Here’s what living the USB-C dongle life is like

I come from a future where to be part of Apple’s new laptop ecosystem, dongles are a necessity.

Apple’s new MacBook Pro, just like its 2015 and 2016 12-inch MacBook, has dropped USB-A in favour of the future of connectivity, USB-C. This is something a number of people are unhappy about and rightfully so. Despite how sleek and refined Apple’s new MacBook Pro is, it lacks MagSafe — which to my surprise I actually don’t miss — an SD card slot and to many, the most frustrating exclusion, USB-A.

There’s no easy solution to this problem beyond simply just sucking it up and buying a plethora of hubs and dongles, or ditching macOS for a Windows 10 laptop, a move many irate Apple fans insist they’re planning, though likely won’t follow through with. To quote a joke that isn’t funny anymore, perhaps these individuals just don’t have the “courage” to do so.

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Apple’s decision to adopt USB-C over USB-A follows a historical pattern. The company has a history of forcibly killing aging technology like the floppy drive and DVD drive, though in the case of USB-A, this shift is likely a few years too soon.

I dream of a world where we use one port format for everything and Apple pushing the USB-C narrative is a step in the right direction towards that utopia. However, since that future isn’t here and likely won’t be for a few years, there are growing pains. The fact that Apple strangely stuck with Lightning over USB-C with the iPhone 7 also throws a wrench into my dream. I can plug Google’s Pixel directly into Apple’s new MacBook Pro and not the iPhone 7. Whatever way you look at this situation, it doesn’t seem right, especially for a laptop with the term ‘Pro’ in its name.

Now that what I affectionately refer to as the “dongle life” has gone mainstream, connecting a device to the new MacBook Pro is significantly more challenging than it once was. I, however, come from the future, having used Apple’s 12-inch MacBook as my primary computer for approximately a year, before switching to the Surface Book for the last six months or so.

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While the dongle life makes things more difficult, to some extent I fall in the target market for Apple’s new MacBook Pro laptop. I’m the type of user who doesn’t plug a lot devices into my computer when I’m on the go, covering events or traveling to or from work — though the lack of an SD card slot does make things more difficult for me when shooting photos at press events.

To circumvent this issue, I plug my camera, a Lumia G85, into a USB-C dongle, and pull photographs directly from the camera. Is this convoluted? A little bit, but it helps remove one step from the process of getting images directly onto my PC.

However, when I sit down at my desk at the MobileSyrup office, I’m forced to use a USB-C hub — my current dongle life accessory of choice is Apple’s USB-C Digital AV Multiport hub, which features USB-A, USB-C (for charging) and HDMI — allowing me to plug my monitor into the new MacBook Pro via HDMI and charge it at the same time. I also add a USB-A 3.0 hub to the mix so that I can plug both my mouse and an SD card reader into the new Pro.

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The resulting mess of cords and ports takes up a fair amount of space on my desk, but it gets the job done. In the future, I plan to buy a sleeker hub, perhaps one with multiple USB-A ports, but one that also includes a standard HDMI connection doesn’t seem to exist right now. Most USB-C hubs currently on the market suffer from connectivity issues and aren’t reliable. When a dominant player finally emerges with an affordable offering, I’ll definitely pick it up.

This is an interim period though and part of why to some extent I agree with Apple’s decision to adopt only USB-C in its new laptop. In a few years almost all devices, including monitors, will likely utilize USB-C, making this mess of dongles and cords a problem of the past.

It’s also important to note that technically the ports present in the new MacBook Pro are USB-C and Thunderbolt 3, with both protocols working through the same connector. The issue that begins to appear, however, is that while both connectors look the same, they don’t actually operate identically.

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Nilay Patel over at The Verge has reported that plugging a DisplayPort monitor into a USB-C to Thunderbolt adapter doesn’t always work as you may think. Thunderbolt 1 and 2 use the same connector as Mini DisplayPort, but Patel’s adapter didn’t support DisplayPort and instead, just Thunderbolt. If the above two sentences sound confusing, you aren’t alone. The entire issue is difficult for almost anyone to wrap their head around.

