View Full Version : Rogers 21 Mbps HSPA+ network started!
underwhere
07-28-2009, 07:21 AM
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http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/07/28/rogers-begins-to-build-out-hspa-wireless-network/
Rogers "has begun the Canada-wide deployment of a 21 Megabits per second (Mbps) high-speed HSPA+ (High Speed Packet Access Plus) wireless network, following the successful expansion and doubling of speed of its high-speed network to 7.2 Mbps last year.”"
GilbertP23
07-28-2009, 08:05 AM
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http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/07/28/rogers-begins-to-build-out-hspa-wireless-network/
Rogers "has begun the Canada-wide deployment of a 21 Megabits per second (Mbps) high-speed HSPA+ (High Speed Packet Access Plus) wireless network, following the successful expansion and doubling of speed of its high-speed network to 7.2 Mbps last year.”"
Bah... this is getting annoying.. Cell phone tech is moving too quickly.. Arent 7.2MBPS HSPA phones coming out just now?? Will this require new phones or will the HSPA phones download at 21 mbps all of a sudden.
Also why is Battery tech not moving as quickly? These phones will probably last 2hrs on a full charge based on what my Android gets on the HSPA networks.
underwhere
07-28-2009, 09:56 AM
maybe they have started only to tempt those who want to go to telus/bell new network. Rogers always has to be one step ahead
Kronk86
07-28-2009, 02:22 PM
maybe they have started only to tempt those who want to go to telus/bell new network. Rogers always has to be one step ahead
Agreed...Plus, i have the iPhone 3G S and never have i had 7.2Mb/s downlink. 3-4 maybe...once i got 5 and i was really excited.
These numbers mean nothing. It all depends on real world use.
I am sure that for the first few months (when nobody has a phone capable of taking advantage) it will be great.
Once they roll out more phones that can use it, then the saturation will be just as bad as now, and no one will ever see those speeds.
An aside: Yes, that does mean all new phones. The current phones aren't capable of using those speeds.
Plus Rogers said the launch will only be an Internet stick... No actual phones
DJOnEChuck
07-28-2009, 09:16 PM
Do you think it will be offering only by Rogers ? Or Fido is going to get the same network because they are sharing ? It's weird to think that a discount brand is going to have a better network than the 2 others majors (Bell and Telus).
Kronk86
07-29-2009, 01:45 AM
Do you think it will be offering only by Rogers ? Or Fido is going to get the same network because they are sharing ? It's weird to think that a discount brand is going to have a better network than the 2 others majors (Bell and Telus).
Why is that weird? It has always been like that.
We will see what the real world speeds of this new network are....I have a feeling that TELUS and Bell will still be some good competition with their 14Mbps network.
bittersweet
07-29-2009, 08:07 AM
how fast is this actually? Anyone got a video of these speeds in action.
(Could not find one)
12345
07-30-2009, 11:38 AM
don't know, but I heard that Rogers has some unique BB they are test with
http://www.berryreview.com/2009/07/30/rogers-hspa-21mbps-rollout-starting-august-using-special-rim-devices-for-speed-testing/
Canada sure does sound to be leading the charge, too bad our rates are still higher than most countries :(
Kronk86
07-30-2009, 09:15 PM
Canada sure does sound to be leading the charge, too bad our rates are still higher than most countries :(
They sure are.
TELUS and Bell have the largest/fastest full contry HSPA network launching.
Rogers has only said they are releasing a Rocket Stick with the 21Mbps network. It will be another year or two before phones are capable of those speeds :(
By then LTE will be in full swing on all carriers in North America.
You think will increase the data plans?
urbnlgcy
08-06-2009, 03:31 AM
They sure are.
TELUS and Bell have the largest/fastest full contry HSPA network launching.
Rogers has only said they are releasing a Rocket Stick with the 21Mbps network. It will be another year or two before phones are capable of those speeds :(
By then LTE will be in full swing on all carriers in North America.
I'd look for LTE adoption to be in "full swing" by maybe 2014, which means you could do a contract or two along the way. Launch multiple networks 1-2 years at a time is way too expensive for Canadian carriers to do (especially if the economic climate continues to decline).
