but I can count them with the fingers of one hand. So that article is really up for debate. These days is hard to really innovate, todays is more of better performance and stability of your product while maintainning good build quality. Also better use of your components as well as to improve on them (Adroid OEMs camaera comes to mind). If you can do this while innovating great but if not you are better off making your product better.

    Apple while not truly innovating since the introduction of the retina display, have managed to make their products better by introducing and integrating technologies into their iPhone like the camera app and the recently announced figerprint reader, that while not new technology promises to be well tied into the device making it usable. It rest to be seen if it will pick up outside of the apple world (sites, banking, paying, etc), in a field where NFC use is now being accepted and work on by many big players out there who want to exploit it.

  • Tom Adams

    I can see this point for tablets but not for phones. I have had all sorts of devices and I can see how android benefits smartphones but for tablets I find I prefer the iPad mostly because I greatly prefer the browsers on the ipad and that is really my tablets main use

    • rmonster

      Either Tim Cook or the article aren’t really that clear, but I think what Cook is referencing is the survey data that claims that users of Apple devices make up the greater part of mobile web browsing, despite superior market share for Android. That is, people that own Apple devices tend to use a lot more apps and browse the web a lot more on them than Android users do.

      Why this is is up for debate; nobody’s quite sure why this would be the case.

      I think it would be interesting to see the division within the Android owners camps; I have a suspicion that people that buy HTC Ones and S4s and the other flagship phones browse a lot more than people with the small, crappy phones. Basically, affluence drives browsing more than device affiliation.

  • Joe Delgado

    So I get: the people who have an Android phone also have an Apple phone and use that instead.
    Who does that lol?

    • Jean-Francois Messier

      I don’t. I only have Android phones and always stayed away from iAnything (to stay polite and not offend anyone).

    • Swordfish

      Do these i****s honestly believe people buy an Android phone and then don’t use it? What a moronic statement!!

    • Mike Simpson

      yes its actually true. ask a sales rep at Rogers/Telus/ and Bell. they are told to push android on every customer. sales reps also get paid more.

    • DL1119

      since you’re so bored camping outside of the apple store now, you should read your own replies sometimes, it’s funny, because they don’t make any sense.

  • RealDeal83

    “Our primary objective is to sell a great phone and provide a great experience, and we figured out a way to do it at a lower cost.” Yet they are selling it at the same price they sold the 4s for when the 5 came out. Basically they made a cheaper iPhone 5 and are selling it at the same price. Anyone claiming this to be good for the consumer is deranged.

    • Zee

      That’s the one thing they’re great at — making tons of money. They use older tech, market it as something new and charge a premium. How else can you explain cheaper plastic phones and yet the price is still the same? Higher profit margins! Same thing happened with the iPad mini — they took the old iPad 2 chip, slapped it in a smaller form factor and charged a premium for it. There are enough suckers to pay the extra money so they can have the apple logo on the back. Silly, but it’s the way the world works. Apple has figured out how to soak people for money. They’re the best at it.

  • vn33

    Apple, there’s a difference between trash talk, and being arrogant. You come across as the latter! iPhone are well made and if people are willing to pay a premium for it, sure, more power to them. However, it is sad to see it has become such a status symbol of “bling” that even the ones who cannot afford it, buy iPhones.
    I’m just more comfortable with the fact there an Android for all people, in all market segments, who actually want a device they can use and do whatever they want with it, not just a status symbol.

  • grantdude

    We don’t want to make cheap phones. We just figured out how to make it cheap. That just makes a lot of sense.

    • monsterduc1000

      Lol, A $600 16gb cheap phone…

    • Mike Simpson

      apple customers are rich, your poor.

    • monsterduc1000

      It’s not my fault you are blinded by marketing and can’t see the value in a product that innovates instead of rests on its laurels after the man who created everything dies…

    • Mike Simpson

      says the dude with a samsung. LOLOLOLOLOL.