Another example is the fact that the USB-C cable included in the MacBook Pro for charging purposes doesn’t work as a display connector. In addition, different ports on the new MacBook Pro also offer various throughput (this situation is complicated, so check out this story in Apple Insider if you’re interested).

In the end, navigating the complicated waters of USB-C is a chore right now, and consumers willing to deal with this mess will experience difficulties. On the bright side, Apple has lowered the cost of its USB-C adapters in Canada, though it likely would have been a good idea for the company to include some sort of hub for free in the Pro’s box in the first place.

USB-C is most certainly the future, the issue is that the future just isn’t here yet.

Related: Apple cuts price of USB-C accessories in Canada following MacBook Pro outrage [Update]

Comments

  • LeTricolore

    “There’s no easy solution to this problem beyond simply just sucking it up and buying a plethora of hubs and dongles, or ditching macOS for a Windows 10 laptop, a move many irate Apple fans insist they’re planning, though likely won’t follow through with”

    Why do you say that?

    • Because I can think of about 10 people off hand that I know personally who were outraged by the switch, but have now said they’re just going to buy one anyways.

    • Mo Dabbas

      But what still boggles me is why do people have to buy it despite not liking the lack of ports. For example, I’ve been using a surface pro 2 as my laptop, it’s still running well even thought it’s been about 3 years since I bought it. Why do people have to suck it up and buy a new macbook pro if their old one is still working fine?? Why not wait until USB-C becomes the main popular standard for everything which would eliminate the need of other ports. Ok, let’s assume they need a macbook pro right away because their’s collapsed or something, why not get an apple refurbished macbook pro which usually sell for 15-25% cheaper and you still get that same excellent warranty. Also, apple still sells the macbook air for now. If these people hate the lack of ports they desire in the macbook pro there are other options (within apple) to consider.

  • The Iceman Cometh

    So you excuse this company for this ridiculousness? USB C is t there yet and Apples move here is truly inexcusable

    • Bob Loblaw

      Apple doesn’t care. Their fanboys are retarded. They’ll eat up whatever sh!t apple poops out.

  • As someone whose used docking stations for years I don’t see this as a problem.

    When you describe the situation at your desk, isn’t plugging in a single USB cable which connects to a hub that your charger, monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc plug into more desirable then getting to your desk and attaching 5 or 6 individual connectors into your laptop?

    • fred

      Choice. I know Apple fans don’t understand this word.
      But having say, 2 USB-A connectors and 2 USB-C (instead of 4 USB-C) would give a lot more choice and flexibility to users. You’d be free not to use any USB-A port and still use your hub. But at least you could connect a USB thumb drive on the road.

    • I agree, its good to have choice. But I can also see the other end of the argument where having a choice will just cause people to never change.

      For example, my work has mini meeting rooms with 27 inch monitors for small 2-6 person meetings. These things didn’t get equipped with HDMI cables until a large portion of our laptops were newer models with no VGA ports. It’s totally conceivable to me that if Dell didn’t drop the VGA port these monitors would still have no HDMI cables attached to them. I saw the same transition with optical discs. Despite every user having a shared drive mapped to their system where they could easily drop any data too large for an email, burning optical discs was still common until the optical drives were removed from enough of the laptops in circulation to cause it to be too cumbersome.

    • fred

      We all agree that we need to transition to new technology.
      But there is a good way to do it, and it’s to support both the old and the new tech during the transition.

    • I understand that viewpoint. My argument was just that a lot of times, when both are supported the, that transition either never materializes or is significantly delayed.

      Like i’m seeing dual USB A/ USB C flash drives at walmart. Personally I think these would be niche devices if the MacBook and smaller Dells didn’t start the ball rolling by dropping the ports. Our Dell 7275s dropped the USB A ports a while before this MacBook Pro came out.

