Palm Pre

[alphonse101]

Hey you all!

Does anybody know if Telus will (eventually) have the new Palm Pre? As far as I know it is a CDMA handset and only Sprint has announced the launch.

All I know about is the Treo Pro.... but would gladly wait for the Pre if it comes out shortly (hopefully)

Thanks!

[becks]

I saw on the Palm Canada site they are promoting it. http://www.palm.com/ca/
Also, MobileSyrup had a quote from the globe that said they are talking to canadian carriers. Nothing solid though.

http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/01/10/palm-ceo-on-the-pre-we-certainly-want-to-bring-the-product-to-canada%E2%80%9D/

[gp540]

Telus will more than likely pick it up with the smartphone direction they are going at this time.

[serans1987]

Hey, i doubt that they will be picking it up any time soon, hopefully they can grab it before any new palm pre devices come out. If they don't there would be no point in getting it, because the new device would be tweaked to the max. compared to the first device.

[Kronk86]

Okay, just my opinion, but i think the Pre is a little ugly. I think the Web OS is AWESOME, but the phone itself was a let down.

Oh, and the Pre is coming mid year to TELUS. March i think is the release for Sprint.

[alphonse101]

Do you have a confirmation about this? I would sure love that! I work for Telus and I need to change my handset. We might have "The largest selection of smartphones" but are more or less the same. I do love Blackberry but wanted a little change, and I would not touch a Wi Mobile with a 10 foot pole!

THe Web OS seem a good change for the outdated Palm os, unless we get an Android hadset anytime soon!

[Casino1]

...unless we get an Android hadset anytime soon!


That would be wicked if the Pre came to Telus... and what is Android anyway?

[alphonse101]

a new operating system based on linux, at the moment only one phone exists with this system, the G1, but hopefully more will come, I have heard about Motorola planning to use it too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_OS

(I love Wikipedia, explains things a lot better than me :D)

[Kronk86]

Motorola is working on it...But HTC seems to be all over Android. The G2 is coming out this year. Looks too similar to the older brother.

I have used a G1. The OS is pretty slick, but the phone itself needs some work. It was like they combined all the things they could from the top phones. The trackball from BB, the Capacitive touch screen from Apple, and they weird QWERTY from NOKIA/Sony Erickson.

The Pre would be cool, and TELUS will definitely be getting some cool phones in the next year....WOOOT HSPA 3.5G network...Oh, did i mention that it will cover 93% of the canadian population? Unlike Rogers that covers about 18% and the rest is EDGE....Bell and TELUS really showed them up.

[becks]

...Oh, and the Pre is coming mid year to TELUS. March i think is the release for Sprint.


is this for sure coming to TELUS? any other insight?


(also looks like an "Android" discussion has been set up by MobileSyrup under Manufacturers...)

[serans1987]

i would also like to hear if theres confirmation about the Palm Pre coming to Telus. It would be amazing if Canadians can get a hold of the Pre early and not wait till the next Pre comes out before we can get it. Kronk86 i kind of agree with you, its not such an appealing device such as HTC devices (my opinion). But OS i would have to say might be a top dog in OS nation.

[JayCanuck]

I personally love the design of the Pre. I especially like how the keyboard slides down into a curve, making it feel much more comfortable against the face when in a call.

[CreamyGoodness]

the pre is a very ugly phone, i would never be caught dead with it. i like the os though

[urbnlgcy]

No confirmation on the Pre coming to Telus? I think Q2 is jumping the gun a little early for a Telus launch.

If I were Palm, I'd want huge market penetration before the others manufacturers jumped on the Android train. Exclusivity deals are going to end up with fewer units being moved.

[alphonse101]

all I know so far is that it wont be coming in Q1. As for the Android handsets, as long as the new Palm Web OS is as good as they say it is (and looks) they should not worry about Android (but then Win MO should.... unless 6.5 and 7 improves a lot shortly...)

[Kronk86]

WinMo has always had latency issues. I don't think that version 7 is going to fix that.

The Pre is going to fail horribly. Just like most other Palm devices. There just isn't a need for them now.