    • monsterduc1000

      You betcha. Thanks for validating my point. I got a great phone with an advanced Amoled screen (backlit lcd on yours right? how are those bland colours and washed out blacks), brought the stylus back in a huge way with great features and ease of use, a screen size that is great for browsing, gaming and multi-media functions, multi-window support so I can have two apps running on the screen at the same time, etc., etc., etc,. and it still fits into my pocket easily.

      You have diminished your comments to 10 year old levels because you and your phone have nothing to offer…

    • Mike Simpson

      blah blah blah, whos reading all that?

    • monsterduc1000

      People who know how to be informed and choose what they want and not be spoon fed like Apple customers.

    • dropplace

      You aren’t rich so why are you commenting that

    • Mike Simpson

      actually i am.

    • monsterduc1000

      Doubt it.

    • Mike Simpson

      if i use an iphone, and you use a android, likely chance i have more money then you.

      you are probably on a shitty network too.

      i use bell, the best LTE network with the fastest speeds in canada.

    • Victor_Creed

      Wow, who knew McDonald’s paid so well?

    • Paul Branchaud

      So is you’re grammer and speeling. Pour, that is…

      But seriously, what’s your point of trolling what appears to be every different comment? Are people no longer allowed to have an opinion? Perhaps you feel they’re uninformed, and that’s your right, but some evidence to support your points would go a long way to making you look credible.

  • Mike Simpson

    Sales people at Rogers/Bell/Telus and get paid MORE TO SELL ANDROID PHONES then iphones! this is why!

  • Mike Simpson

    Sales people get commission for selling Android phones. Most customers walk in saying , i want the iphone, see the plan its on and its too expensive, so they take the android alternative. this is common knowledge.

    • Sylvain Larive

      Are you for real or are you an Apple bot?! If Android makers are able to make a good user experience (a fact I know you’ll dispute but pretty hard to refute in the wake of Android’s Q2 results nearing 80%) at a lower price point, what is wrong with that?

  • Mike Simpson

    any down vote does not know that sales people at Rogers/Telus and Bell make more money selling android phones then iphones! my friends work at the store and they tell me that they are told to push android on every customer.

    • thedosbox

      While that may be true (because carriers don’t want to be overly reliant on apple), it’s not a point worth repeating three times.

    • Mike Simpson

      just making sure people understand.

    • Mike Simpson

      Telus is also in bed with Samsung, and Samsung pay out double and discount there phones triple just for the market share.

    • dropplace

      that doesn’t change the fact that the iPhone is inferior

    • Oilersfan74

      BS, my daughter works for a Telus dealer and she says that’s not the case.

    • Mike Simpson

      shes lying then.

    • Mike Simpson

      i know for 100% fact it is true. they also get ISC (in store credit) to discount android phones (make it easy to sell) and push out more sales. make more commission.

    • Mike Simpson

      please do more study, just asking your daughter would not validate your statement

    • Mike Simpson

      there is never any in store credit on iphones, because iphones are good.

    • thedosbox

      Um, no. Apple has the power in their carrier relationships. Margins on iphone hardware are tiny for the carrier in comparison to most android devices. Hence, carriers will always prefer a customer buy an android device – after all, they’re still going to pay the same monthly plan amount.

    • Mike Simpson

      INCORRECT!!!! S3 IS AVAILABLE ON SMART PICK PLANS, AND DATA LITE. IPHONE 4S IS NOT!!!!

    • thedosbox

      *sigh* do you even understand English? They don’t want iphone users on cheaper plans because they have to make up the slimmer hardware profits elsewhere.

    • Mike Simpson

      the plans are not the same? what are you talking about?

    • dropplace

      uneducated fool

    • Mike Simpson

      elaborate oh, educated one.

    • monsterduc1000

      Good for glass shattered backs and dented/scratched aluminum.

    • monsterduc1000

      That’s because Apple is a rip off company that wants to gouge their customers to the utmost with minor updates. I have a buddy who works at an Apple store and he told me that Apple does not offer discounts to the seller (even their own stores…) so the seller has no choice but to keep the product at a higher price.