    • fred

      Also don’t forget that Apple has been wrong in choosing connectors many times: Firewire, mini-DVI, ADC, Thunderbolt 2…

      Fortunately they never made a laptop with only Firewire ports.

      The fact is that USB-A will remain useful at least for the next 5 years. After which many of those who purchased that shiny MacBook will replace it anyways.

    • a_eh

      I remember when I had a new PowerBook with USB 1.1 while everyone was embracing USB 2.0. Apple was still holding out because it wanted to push its firewire port. Ended up having to purchase external storage with both USB 2.0 and firewire.

      And don’t forget ZipDrives too.

    • a_eh

      Yeah but using your same example, it would be much worse when most companies are transitioning and equipping VGA, DVI, DisplayPort, and HDMI connections on their laptop/or those meeting room screens while one company “jumps ahead” and only uses Thunderbolt because it believes it’s a better interface. There’s a reason why business laptops can still have VGA ports as not all regions/industries jump that quickly forward. What’s more important, pushing forward an interface while customers suffer, or progress as it always does with consumer convenience in mind? This would have been much less of a problem if Apple even included one USB-A port… and that SD slot isn’t even a matter of unifying ports for the future.

      If you still don’t get it, can you imagine if all laptops and desktops suddenly only have USB-C right this moment? That is a lot of equipment replacement all over the world at businesses and at home or everyone would be buying and carrying around dongles al day. Or if all WiFi devices use AC only? All phones can only use LTE? Apple is moving much faster than necessary (faster than even their own iPhone).

    • What you say has merit, there is pain in moving too fast. My only argument was that when you leave in all the legacy ports, people just keep using those.

      Like in my example, our computers were equipped with HDMI ports for at least 3 years before anyone started equipping the meeting rooms and conference rooms with HDMI ports. The only reason anyone even started is because our newest laptops (latitude 7000 series) dropped the VGA connector.

      To add to the ridiculousness of it, the 27 inch monitors were Dell UltraSharp series (2711) which are 1440p. But they won’t do 1440p over VGA (or at least none of our laptops could because you would get a super blurry image if you tried to run native resolution through VGA). But even with that, every single one of them had a VGA cable coming out of them for years and not a single one had an HDMI cable. It wasn’t until enough people moved from the latitude 6xxx series to the 7xxx series (making the complaints about using the HDMI > VGA dongle frequent enough) that anyone decided to spend the nominal fee of getting around 20 6 foot HDMI cables and attaching one to each monitor.

    • a_eh

      Yeah, true. I suppose the fastest moving and the slowest moving ones are the worst for the industry/consumers. I just think in this worst case scenario, I would rather have more ports than too little.

      Interestingly, we also have the 2711 as well and the connection issue is actually because Dell was quite ahead with 1440P (which only runs at native resolution via DisplayPort and Dual-link DVI at that time). It was certainly a plus that they included VGA and HDMI connections for people with only these interfaces. You run at a lower “blurry” resolution, but if they pulled an Apple, they could have just said VGA and HDMI are inferior (which they are at that point, considering max supported resolutions, bandwidth) so they only include DisplayPorts (which in general, is a better video interface with higher supported resolution, 10bpc color, mechanical locking mechanism, audio channels, etc.). (we’re actually still using one of these given how easy it is to plug in a Surface Pro 1/2/3/4 or business line laptop with a cable; no adapters needed)

    • I agree, but I also think that Apple pushing USB-C is the right thing, they’re just too early. Also, a USB-A should be included with every Pro, just like the headphone adapter with the iPhone 7.

    • p_lindsay

      Apple users prefer to be told what to do.

    • As soon as someone make an affordable USB-C docking station, then yes, I agree.

    • What price range are you looking at? Under $100?

    • I’d say around $100 is a reasonable price for a docking station. Most of the ones I’ve looked at that seem viable cost about $300.