As i said before, the new OS is awesome, but it just won't be able to compare to the future phones from todays big two: Apple and RIM.

Palm, like Motorola, have definitely dropped the ball over the past few years. Who knows if they will be able to survive????

[alphonse101]

Well so far, I can only assume (or hope) that Palm have learned his lesson and while they had put so much effort developping a completely new OS, I guess they will make sure it will be a good iPhone and blackberry competitor... at least we will see that in a few months!

[Kronk86]

Well, all you Palm fanatics out there. It looks like there might be a delay in the release for the Pre.

Now that Apple has the patent for Multi-touch. the legal battle that has already begun with probably drag it out for a long while.

[JayCanuck]

Well, all you Palm fanatics out there. It looks like there might be a delay in the release for the Pre.

Now that Apple has the patent for Multi-touch. the legal battle that has already begun with probably drag it out for a long while.
Palm's stated the "multitouch" patent won't affect the release date. And in fact if people would actually look at that specific patent, it's far more specific that people think.

For full Palm vs. Apple Patent coverage, check out this article hare: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/apple-vs-palm-the-in-depth-analysis/

Long story short, both side borrowed stuff from eachothers' patents, though it would appear iPhone "borrowed" more-so.

Also, neither Palm nor Apple have filed any legal notices to the either.

Is Telus saying it's been pushed back? any idea which months it's now due for?

Also, any word on the 16GB model, rumoured by several credible sources to be coming out at or around the same time as the 8GB one?

[Kronk86]

The word is TELUS will be releasing in the first half of the year.

They are focusing more on RIM though. There will be a few new BB's coming to the CDMA carriers in the next few months.

[Sweetness]

I heard that TELUS will be getting the Bold this quarter also...

[jammer]

According to Telus customer service... there new enhanced network is schedule to be active January 2010 then they can accept GSM phones finally!!!

[JayCanuck]

Hmmm, Telus and Bell Canada with the Pre, eh:
http://www.precentral.net/yet-another-source-suggest-february-15th-launch-bell-canada-get-pre

And February 15th seems a bit early...

[Eon]

I agree... give it 1 month min. to come after the usa launch

[JayCanuck]

I'm not too knowledgeable about canadian cdma carriers, but is it usual for Telus and Bell Canada to get phones at the same time? Do they share towers/inventory or somethin?

[Kronk86]

They do share cell towers....definitely.

They usually battle pretty hard to get the phones first. They usually end up wasting time and money though. Most of the time the phones are released on or around the same day.

[urbnlgcy]

Exclusivity deals only hurt competition and consumers.

[serans1987]

Palm Web OS is on a next level, Android thought they had us surprised but wow Palm. Pre to Telus in Q2 as i have heard in the forums i feel is like most have said way to early. They only annouced that Sprint gets it and we all know once the Americans receive it we get it months after( lots of months). But i would switch over if Telus gets the Pre.

[CreamyGoodness]

man i dont see the hype for the pre. it's just so, so, so, so.....ugly

[Kronk86]

man i dont see the hype for the pre. it's just so, so, so, so.....ugly

I agree...OS is amazing...phone UGLY. They have made some serious innovations in how we use a mobile phone (charge stone, web based OS etc...) but i don't think its enough.

The phone is just plain ugly. Everything about it. Looks like a deformed HTC Touch.

[Chuck]

Are potential buyers ready to base their purchase decision's on a fashion statement and possibly deny themselves one if the the most advanced and impressive OS's to date?

[JayCanuck]

Oh, I personally LOVE the Pre. Sure the shape of the device may turn some off, but the hardware, and OS are quite up to par with the best devices out there. It is like a middle-ground between the Blackberry and iPhone, with Palm historic PIM brought up to a whole new level with synergy.

Plus, keep in mind, if the shape/hardware is the only thing turning you off, it's not like the Pre is gonna be the only Palm device. There are rumours of a lower-cost thumboard-less version in the works. And of course there'll be more to follow

[Kronk86]

Its more the fact that they stole major design cues from HTC and APPLE.