    • Emily Nelson

      I work for a Telus Dealer – it’s true, we dont make anything on iphone as far as commission (probably around a dollar), and thats just based on what iphone agreed with Telus. We as a dealer dont push any phone really, and it is true Telus is “in bed” with Samsung. Those who dont work for a ‘dealer’ of the big 3’s work based on commission, thats why they have to push phones or their let go because they dont make their numbers!

    • Mike Simpson

      correct. and most customers do not get a phone from a dealer store.

    • FlamesFan89

      Oh, I see, so the only reason that Android makes up something like 40% of the smartphone market share compared to Apple’s 26% is solely due to the fact that sales people at Rogers, Bell, and Telus are told to sell them and make commission. Is that what you are saying? So when the Samsung Galaxy S4 sold 10 MILLION units in the first 28 days on store shelves, that was only because of sales people at Rogers, Bell, and Telus being told to push them.

      riiiiiiiiight.

      It couldn’t possibly be because there are millions of people that actively, using their own decision making ability, choose a flagship Android phone over the iPhone. Nope, that couldn’t possibly be the reason.

    • Mike Simpson

      you would be surprised. your speaking on assumption. im speaking on facts.

    • FlamesFan89

      No, I’m giving you facts. 10 million S4’s were sold in 28 days, WORLDWIDE. You do NOT have sales figures like that simply because a sales guy in a store is telling you to buy the most expensive Android phone on the market. If you think that is truly the case then there is absolutely no helping you. The kool-aid is in your system already and you will soon be staring into a bright light, or is it a gaudy gold colour? ;)

    • Mike Simpson

      samsung is the wannabe apple of the android world. chill out flames. lol.

    • dropplace

      show me these facts

  • Sean McConnell

    Ha!

  • skullan

    “Monday, February 12, 2007 · 3:43 pm ·
    63 Comments

    “The recent launch of Apple’s iPhone does not pose a threat to
    Research In Motion Ltd.’s consumer-geared BlackBerry Pearl and simply
    marks the entry of yet another competitor into the smartphone market,
    RIM’s co-chief executive said in an interview,” Wojtek Dabrowski reports
    for Reuters.”

    • Mike Simpson

      BBRY is a zombie cuz they are speaking while dead.

    • skullan

      You’re missing the point. That was a comment made by Blackberry in 2007 about the iPhone. Now, Apple is making similar comments.

    • Mike Simpson

      i dont see any similarity. did you go to school?

    • skullan

      “There’s always a large junk part of the market… We’re not in the junk business.”” – Cook.

      “The recent launch of Apple’s iPhone does not pose a threat to
      Research In Motion Ltd.’s consumer-geared BlackBerry Pearl and simply
      marks the entry of yet another competitor into the smartphone market” — RIM, 2007.

      If you can’t see the similarities…

      Beyond that, I’m ignoring your attempts at arguing.

    • Mike Simpson

      iphone was never geard towards the low end of the market?!?!?!?! what are you saying?

      infact iphones are the reason SERVICE PROVIDERS STARTED SELLING DATA!!!

  • Shane Kweens

    This arrogant clown guaranteed I will never buy an Apple product again. Jobs was a professional and commanded some respect at least. I want to support value oriented Android products because I am a smart consumer. I don’t need to pay a premium for an inferior iPhone to be part of the crowd. He should be very worried about low cost handsets flooding the market because it will be Apple’s undoing.

    • Mike Simpson

      apple does not want shane kweens to have an iphone dont worry. Apple will do just fine with out any of Shane Kweens money.

    • Shane Kweens

      Apple wants sheeple like Mike to blindly follow the herd.

  • FlamesFan89

    You don’t even understand the difference between “your” and “you’re”, which means there is no point in taking YOUR posts seriously.

    • Mike Simpson

      because you have no argument you result to picking on grammer. lol

      grow up, this is the internet, not a essay.

    • dropplace

      but all of your arguments are invalid wtf? Who are you to apple anyways? That’s right, nobody

    • Emily Nelson

      this stuff brings great joy to my work day aha.

    • FlamesFan89

      YOUR argument has been that rich people buy iphones. That is sad, and not even true. Yes, rich people buy iphones, but it isn’t exclusively rich people that buy iphones.

      The kool-aid running down your legs is showing, you might want to go take care of that.