    • jerry man

      I’m not entirely convinced. I think there’s a fuzzy line between what defines a dock and a hub. If you look at the Microsoft Display Dock for its phone, it had USBs, a display port, and I believe it may have charged as well. If we compare that with what apple is offering on its website and I think you show it in one of the pictures in the article. They’re fairly similar. So I guess the bigger question is, what is the criteria for a dock?

    • Mr Dog

      They do make affordable USB-C docking stations. What they don’t make is affordable Thunderbolt docking stations. There are two very different things.

      You can get one for less than $100 with USB-A Ports, SD Card slot & HDMI.

    • The Iceman Cometh

      This isn’t a docking station its a jumble of a mess compared to any such arrangement and frankly, quite ugly considering Apple’s penchant for an aesthetically clean experience.

    • You’re connecting multiple peripherals with a single connector. I think by any definition that would qualify as a dock.

      How it looks behind the dock is just a function of cable management. The back of a typical eport dock looks the same way unless you’ve taken some steps towards cable management.

  • Mo Dabbas

    Looks like a very elegant solution.

    • p_lindsay

      Courageous.

  • Mbuglegs

    Instead of Dongle Life I propose.
    Usb C-hub life orjust ‘chub’.
    This way you can be chub’n at work.
    Or head back to the main office with a ‘chubby’

    #Chublife

  • Do Do

    Well I don’t know what I’m going to do when I need to buy but there’s no question, this is a big F U to Macbook Pro customers. Only a complete batty fanboy wouldn’t recognize this. So why would I still consider it? Windows 10. I’ve been a using Windows since the beginning and I consider this one to be the least like what an OS should be….an Operating System.

    • Jon Shopping

      Are you saying Windows 10 is not a real OS? I still can’t understand the dislike of Windows 10. Its by far the fastest Windows OS and its so clean after you spend time with it. I had a hard time going back to Windows 7 to do simple tasks on my wife’s laptop. Took longer and was messier.

      You may not agree with me, but I strongly believe that Windows 10 is the best OS Microsoft has brought to this day…….if your using it on a laptop/desktop. Not a tablet. I had a Surface and just could not get used to that ship 😛

    • rick

      People hating on it have written it off without even trying it.

    • Do Do

      I can assure you, “I” have and still use it and when I do it only reaffirms my belief that Windows 10 is big turd.

      That’s not to say osx is perfect, far from. I’m not a cult member but in my opinion, osx is superior. Most of what I hate about Windows is what MS has turned into, a marketing/advertising platform, not an OS. I turn privacy settings off, and every update they get turned back on. I can’t (haven’t tried lately) turn certain things off. Why do I have to edit the registry to make changes in Windows spying? Why do I have to install 3rd party programs to block Windows from spying. One thing that stuck out to me last year was when I read Windows 10 connects over 5000 times to MS ip’s per day, how can anyone be ok with that?

      This isn’t just my opinion. Read around the net, many people, experts, are saying exactly what I am and a lot more.

      That all said, if Apple continues to disrespect it’s users as I think they have with this iteration of Macbook Pro, I may have to bite the bullet and move back to Windows as my daily driver OS and simply do everything I can to lock it down. I know linux is an option but I frankly don’t like it much. Mind you I haven’t used it in a couple of years so I guess I could try again.

      Once again, Apple takes away things people want (usb 3 and sd card reader), adds things people mostly don’t care about (touch bar)and charges you more for the privilege. That’s effed up, I just have to decide which company is more vile when I’m up for a new notebook in a year or 2.

    • rick

      Those are valid points on MS for sure.

    • Laer

      Certainly that all sums up my primary concerns. I’m just wondering where the hell are all anti-trust law suits??

    • TrickyDickie

      Don’t you think that all of the hacks and this crap you install to stop the “spying” might have something to do with it…?