2014 is probably a good estimate. Wonder what phones will be like then
Kronk86
08-06-2009, 06:54 PM
I'd look for LTE adoption to be in "full swing" by maybe 2014, which means you could do a contract or two along the way. Launch multiple networks 1-2 years at a time is way too expensive for Canadian carriers to do (especially if the economic climate continues to decline).
I don't know if you pay attention to the news or politics, but the Canadian governgment officially stated the resession is over.
I know when TELUS plans on having their LTE network up and running, and it is definitely sooner the 2014. That is all i can say.
Kronk86
08-07-2009, 02:25 AM
How much faster us lte?
Hypothetically? It will be able to go to 100+Mbps downlink.
40Mbps is probably going to be the standard right from the beginning though.
LTE is still a very new technology. If we think back to when HSPA was first launched, it had certain limitations. Then HSPA+ was developed, and moving forward LTE.
Exciting times we live in. Anyone remember watching shows like Star Trek and thinking 'yeah right! We will never have touch screen communications devices!'. Or was i the only one?
Little did i know, the first touch screen was invented right around the same time as that same show really because popular. Who knew?
mytime
08-07-2009, 08:59 AM
Hypothetically? It will be able to go to 100+Mbps downlink.
40Mbps is probably going to be the standard right from the beginning though.
That is blazing fast compared to today!!!! :eek:
bittersweet
08-15-2009, 03:17 PM
Hypothetically? It will be able to go to 100+Mbps downlink.
40Mbps is probably going to be the standard right from the beginning though.
LTE is still a very new technology. If we think back to when HSPA was first launched, it had certain limitations. Then HSPA+ was developed, and moving forward LTE.
Exciting times we live in. Anyone remember watching shows like Star Trek and thinking 'yeah right! We will never have touch screen communications devices!'. Or was i the only one?
Little did i know, the first touch screen was invented right around the same time as that same show really because popular. Who knew?
That's amazing speeds. Think how fast that actually is if today we thinkn that 7.2 is fast. Guess the next wave of never going to be going to the office, working straight from your mobile phone is the goal.
mytime
08-26-2009, 08:19 PM
I wish they would release an actual device rather than a USB stick
julienrl
08-26-2009, 11:45 PM
they can't release one, they don't exist yet.
Also, most companies have an LTE plan for 2011, and rogers has a tendency to announce their plans 2-3 years before the national rollout for the pr meaning that only select areas will have it for the next year or so... who can blame them, cutting edge is always cool :p. This means other companies should be 1 year late at worst, so no worries for anyone reading this wondering if they can keep their current service provider and still get the cutting edge :)
Kronk86
08-27-2009, 01:43 AM
they can't release one, they don't exist yet.
Also, most companies have an LTE plan for 2011, and rogers has a tendency to announce their plans 2-3 years before the national rollout for the pr meaning that only select areas will have it for the next year or so... who can blame them, cutting edge is always cool :p. This means other companies should be 1 year late at worst, so no worries for anyone reading this wondering if they can keep their current service provider and still get the cutting edge :)
21Mbps is going to be a thing of the past by the time Rogers gets it up and running. 2012 is the goal for the TELUS/Bell LTE network which should have speeds that double that.
I really hope companies like Verizon and Sprint in the US aren't going to use the CDMA/LTE hybrid that Verizon/Nortel announced it had found a solution for.
That will just add one more variation into the mix. I thought there was suppose to be a global standard?
mytime
08-27-2009, 09:33 AM
So then it will be as fast as the Internet at home right?
pencils
08-27-2009, 01:00 PM
yup - it's blazing fast. Hope they come out with a good plan!
julienrl
08-27-2009, 09:30 PM
if you have a cheap, unlimited data plan, hang on to it and don't let go! lol
homes
08-28-2009, 05:51 AM
21Mbps is going to be a thing of the past by the time Rogers gets it up and running. 2012 is the goal for the TELUS/Bell LTE network which should have speeds that double that.
so it's best to hold off getting a phone for the next few months
julienrl
08-28-2009, 02:52 PM
so it's best to hold off getting a phone for the next few months
if you mean to wait till you can get a HSPA+ phone, you would have to wait something like 12-18 moths unless you happen to be in the very few areas where they will do test deployments. If you mean wait because there are 3 new GSM companies set to debut before 2010, then ABSOLUTELY!
lovemymobile
08-28-2009, 05:19 PM
I thought Bell and TELUS were launching the HSPA network and a whole slew of phones. How/when is the HSPA= coming into effect? 3 years?