    • Mike Simpson

      no rich person has a laggy android.

    • FlamesFan89

      wow, you’ve been reduced to the point where you can’t even string together a proper sentence. I see that having a fully functioning brain isn’t a prerequisite for owning an iphone.

    • Mike Simpson

      yes mr. flames from Calgary lol

    • FlamesFan89

      I’m not from Calgary and that is irrelevant. You are a sad sad man Mike Simpson.

    • Mike Simpson

      lol

    • Victor_Creed

      This coming from a guy who’s “rich” and “lives in a mansion”, yet has grade school level “grammer” and spelling skills. BTW “grammer” is spelled grammar. I guess your fancy iPhone doesn’t have spell check?

      Good job invalidating all your comments. Congrats you are now irrelevant. Come back when you finish grade school.

    • Alex McIlwaine

      The mansion is in the Sims…he just neglected that bit ;)

    • Peter

      By the way, it’s grammar and not grammer. Hehe!

    • Shane Kweens

      So funny!

  • Mike Simpson

    PEOPLE ON MOBILE SYRUP, REJOICE!!

    Android lacks quality because it’s all about quantity to them(ANDROID).

    • dropplace

      Yet Apple’s products are overpriced because it’s all about profits to them.

  • companyemails

    He must be referring to the US market only since world wide that is definitely not the truth. I also find it funny that they take the time to prop up their new product by going out of their way to talk trash about the competition. The problem is that they slammed the competition after going out of their way to heavily borrow most of the new functionality (and a fair bit of their new styling) directly from Android. This smacks of that old attitude where something is garbage if someone else does it, but brilliant if I do it. It is also making apple look and sound more like Microsoft every day – (read, using Nathan Myrvold’s strategy of discrediting any product or market you are not doing well in, then copy it). IN the mean time, I don’t think I have ever heard The team at Google publicly attack apple or any other competitor.

    • Mike Simpson

      ” The problem is that they slammed the competition after going out of their way to heavily borrow most of the new functionality (and a fair bit of their new styling) directly from Android”

      where is an article to support this?

    • Sylvain Larive

      Don’t know why I bother but anyways… The new multitask is a blatant copy of Android’s. Where do you think the notification tray came from? The new FLAT look is heavily copied on HTC’s sense and MIUI and even Windows Phone. Messenger integration, Twitter Integration, Camera Lockscreen, OTA updates were all on Android first.

    • barrist

      So which is it, HTC Sense, MIUI or Windows Phone? The fact that multple UI’s incorporate this look shows that it’s not some patented secret special design. It’s just a type of design. Fans of other phones wouldn’t be complaining about “copying” so much if Apple wasn’t successful in implementing these ideas better than the supposed originators.

    • Sylvain Larive

      I like your dual logic. Apple is better because they innovate, yet when they copy, it’s OK because they’re doing it better. Kinda in line with Steve Jobs train of thought that Android was a ripoff but he says he doesn’t mind copying.

      I DON’T CARE when technology advances and it pushes one company to better the other, APPLE However is the schoolyard bully, suing everybody yet they come crying home to mama when they get singled out for copying.

      So which is it? Is Apple innovating or just good at trying to perfect other people’s ideas?

    • Victor_Creed

      Check one of the papers lying around at the McDonald’s you work at. Might find an article in there.

    • Mike Simpson

      lol funny joke

  • iPhart

    I always ROTFL when I see buyer to brag with the profit of his seller.

    • Mike Simpson

      apple customers have brand loyalty!!!

      do you know what that is?

    • monsterduc1000

      Who cares about brand loyalty. It’s all about the best product for the best price, which is certainly not Apple.

    • Mike Simpson

      for you its all a about cheapest

    • monsterduc1000

      It’s dips like you that keep idiotic companies like Apple profitable because you support whatever overpriced Crap they put out. You wouldn’t know innovation if it came up and slapped you. But you sure know how to be suckered.

    • Alex McIlwaine

      Brand loyalty is pretty stupid though. Watched Apple products for many years and the only ones I felt compelled to buy were an iPod (back in the day) and an iPod touch a few years back. Other than that it’s all overpriced or of no practical use/interest to me personally.