    • Do Do

      I don’t know what you’re talking about, what hacks? I haven’t “hacked” anything. I haven’t installed anything, I’m suggesting that a lot of people have to in order to stop windows spying and some are claiming certain registry hacks are required to stop things like cortana from being alway on now. Think about that, why wouldn’t MS not let you turn Cortana off easily? Why would they integrate it into “search” to in a manner that you break windows search by turning Cortana off in this way? This is what I’ve read as I have’t bothered digging into windows for almost a year but from what I’ve read, its gotten worse in the past year. I simply don’t spend enough time in Windows any longer to worry about it and often I’m offline. I’m only on windows 2-3 times a month unless I fixing a friends system.

    • demigod79

      Google’s been spying on me for years (email, calendar, browsing history, etc) and my life’s only gotten better for it. I get a more customized experience, with highly contextualized and relevant info, and occasionally I even a useful ad (at worst I get an annoying ad, which I can usually just ignore). When Windows went the same way I had no problem with it and still have no problem with it.

      Frankly, I’ve never understood the issue that people have with Windows 10 collecting user data. It’s like people think they have to have absolute privacy whatsoever. Every time a company collects user data it provides a better user experience, whether it’s Amazon showing recommendations and relevant products or Google managing my vacation schedule or package shipments.

      I mean, what do you think MS (or Amazon or Google) does with the data they collect?

    • Do Do

      Now I know some will think “oh that’s tin foil hat stuff” but myself and others seriously believe that the social engineering to make people more comfortable with the eavesdropping going on in our lives is deliberate.

      As a lot of you know, the most common way of hacking actually involves social engineering and I think that’s exactly whats been going on. Well I’m not comfortable with it and if you bother to read the fine print or if your personal info gets out in the wild, I suspect you and a lot of others won’t either.

      Story I heard in a podcast, a couple had the Amazon Echo. One night they were talking about taking a trip for there vacation and places to go. The next morning the Echo apparently is advertising prices for these places. Another story, you’re searching for prices for an item, you find a specific item, you see the price, you go back the next day and the price has gone up, or you try to buy the same day and it’s sold out or doesn’t work, you go back the next day and price has gone up. This all happens by tracking you either with cookies which is old or other means which are new. I don’t like it and I think huge issues are on the way and corporations that are lulling people into accepting this are being irresponsible.

      Understand I don’t care so much about anonymous info but a lot of it is identifiable info.

    • Adderbox76

      Anytime your “proof” starts with “Story I heard in a podcast”, you should just stop right there. Anecdotes are not proof. Proof consists of verifiable data. You say most people consider this “tinfoil hat stuff” and they’d be right. It’s convenient that the alt-right infowars crowd always has “stories they heard from a friend of a friend” or “a podcast said so”.

      What you are perpetuating is the fallacy of the echo chamber, where you’re “proof” comes from anecdotes that already agree with your point of view because those are the sites that you are more likely to be visiting in the first place. A little like saying that Mac is the best by citing statistics you gathered from cultofmac dot com.

      So unless you have objective evidence for anything that you say, do everyone a favour and stop pretending that “a podcast said so” actually means anything.

    • Do Do

      Proof proof proof…what proof? why don’t you provide “proof” that Windows 10 is NOT doing what security experts are saying since you brought it up.

      So I should accept what the people selling the product and some guy with an alias says over what experts say? That’s laughable. I remember Steve Gibson, a security expert who’s been used by the FBI and actually coined the term “malware” if I’m not mistaken referred to Windows 10 as a “Turd” and the main reason was most of what I’ve written. He’s one expert. There’s many.

      So if one isn’t an expert, what most people do is read more than one source and unlike you, read carefully, I mentioned “podcast” I didn’t say it was my only source did I? Did you read the rest of what I wrote?

      It’s people like yourself that are the polar opposite of “tin foil hat”, you just accept what is put out there blindly and accept it at face and they you’re the first one to say “how could this happen” well people like you are the reason people’s security and privacy is compromised every day.

      Lastly, I’m not interested in the least in doing you any favours and so enjoy your life in bliss and feel free to ignore what I write but don’t delude yourself in thinking you represent the “truth” on the topic.