The new GSM are Bell, TELUS, Globalive? What about MTS, SaskTel, DAVE wireless? Aren't they going GSM or something
ascariss
08-29-2009, 12:28 AM
it is not GSM, but hdpa GSM is 2G, hdpa is 3G and based on WCDMA technology I believe.
urbnlgcy
08-29-2009, 02:17 AM
Bell/Telus are launching HSPA, with is a 3G evolution of GSM technology. They currently have CDMA EVDO throughout most of Canada. It appears all carriers will be launching LTE networks in the future (but that's a contract or two away ;)).
lovemymobile
08-29-2009, 11:42 AM
I hope someone puts out a booklet on all this stuff
Kronk86
08-29-2009, 12:18 PM
I hope someone puts out a booklet on all this stuff
For what? I could put something together for you, i just need to know what questions you have.
julienrl
08-29-2009, 05:43 PM
I thought Bell and TELUS were launching the HSPA network and a whole slew of phones. How/when is the HSPA= coming into effect? 3 years?
The new GSM are Bell, TELUS, Globalive? What about MTS, SaskTel, DAVE wireless? Aren't they going GSM or something
Bell and Telus are launching HSPA between September and November depending on the area (not GSM). As for the GSM list, globalive = wave mobile now
wht is the difference between hspa and gsm. Just speed?
julienrl
08-30-2009, 06:52 AM
ya, its more complicated than this, but its like comparing dial up with ADSL or cable internet.
Kronk86
08-30-2009, 12:37 PM
wht is the difference between hspa and gsm. Just speed?
GSM is the older, slower big brother. HSPA is a newer technology that is faster.
Thats the short and simple explanation.
underwhere
08-30-2009, 03:54 PM
^ ahhh.
so that's why Rogers came out with that HSPA+ network announcement. They want everyone to stay with them and not move over
Kronk86
08-30-2009, 06:44 PM
^ ahhh.
so that's why Rogers came out with that HSPA+ network announcement. They want everyone to stay with them and not move over
Yes, but TELUS/Bell will be HSPA+.
It's all just showboating now. We will see how fast either network actually is in real life.
mytime
08-30-2009, 08:09 PM
ya. Bring on that new rocket stick with 21mbps speed before any device. :(
urbnlgcy
08-31-2009, 02:27 AM
Sometimes people forget what those network numbers mean for them.
Let's pretend Bell/Telus pulled a massive coup and launched LTE tomorrow. Despite having a superior network, it would be useless to the average consumer with virtually no LTE handsets on the market.
Same concept applies today with the Rogers HSPA+ launch. Which of you have a phone that can take advantage of it? Right.
kmusky
08-31-2009, 11:37 AM
^ When those phones do come to market, Rogers will be able to bring them to market immediately, while the others will have to play catchup. Rogers is simply laying tracks for the future.
Kronk86
08-31-2009, 02:58 PM
^ When those phones do come to market, Rogers will be able to bring them to market immediately, while the others will have to play catchup. Rogers is simply laying tracks for the future.
They are just kidding themselves.
TELUS/Bell will have phones that are compatible with their 14mbps network by next year...Rogers will have to wait even longer and by then LTE will be up and running everywhere else in North America. They are the ones who will be playing catch up.
Sounds a bit like they are holding on to the past here.
Just a random comment but you think the majorty of people who use cellphones in Canada actually need it to be faster? Business people who use the web could use a bit more speed, but the iPhone 3GS on their 7.2 mbps network for example is pretty fast right now as it is
^ I think they will be getting better devices also, perhaps ones from Europe
Kronk86
09-03-2009, 04:25 PM
Just a random comment but you think the majorty of people who use cellphones in Canada actually need it to be faster? Business people who use the web could use a bit more speed, but the iPhone 3GS on their 7.2 mbps network for example is pretty fast right now as it is
I think yes. I don't like waiting for my website to load. 7.2Mbps is in an 'ideal' situation.