      Basically saying “brand loyalty” with regards to Apple is a bit like saying having loyalty to Rogers or Bell for your cell phone. Patently, that’s a laughable position to take.

    • Mike Simpson

      brand loyalty makes apple more successful then most other IT companies.

  • FlamesFan89

    high price =/= quality

    Sorry, let me write that out for you in words as you may not have the brain power to comprehend what I have written above.

    A high price does not equate to a quality product. While a quality product MIGHT also have a high price, a quality product can also have a low price. That is up to the producer of the product.

    • RoboBonobo

      But Apple products are quality… that’s why people continue to pay “overpriced” prices to obtain them.

    • FlamesFan89

      Yes, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t quality Android products as well, and for much lower prices.

    • Mike Simpson

      Nokia/Microsoft will eventually take over the bottom half of the market because WP runs better then android.

    • flamesfan89

      i take that back sorry guys, i was wrong.

    • FlamesFan89

      You know that you haven’t got a leg to on when you resort impersonating other posters.

  • Mike Simpson

    i agree with Mike Simpson. Mobile Syrup is bias.

    • FlamesFan89

      This is just getting pathetic on your part Mike.

    • Sylvain Larive

      I agree with Mike Simpson, Mike Simpson is a tool. Pretty clear by now you’re just stirring the pot, not trying to add anything to this discussion…

    • Victor_Creed

      That’s generally how grade school children act.

  • Eric Ly

    Does fruit not rot when it is not being used?

  • Shane Kweens

    Baaaa….baaaaaa

  • Alex McIlwaine

    “they MAKE more PROFIT then any other company.”

    False.

  • Paul Figueiredo

    “Does a unit of market share matter if it’s not being used?”

    Uh….yes. You’re a stupid stupid businessman if you don’t think so.

    I’m sure he’s trying to make some argument regarding residual/ongoing revenue (ie. apps) vs the one time revenue of a phone purchase. But the reality is that if they keep losing market share, there simply won’t be as many people adding INTO that ongoing revenue stream. If he doesn’t understand that, than he is more clueless I previously thought.

    • HelloCDN

      Lol, I guess he shold take a business advice from a guy who comments on MobileSyrup. Let me guess, you got an A+ in Business 101?

    • Verdic

      Assuming you aren’t losing money on the initial sale, would you prefer to make that initial sale or not? Very simple question. Who cares if someone buys 100 of them to burn in a bonfire, if you make money it doesn’t matter if the buyer uses it or not.

      Actually, the best case is the user that upgrades every year without selling his old one. That way you get residual income and no new supply on the secondary market – however that does mean there are a number of phones not being used.

    • Shane Kweens

      He has a point. Simple economics really.

  • jonnny

    The Nexus 4 is far superior to even the latest iPhone, yet costs much less. Apple prices high for status and brand, not for quality of the device or OS. I only know one person now who has an iPhone. Everyone else dumped Apple and is very happy on Android – mostly on S3’s and S4’s and Notes 2’s. Its always fun to see an Apple user switch to Android and be amazed at how much more useful it is.

    • Zed

      I dislike Apple in general, but I disagree that the N4 is “far superiod” to the latest iphone. The camera on the nexus is ok at best and I don’t particularly like the screen. But quality/price, sure.

  • jonnny

    I would say more people dont use their iPhones. All past and present iPhone users I know have multiple old iPhones sitting in a drawer, or they give it to their young children to play with.

  • Josh Brown

    So how do they get all that profit? By making a inferior product and charging more for it.

  • Douglas McFarlane

    My iPhone is an a drawer. Get over it Apple, not eveyone likes your product.

  • rjmlive

    The problem with the Iphone 5c/s is that they are only maybe appealing to current Apple/iphone customers. They are the most likely customer willing to spend a premium to get these devices at all. Apple is going to cling to the top end of the market, where the money is, but Windows Phone is designed to run extremely efficiently on basic hardware and going to take volume in every global market because of price point, not unlike older versions of Android.

