South Korean prosecutors again seek arrest warrant for Samsung’s Lee Jae-yong

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  • Brad Fortin

    For all the times @thereasoner has commented on Apple articles about how Apple are “crooks” or “criminals” simply because they do things he doesn’t like he’s surprisingly quiet about Samsung execs being *actual* criminals with arrest warrants in their name.

    • h2oflyer

      Some believe you are innocent until you can blame it on the battery.

    • thereasoner

      I think that I’ve been very consistent actually. Apple was convicted of illegal price fixing and fined almost half a billion dollars. My issues with Apple is their unethical anti-consumer behavior as well as their previously mentioned illegal activity and how it directly affects consumers.

      When Samsung abuses consumers with blatant abuse of court and patent systems, uses dishonest claims over IP to bully other OEMs affecting the quality of consumers choices, turns their backs on issues affecting their phones until consumers launch class action lawsuits and organized price fixing scams that are against the law like Apple does then I would be all over them as well.

      As far as what’s going on in Korea involving Samsung with accusations of bribery with the government, that would be disgusting as well if proven true. That said, I would still be far more disgusted by things that directly affect consumers on our shores, far far more disgusted obviously!

    • Brad Fortin

      “When Samsung abuses consumers with blatant abuse of court and patent systems, uses dishonest claims over IP to bully other OEMs affecting the quality of consumers choices, turns their backs on issues affecting their phones until consumers launch class action lawsuits and organized price fixing scams that are against the law like Apple does then I would be all over them as well.”

      Samsung already does all that and more, like getting the South Korean media to hush any news that Samsung’s factories don’t meet health and safety standards and end up giving many of its workers aggressive cancer. You’ve never once brought that up but you bring up the eBooks price fixing case any time you can, so maybe going forward you can strike a more even balance between complaining about the company that tried to break up Amazon’s eBook monopoly by moving to an agency model and complaining about the company that gives its employees cancer and then tries to cover it up until they’re dead.

    • thereasoner

      First I’ve heard of these accusations of Samsung giving workers cancer. I would compare it to those making iphones feeling the need to take their lives by jumping off roofs if I had.

      That said, my stance is unchanged. I’m more interested and comment on the wrongful treatment of CONSUMERS on OUR SHORES, you know, being that I am one of them. If Samsung, or anyone else for that matter, sinks to Apple’s unethical behavior in that regard then I’ll surely back and participate in any criticism towards them.

    • Brad Fortin

      It’s not just an accusation, it’s what actually happened. Almost 80 workers have already died, with hundreds more still affected.

      When has Apple ever done something that’s literally killed people? Never. And when Foxconn, a company that supplies products to Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Google, Nintendo, among numerous others, started experiencing worker suicides only Apple, Dell, and HP made any effort to improve the working conditions (notably absent: Microsoft, Google, Sony, etc).

      If you want to talk about what happens over HERE, affecting domestic CONSUMERS, we can talk about a few things.

      Equal Rights, for example: Tim Cook openly fights for equal rights, even heading Apple’s march in Pride parades, whereas with Samsung “Just mentioning an individual’s sexual orientation at the corporate level could create unexpected results that are usually not positive”, and when confronted about LGBT content in Samsung’s app store “content containing LGBT is not allowed”.

      Disability is another example: Apple is constantly designing its products so that they’re accessible to everyone, like how they conducted the world’s largest study on wheelchair users in order to update the Apple Watch to support wheelchair users, something no other company (including Samsung) has tried before or since. Apple products are built to be set-up out-of-the box without assistance, something that can’t be said about products from other companies.

      The environment is another example: Apple is a leader when it comes to environmental policies, like getting the vast majority of its electricity from renewable resources while still adding an extra 170 megawatts of solar to power their operations in China, using sustainable forests for 99% of their paper packaging, eliminating their use of toxic chemicals like mercury and lead, etc. Since CONSUMERS HERE live in the environment it’s important to keep it from becoming a toxic hellstew, but not all companies care about that and continue to use non-renewable energy sources, packaging material, and toxic chemicals.

      But you see Apple in such a negative light that you’re willing to overlook all these good things they do and instead praise a company that literally kills its employees and tries to cover it up.

    • thereasoner

      Still, my point that stands. Workers in many countries over seas face dire conditions and many countries are involved in having their products built by said exploited workers, including Apple, Samsung and hundreds of others. This is not what I’m talking about and you know it and it’s a different subject all together that is completely unrelated to Apple’s unethical treatment of CONSUMERS HERE.

      – “praise Samsung”… really?
      You are free to slam whatever companies you want over poor working conditions that kill people in other countries, have at it son. You can even single out Samsung as well since you’re obsession with Apple demands as much, I don’t care about them either. Both Samsung and Apple, not to mention scores of others, can toot my horn for all I care (how’s that for “praise”?,lol.), I don’t fanboy idolize any company like you do Apple so I certainly won’t make a fool of myself defending them … again, like you do for Apple.

      Its cute that you think whenever Apple is criticized that those criticisms MUST be tempered with criticism of others, and even if we must resort to a different topic of criticism facing hundreds of companies in other countries no less. That’s some strong Apple fanaticism you got going on there kid, there will be a lot hugs and kisses from Tim Crook for you I’m sure 🙂

      Just as hilarious is your desperate attempt to justify, defend and or overlook Apple’s horrible business practices and abuses of consumers, courts and patent systems by saying “but hey, they do nice stuff too so it’s okay” lmfao!! With the kind of money that they have they should do nothing but nice things yet they still remain the most dishonest and despicable anti-consumer company in tech. Go figure.

      To use your own words…You see Apple in such a positive light that they can do no wrong. You’re willing to overlook all the horrible things they have done and instead you defend them as if you worship Apple as a god.

      It’s normal to be put off by companies that do bad things, be it poor working conditions in other countries or unethical treatment of consumers over here. Personally I think that both things are awful. It’s NOT normal to defend such things like you do for Apple Brad, it’s just not. You need help Brad, you should consider getting it.

    • Brad Fortin

      “they still remain the most dishonest and despicable anti-consumer company in tech”

      Your extreme bias is showing.

      “You need help Brad, you should consider getting it.”

      A classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. After all, you’re the one who thinks multiple strangers on the Internet are all secretly one person conspiring against you.

    • thereasoner

      Yes, I believe that their are fake accounts and users who have multiple accounts, so what? A lot of people have drawn the same conclusions and we know that the companies involved in tech have people doing exactly that from court documents revealed during cases, again, so what?

      I’m a strong advocate of consumer protection from the kinds of unethical acts that Apple is known for, nothing wrong with that. I’m very passionate about it, so much so that I may seek to volunteer for a consumer advocate group when I retire.

      It’s not like I’m a deluded fanboy who lives my life around and worships a corporation to the point of rejecting reality. (no offense) That’s your gig NOT mine !

    • Brad Fortin

      “It’s not like I’m a deluded fanboy who lives my life around and worships a corporation to the point of rejecting reality. (no offense) That’s your gig NOT mine !”

      That’s really what you think I do? lol!