The OS specs are cool, but there are definitely better phones on the market.

[becks]

Isn't there a quote that says "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"...

[CreamyGoodness]

i still say the phone is crap. Its ugly, sure it has a flashy OS that will be good. but wait for more phones from Palm

[JimmyCrackCorn]

LOL:

R.I.P Palm OS: 1996-2008

http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/11/rip-palm-os-1996-2008.html

[alphonse101]

I might have missed something, but I was wondering :

1 - since it does not have a connection port (mini usb...) How will it sinc? Does it uses the charge connector or bluetooth?

2 - Will it have a car charger? at this point I would imagine the same kind of adaptor or some kind of mat to leave on the dashboard.

I guess we will find out soon enough. Although no news about a release on Telus...

[JayCanuck]

I'll answer your questions based off what I know from everything I've seen:

1) It does have a connection port: microUSB. However, there is no computer desktop syncing (though there's already 3rd party software announced that will). All the Pre's "syncing" will be done via cloud services. eg./ Having Pre's calendar connected to GoogleCalendar. Then just point your desktop browser there.

2) Palm says accessories are currently in development, though the Touchstone won't handle car acceleration/deceleration and as such won't be ideal in cars. Palm did mention the old accessory of a usb-to-car charger will work with the Pre (obviously) but proper Pre accessories are coming soon

[Casino1]

Have you seen this 26 minute vid of the Palm Pre from MWC:

http://precommunity.com/palm-pre-26-minute-live-video-demo-from-mwc09-200918618

[JayCanuck]

Yep, love every minute of it :D

[Adage]

To be honest, the Blackberries have a pretty terrible looking OS. Even for the Bold or Storm, it's fairly ugly and unintuitive. The WebOS looks to be completely different from that.

[alphonse101]

Have you seen this 26 minute vid of the Palm Pre from MWC:

http://precommunity.com/palm-pre-26-minute-live-video-demo-from-mwc09-200918618


No I did not, and I have missed the connector. THanks for the link!

[serans1987]

blackberry OS isn't the best i agree but it excels at what it is best at. If they could do a little work or even rewrite it from the ground up they would get the same results as WebOS. But the WebOS for the time being is the a different view and aspect of OS's.

[alphonse101]

although I can't wait to try the Pre, There is no proof that it will in fact be good. At that point it does look damn nice and very easy to use, but then, will it be as fast as they say? It may be buggy or crash all the time.

Blackberry on the other hand, I do admit the menu and icons are ugly, but then, the OS is very stable and never had any issues with it, much easier to configure email than WinMO. I don't think they would need to rewrite it from the ground up, Although an interface update would be nice...

Only issue would be the Pearl button that stops working or not as good as it should be, I get a lot of returns about this.

[dredd0606]

Hi guys,

I have a very reliable source telling me that Telus will release a "Palm Device" in April.

Seems right in line with what has been speculated so far (about a month after the supposed US release, in the 1st half of '09).

I don't think this will be the Pro (and hope not), but who knows...if its the Pro, why wait until Bell has it for 2 months? They are supposedly releasing it at the end of Feb, right?

Anyway, here's hoping!!!

- Dredd

[serans1987]

all I know so far is that it wont be coming in Q1. As for the Android handsets, as long as the new Palm Web OS is as good as they say it is (and looks) they should not worry about Android (but then Win MO should.... unless 6.5 and 7 improves a lot shortly...)

WinMo 6.5 is only I.E update and skin update on current WinMo OS, on the other hand 7 might be a different story. Android is still something you should look out for, but can't lie Web OS is damn sweet OS.

[Newfie]

Q3 seems a long way off

[becks]

Has a price been set for the Sprint version?
What do you think this will run us in Canada?

$299 on a 3-year?

[pencils]

I should have waited for the Pre instead of the OMNIA :(

[becks]

^ yes.

You can always take it back if it's under a warranty... or when it does come out do an upgrade. Pre will be so much better than the Omnia its sick.