    I think Apple will still sell a lot of these devices, but I think they are cornering themselves like BB did.

    I think there is going to be a shift soon enough. Android will slide, Apple will continue with moderate increases, but Windows Phone is going to challenge Apple for number 2 sooner than people think.

  • Zed

    Problem Android is having right now is that low end Android phones are general cr@p. This is turn brings about poor reputation. Kid gets low end, affordable, Android phone – kid sees his phone is slower/has less games/breaks down faster than the other kids’ iphone – kid asks for iphone next. Old people see kids with iphones, old people think kids know technology best, old people buy iphones. Old people buy iphones, middle aged people might follow the advice of the elders and such and such and such.

  • Zed

    “We really want to enrich people’s lives”. I think he means he wants to enrich his life. It’s no secret that iPhones have some of the highest margins, if not the highest.

  • Billy

    That’s what it takes to be a CEO, this guy and the other Bell guy saying he’s not afraid after Verizon backs out. You have to say these things with a straight face.

  • Mike Simpson

    Its great to know Apple wont backdown! They stand by the values that made this company so great.

  • Esteban Torres

    Ios7 is a complete copy of android’s unique features. You know apple is doomed when they can’t even come up with their own user interface features

    • Mike Simpson

      good one Esteban, did you think of that all on your own?

    • HelloCDN

      Jesus, whenever I hear about Android’s “unique” features, I take out my Galaxy S4, and sincerely try to find one. Every time I fail. Well, except may be for the part where Android requires an anti-virus – yeah, that’s unique.
      Can’t wait to switch my phone – haven’t decided yet whether it’s gonna be Lumia 1020 or iPhone 5s.

    • monsterduc1000

      Unless you are a dumb@SS and side load $#!+ from untested sources outside of the Play Store or Amazon App Store, there is absolutely no reason to have an anti virus app on your Android. I would run them every once and a while (then deleted them as they found nothing) when I first got into Android phones 4 years ago and not once have I ever had a virus.

      I guess you don’t like the features where you are watching a video and when you look away it pauses, or that you can just hover your finger over an e-mail to preview it, or if your hands are filthy and you don’t want to touch your phone to answer it you can just wave over it to answer, or you can have your phone stop screen rotating by just looking at it and it will lock into position even if you decide to lay down or sit up. These all seem like pretty unique features to me… I guess these are more Samsung features, but hey, it’s an Android :)

    • kroms

      Ive owned all the Nexus models and NEVER ever had an issue with them. I guess we must be Smarter ? then the average iSheep ? User . I don’t know .
      You are correct though. If you install only from the Play store your fine. On that note, I remember one time when with My Iphone 2g I have unlocked an Jail broken it and had 1 issue with it but that was because I installed Apps from a NON Itunes Source.
      SO yes you are correct , Stick to the Official Store and your fine. That goes for Every Platform.

    • HelloCDN

      That’s right, I don’t use it. Guess why? Because my battery was dying within 6 hours and Samsung service center told me to turn them off.

    • kroms

      LMAO . Well that EXPLAINS it !!

      “Every time ( i fail ) ”

      iSheep are not capable of using any smartphone other then Apple so really the Phone is not the problem.
      Of course that would only be TRUE if you indeed purchased an S4 ….which no one actually believes you have since only iSheep post BS statements such as yours.

      Just stick to your iPhone $s with a larger screen and be happy. Soon they will come out with the iphone 6. ( Sames as Iphone 5 only larger ) and all the iSheep will hail it as the NEXT major thing.

    • HelloCDN

      Relax bro. It’s ok. Android is the best. Only the chosen ones like you can use it, the rest are iSheep.
      It’s ok. Relax. Eat a Kit Kat ;)

    • downhilldude

      Well, you’re kind of right as they aren’t “unique” as iPhone has them now too.

    • 01011001001

      Lumia 1020 is not bad in terms of build quality as for WP its alright. It’s obviously missing big name apps such as flipboard that apparently it’s coming… As for other apps such as Dropbox it has skydrive that works well and xbox music is great for 10 bucks a month.