      Frankly, you can show some brains and ignore everything I wrote as your’ve obviously done anyway and do what an intelligent person would do, read, and I don’t mean sources from Windows advertisers or Windows themselves, or 16 year old reviewers on Youtube. Do a simple search for Window and privacy etc. If you want to swallow what they shove down your throat, feel free but don’t waste your time regurgitating the “people that worry about privacy are stupid” nonsense to me.

    • Jon Shopping

      I might not see eye to eye with you – but I can respect your concerns and view.

      If you like OSX though, maybe Ubuntu would be a nice middle OS for you to try out. Really come a long way. Works great and tons of new features from the newest update.

    • Do Do

      Ubuntu is the last one I tried, it’s actually on an old notebook I have but I haven’t tried it in a couple of years. I wanted to put it on this windows ultrabook when I get around to it but I’m a little hesitant as a guy online said he bricked his notebook doing the same thing. Who knows, not a priority right now.

    • The Iceman Cometh

      There is NOTHING wrong with Windows 10 and compared to previous iterations its a vast improvement. I suggest you try it first before writing it off in the fashion you do.

    • TrickyDickie

      A tin foil hat may not be enough for Do Do… Better line the walls, floor and ceiling before doing this lol ????

      Being serious, it is not nearly as bad as these naysayers make out. And very useful, for example, getting a reminder from Cortana out of the blue for something I had completely forgotten about, or stuff being automatically entered into the calendar. The notifications I get from tabs that I have switched away from in the browser are also pretty helpful sometimes.

      I know others do this as well, but I find it all very helpful.

    • Do Do

      “A tin foil hat may not be enough for Do Do… Better line the walls, floor and ceiling before doing this lol”

      Standard response from people that trouble thinking and debating a difference of opinion.

    • Do Do

      Apparently you did read what I wrote

    • Captain Henry Morgan

      Did you say Windows 10? on Surface Pro 4? It is awesome!

    • Mr Dog

      I do not plug in anything into my older Macbook other than a monitor. Everything is on my Server or Macbook and if I need something WiFi speeds are plenty fast for most use cases.

      At work we use a Dell 15in with Win 7 and nothing is ever plugged in to that either, despite having USB ports. We have docks at our desk that everything stays plugged into so there is no time wasted unplugging and plugging things in. Even for debugging our machines, all debugging is done remotely.

      Sure there are use cases where plugging things in is required. But for most people ports are slowly becoming a thing of the past.

    • a_eh

      That might be the case for you, but I doubt most people don’t use their ports. I would think more likely, most plug in a mouse and keyboard, especially when used with a secondary monitor (and no, Bluetooth is the least common for kb and mouse). USB drives? SD cards? Plug in a phone while it charges? Ethernet is almost a necessity when moving large files with a server (even given AC).

      And like you admit, there are still cases even when you need to plug in things. What will you do then? It wouldn’t kill them or progress for Apple to put in one USB-A port. Like you said, ports are SLOWLY becoming a thing of the past so let’s accommodate that accordingly.

    • Mr Dog

      No doubt, there arent many people able to go without it but over the next few years we will see a lot more people move away from wires and ports. Most average consumers who buy a laptop won’t connect a secondary monitor either.

      Haven’t needed USB Drives, everything is transfered either via AirDrop or through my server. WIth WiFi AC, I’ve never felt the need for Ethernet either. In most cases I get 50-70MB/s transfer 1 room away. Even with Ethernet, I doubt I would see a huge speed jump until SSD’s are cheap enough.

      The only time I feel I might need a USB drive is at work for any large file transfers. My point, 1-2 ports is more than enough moving foward and soon enough none would be manageable.

      It would slow down the adoption of USB-C if they did put USB-A on there.

    • a_eh

      USB drives are essential for a lot of businesses and even at your work, you would still end up needing a dongle to plug that in when you need it. Majority of offices would not depend on AC alone, especially when considering server use. Throughput drops dramatically in a work space, unlike a small home. 1-2 ports might be enough, but it has to be a type people still can use conveniently. And don’t forget you lose one port just by having to charge the device.