[Skippy101]

funny how this leaked doc compares to the iPhone (AT&T vs. Sprint)

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/04/att-pre_pc.jpg


http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/04/22/leaked-atandt-doc-slams-the-palm-pre/

[mytime]

I'm actually surprised that another row was not included for the Storm

[greek]

I guess they are going after the biggest competitor. From what I read AT& T had a great last quarter, sales of the iPhone were up. They have to position themselves as the *new* iPhone killer.

it will be great to watch!

[Hog]

Although I do find the Pre keyboard it too small, my prediction:
Palm will survive and this will restore them to the glory of the past, it will take a year to get there though

[mytime]

^ i think so as well. As much as apple and rim are doing well, I think business people will eventually transition over to have Palm and RIM as their main choice, while personal will be Apple, then Palm, then samsung.

I have an OMNIA and I wish I waited.

[Skippy101]

Was at a Telus store this weekend and the guy behind the counter said they will be getting the Pre, but not until September. He stuttered when he said it so I'm not sure how much truth there is to it.

Anybody hear a solid date?

[dougfriessen]

Although I do find the Pre keyboard it too small, my prediction:
Palm will survive and this will restore them to the glory of the past, it will take a year to get there though


sorry... Palm will not last another year. :(

RIM and Apple will continue leading the way. Nokia will follow them also.

[JayCanuck]

sorry... Palm will not last another year. :(

RIM and Apple will continue leading the way. Nokia will follow them also.
Your personal opinion, and unless you're the majority stockholder, the CEO of Elevation Partners, or the CEO of Palm Inc, then I'll take your opinion as such. ;)

My personal opinion is they will survive.

Keep in mind the Pre is only the first WebOS device. Palm has hinted on a few occasions at a low-cost Centro successor on the WebOS. While I personally do believe the Palm Eos render (http://www.precentral.net/palm-eos-thin-gsm-awesome) is a fake, I also believe we will see something similar in the near future, possibly as low as $99 US on 2-year contract (ala the Centro). This would definitely bring in a lot of money and provide a cheaper alternative for those who still want the WebOS but in a different phone than the Pre.

[greek]

^ in due time i guess. if the Pre is as good as they say and people find it "cool" they will do very well. However, if people don't want to be caught with it then into the tank Palm goes.

[BamBam]

I am considering getting the Pre when it comes here. But believe me I will watch all the reviews from the Sprint version before I sign any mongo contract

[kmusky]

September? I would be OK with that. Hopefully there will be some good apps for WebOS by that time.

[greek]

September seems way to long away, If Sprint launches this in June, a max of 2 months later we will get it here. Palm has too much at risk not to launch it faster in other countries.

[blindkangaroo]

I hope you're right on that. But it makes sense, if they are in any kind of financial trouble it would be a good idea not to wait at all to release in other countries.

[bittersweet]

Palm will bleed to it's end. They are well cooked and well done.
:(

[kmusky]

Depends on whether the Eos is fact or fiction. If Palm is serious about bringing a lower cost WebOS device to market by the end of the year, I could see Palm taking off. The BB 83xx is the bestselling smartphone in the US, mostly because it one of the least expensive BBs out there. Apple is ignoring that segment of the market, and Palm would be smart to go after it.

[bittersweet]

I think Apple is coming out with a $99 iPhone "Lite", "Nano" or something at that price point.

[kmusky]

looks like the Pre is a Bell exclusive. Sorry, Telus! better luck next handset.

[alphonse101]

Well that is a downer :S.

On the plus side, as we don't know how long this exclusivity will last, there is still a chance that we will get it a bit later. Or at the worse, we will get the next one! As far as we know, the Pre has everything to prouve, since it is not out yet, all we know is it looks pretty. Who know what problems it could have at launch?

Lets see how it goes, we will see.

[Skippy101]

probably be 2 month exclusive. No way TELUS would give this up.

[becks]

Bell has the pre and Telus has to come up with some spectacular device to compete.

[kmusky]

Well, it won't be the HTC Magic or Dream. Way to drop the ball, Telus!

[pencils]

i heard they are launching another moto on mike!!!