  • Billy

    I said it over 2 years ago and I’ll say it again: Apple will be in the single-digit market share within 5 years and be no more than a niche product for die-hards like the Mac.

  • rgl168

    I have one iPod Touch 3rd Gen and one iPhone 3GS that are currently in the drawer. So I guess your products don’t enrich my life either.

  • Audrey Burne

    The people that keep saying “after _____ phone comes out apple is going to crash” can keep on dreaming. Cause people have been saying that every year and it doesn’t happen. People thought they were toast when Android gained such significant amount of market share over the months but they still end up stinking rich.

    • Sylvain Larive

      They end up stinking rich selling YOU overpriced accessories, ripping up programmers with huge app store fees and price fixing book and music prices.

      I don’t quite understand why I should be proud of a company whom I would be devoted to is filthy rich.

    • Audrey Burne

      I did not tell you or anyone to be proud of the company. Why are you so angry? Stinking rich is a negative connotation! I agree with what you say completely. I’m just stating the truth and what I feel about the comments in this section.

    • Jeffery Smith

      They’re not selling you anything if you DON’T buy it. People buy iPhone because they like Iphone, people buy Android because they like Android. Why does this simple process hurts people feelings??

  • kroms

    iSheep are starting to line up !! I love it when I’m at the Mall and take a photo of ALL the iSheep in line. The look excited! LOL

    WTF is wrong with Humans! LOL

  • Frank Reiter

    That was a pretty disingenuous final statement considering how many of IOS ‘s new features are just copying things Android users have long had.

    • 01011001001

      That statement is for BlackBerry…

    • Frank Reiter

      It is not for BB, it is for Android. Apple used to brag about worldwide market share, but then Android passed them. Then they bragged about US market share, but Android passed them there too. Not they brag about some statistic that says Apple customers use their devices more than Android customers do.

      Apple doesn’t talk about BB, because they are not a significant threat.

    • 01011001001

      I was referring to the statement that if a company stops innovating they die – in this case, Blackberry.

      apple may have stop innovating but the fact is that they’re still selling millions of iphones a year and regardless of the fact that they’re not innovating that’s irrelevant. Right or wrong people love their products.

    • Frank Reiter

      Yes, perception always lag reality. Many people perceive iProducts as being superior because a couple years ago they were. Likewise I’ve read that Microsoft has pretty much fixed the things people most disliked about their Surface products with the recent release, but I don’t expect many people will care, at least for now.

    • 01011001001

      at this point there’s no arguing which phone is better, people buy what they want, afford, make them happy and what suits them. The iPhone for all intent and purposes is seen as the bar in the smartphone industry, again right or wrong, real or perceive. I don’t think that’s changing anytime soon.

      Apple pretty much follow the design principle of Porsche, MB and BMW, subtle changes are done each yr at least exteriorly, and some on the inside and added new features (touch ID) and improved the camera, wifi AC etc. which will likely stay from here on out and be improved. They don’t have to be first to have this feature or that feature either but they actually do perfect it for the iPhone when they do add it to their phones.

      They’ve proven year in year out that their approach and their design philosophy to the iPhone is not broken so why change it? It makes them a ton of money, makes their shareholders money through dividends and employ a ton of people worldwide – directly and indirectly.

      Good on them.

  • Jeffery Smith

    The funniest thing about these comments are how easily people get offended over a damn phone!! It’s actually comical; who the hell cares what a billionaire CEO and company says about a competitor’s device, sheesh. I love my GS3 and will continue to use it regardless if someone that I don’t personally know says it’s junk and you should too.

    All these companies are just using as pawns anyway so that they can become as rich as possible. Do you think Apple, Google, Samsung, MS etc. actually give two **** about us?! Their main goal is to get rich as possible and please all the shareholders.

    • kroms

      Amen Brother. I hear that.

  • Carmen Leung

    i would buy the phone outright rather than just going on a contract. Makes more sense that way

  • downhilldude

    Yes. It does matter, and Apple knows this all too well. They do it too.

  • redheadednomad

    Cook & The Gang: Elitist, blind to hard fact and generally dickish. Is Apple Maps an example of “evolve or die”?