I own a 3G S and have never had that speed.
dougfriessen
09-03-2009, 05:35 PM
^ I also agree. Waiting blows. Especially when you are paying for it. The faster the better :)
greek
09-07-2009, 11:02 AM
don't we all just lower prices though, speeds will get faster - just lower our bills
lovemymobile
09-14-2009, 05:12 PM
anybody going to get this new Rocketstick???? or wait a while for devices to come out
SA5195
09-14-2009, 07:04 PM
So if the mobile stick is on a 2 year plan....does it mean phones too? would be nice though.
reidjr
09-14-2009, 07:22 PM
Would this stick would in a netbook.
pencils
09-15-2009, 06:59 AM
I would assume so - as long as it has a USB port. the speeds look fast
underwhere
09-15-2009, 01:57 PM
i don't htink we'll see devices for a Loooooooog time. this was just to tease Bell/Telus
theninjasquad
09-15-2009, 03:35 PM
Its sad that the data usage on these rocket stick plans are so low. I mean $25 for only 500MB? You're going to run through that pretty quickly. Half of it will be gone just watching a half hours worth of YouTube.
lovemymobile
09-26-2009, 07:44 AM
coming out on the 28th. Anybody getting it, pre-oprder it? would be cool to see a demo of this
Esurnir
09-27-2009, 07:20 PM
I don't think there'll be much device which use this. It would require 2 antennas and MIMO which isn't particulary battery efficient (a good comparison would be to compare 802.11g to 802.11n chipset power consumption). The iPhone decided not to support HSUPA, which provide dramaticaly higher uplink speed for that reason. Maybe some handheld device are going to take up the task of integrating receive diversity but I doubt it for now.
newton
09-28-2009, 09:58 PM
coming out on the 28th. Anybody getting it, pre-oprder it? would be cool to see a demo of this
not available where I live :(
underwhere
09-29-2009, 05:31 AM
Its sad that the data usage on these rocket stick plans are so low. I mean $25 for only 500MB? You're going to run through that pretty quickly. Half of it will be gone just watching a half hours worth of YouTube.
I thought they would come out with a plan for the new Stick, something like the iPhone promo plan
bigtime
09-29-2009, 12:46 PM
guess they are already sold out of them. Demand was high for this or inventory was low?
pusher
09-29-2009, 05:26 PM
nice one Rogers, just like the iPhone 3GS. same old story
lovemymobile
10-19-2009, 01:26 AM
Doesn't seem so fast from watching the vide of it. highest speed was just over 5mbps? No where close to 21????
Kronk86
10-19-2009, 01:30 AM
We have to remember that 21Mbps is a hypathetical speed under ideal conditions. I doubt anyone will see speeds that high.
lovemymobile
10-19-2009, 08:14 AM
We have to remember that 21Mbps is a hypathetical speed under ideal conditions. I doubt anyone will see speeds that high.
that sucks then. Why would they advertise it to reach those speeds? To rope customers in only for them to get upset?
Kronk86
10-19-2009, 11:01 AM
It's all about marketing. It could reach thoes speeds if no one else was using the network.
I find in my area, the speeds are a lot faster at around 1am. Mid-day are the worst.
If you are using it at home, get a landline broadband provider. More consistant.
urbnlgcy
10-19-2009, 01:09 PM
Indeed. Up to burst speeds of 21mbps under optimal conditions...on your wireless card/stick. Can't wait for those LTE devices :D
Sweetness
10-19-2009, 06:45 PM
how many years until LTE and we can honestly reach those speeds? 3-4 years?
Kronk86
10-19-2009, 08:34 PM
how many years until LTE and we can honestly reach those speeds? 3-4 years?
I'd say 2-3 full LTE rollout in Canada. Thats the plan from TELUS at least.
LTE is really just a 3.9G network. LTE Evolved/LTE+ is true 4G. You can find more info on the GSMA website.
pusher
10-20-2009, 05:53 AM
that sucks then. Why would they advertise it to reach those speeds? To rope customers in only for them to get upset?
gotta love Robbers. :mad:
I think they just pushed this out to be in the forefront of "innovation" in Canada. They always want to be recognized as the leader and the first to do things - such as the Android, iPhones, Bold launches
lovemymobile
10-23-2009, 01:56 PM
Rogers better have something sweet up their sleeves if they want to compete now. TELUS and Bell have a solid lineup coming up. Monthly price plans hopefully will be dropped :)
price plan drops and Rogers = no way