[Hog]

The only thing telus is launching that is remotely good is another BlackBerry, and the HTC devuces

[becks]

Pre all the way! You can say goodnight to those Telus animals

[cracked]

I think TELUS will be releasing the pre. It will be like the Storm when they only had it a few days then Bell launched.

[dredd0606]

There are two things to consider here for precedence, the Pro and the Storm. Bell had an exclusive on the Pro, and look how long that lasted. Ditto for Telus with the Storm. In both cases, the exclusive was very short, a couple days for the Storm (it was supposed to be 1 month), and about a month on the Pro. I think that this is a pretty good indicator that while Bell is launching it exclusively, Telus will be right there a few weeks later with it. I just hope that Bell and Telus don't wait on the Pre for it to be another Xmas launch...but due to stock levels in the US (Sprint apparently launching with just 400,000 devices), I have a feeling we may be waiting until at least Oct - Nov.

Just my 2 cents.

(Oh, and by the way, my earlier post in this thread about Telus launching a Palm device in April was accurate, too bad it was the Pro and not the Pre!)

- dredd0606

[Kronk86]

You may be right, Cracked.

[bigtime]

I think TELUS will be releasing the pre. It will be like the Storm when they only had it a few days then Bell launched.


The more I think about the Pre, this will be a good device to have and believe Telus will get it eventually. If Bell has an "exclusive" I agree with you it will not be forever.

Perhaps Telus might skip out on the Pre and get the Palm Eos exclusively?

[homes]

Eos looks good too:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/05/eos-att-2h-09-rm-eng.jpg

[cracked]

Good news for TELUS peeps. From reading this the exclusive is only 6 months or so in the US. Could it be the same here with Bell too?

"Verizon Wireless plans to start selling Palm Inc's (PALM.O) Pre and a new version of the touchscreen BlackBerry Storm in about six months, the top executive for the venture of Verizon Communications Inc (VZ.N) and Vodafone Group Plc (VOD.L) said on Thursday."

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTelecomNews/idUSN2833749320090528

[Kronk86]

I doubt that the exclusivity agreement will be that long in Canada.....you will all just have to wait and see....

[Eon]

I would think it's only 6 months as well, or could be the couple days like the Bell Storm but I think we would have heard something by now. It's probably built into the contract that they are not allowed to say anything until a certain date

[12345]

I would think it's only 6 months as well, or could be the couple days like the Bell Storm but I think we would have heard something by now. It's probably built into the contract that they are not allowed to say anything until a certain date


^ time will only tell, as stated before I cannot see Telus just waiting and letting this opportunity go by :confused:

[kmusky]

^ time will only tell, as stated before I cannot see Telus just waiting and letting this opportunity go by :confused:

I can. Telus has dropped alot of balls lately. They seem to prefer creating roadblocks for their competition rather than bringing in phones that people would want.

[dougfriessen]

I can. Telus has dropped alot of balls lately. They seem to prefer creating roadblocks for their competition rather than bringing in phones that people would want.


what else have they missed out on?
:confused:

[Hog]

^ I think the above "roadblocks" kmusky is referring to is the recent actions with the CRTC and stalling Globalive?

not sure what else there is,but Sprint responded with the following quote regarding the exclusive Pre agreement. So Maybe a January 2010 Telus Pre (or later in Canada):

Sprint spokesman ames Fisher "We have the Pre through 2009″

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090528-714065.html

[underwhere]

any word/leaks on Telus getting this?

[urbnlgcy]

They'll be getting it, it's just a matter of when. Exclusivity periods in Canada are pretty short since paying boatloads for them in such a small market doesn't make good sense.

[greek]

I have heard rumours (again) that a October TELUS release for the Pre? This possible at all

[Kronk86]

Anything is possible. The exclusivity that TELUS had on the BB Storm went from a month down to a week and then to a day right before launch.

The agreements change often and fast.

[johnnyproperty]

No posts about the Pre in a while I see. Any feedback as November has arrived? Would like to go to the Pre but that means changing carriers and contract not up 'til May 2010.

[Hog]

I think Kronk86 said a January release a while back