      It would only slow down the adoption of USB-C if they were the only OEM to still put a USB-A port on there while no one else does anymore. If they’re the only OEM to let customers use only USB-C, they’re way ahead of the adoption rate and inconveniencing the users. By definition, Apple and the new MBP users are early adopters in this case. Check out what “early adopters” actually mean and the problems they face. (imagine if Apple adopted wireless AC only because that is really the way of the future…)

      Besides, how would you even explain the dropping of the SD card slot anyway? Doesn’t effect USB-C adoption one bit. And the constant lack of a common display interface? It’s not like we’re adopting Thunderbolt or USB-C for TVs/displays/projectors. That’s a user inconvenience without any need.

    • Mr Dog

      I never said it is a viable solution for business yet.

      I am saying, in my workplaces my laptop sits on a dock when I am at the table. The dock allows for connection to multiple monitors, USB, charging and other ports. So nothing physically connects to my Laptop.

      If Apple included USB-A connectors then what motivation is there to make new accessories for USB-C? Accessories manufactures are almost forced to put out a host of USB-C accessories now or be left out of guaranteed revenue from early adopters.

      I think USB-C is more flexible at the end of the day. It is pretty ridiclous that my work laptop purchased in2015 has a VGA port and HDMI. I would have much preferred 2 HDMI or a Display port & HDMI. Atleast if I had a USB-C port, I would have a choice of what connections I get and not stuck with what the manufacture gives me.

    • a_eh

      Yes, I get that it might work for you, but business users are people too. And most people are not like you. As I said, in this case, Apple and new MBP users are early adopters by definition and by the same definition, they will have to suffer through the inconveniences. Rather you are ok with the inconveniences or not, they are still inconveniences the users will have to face.

      Like the adoption of any new technology, theory, what have you, the best and smoothest method for adoption is at a certain rate. Killing all other ports except for one right this moment is too fast a rate for USB-C adoption. The iPhone itself hasn’t even adopted to it yet and they expect everyone else to? This is not how it works for everything else. The only reason really is Apple’s design decision is in terms of aesthetics (like I mentioned, what about that SD slot?). They took their time to adopt to even USB 2.0 (or displayport/HDMI/wireless charging/NFC/contactless payment/SD slot) when that was the clear future and you expect them to do it now well ahead of everyone else for the betterment of USB-C?

      It’s ridiculous to have a VGA port on a 2015 machine. I agree. But you’ll be thanking it if you ever come across a projector with VGA only. It’s not like having the VGA port all this time is an inconvenience. It’s an inconvenience when you need it and don’t have it. Consider what it’ll be like with your MBP now when you are suddenly faced with a VGA/HDMI/DP only device. And you’re about to have it worse if consider USB devices, SD, etc.

  • rick

    Everyone always holds up the example of how Apple ditched the floppy. Newsflash – its no where near the same as dropping the headphone jack. It “could” have been similar on the MBP USB A if Apple had of put some thought in place to have other Apple branded peripherals interoperate with the MBP without a USB A interface – but they didn’t. They just dongled it. They totally dropped the ball.

    The floppy thing……DVD was already mainstream. Other than boot from DVD which was a BIOS challenge that prevented earlier adoption IMO. Point being – no one really missed the floppy and the use case for it was minimal. Not the case with USB A or headphone jacks. There’s evolution – then revolution.

  • Mbuglegs

    Deleting my comments?

    Afraid of ‘CHub life’ backlash?
    Ooo so sensitive in this day and age arent we. Grow a sense of humour connect it to your chub

  • Stinky

    Dunno. The only way the future port arrives is by devices surfacing that use the port. It’s always a little painful to transition, but let’s not pretend that USB-A hasn’t always been painful. Good riddance.

    • p_lindsay

      Good riddance? Should we all just throw out all of our USB peripherals to accommodate Apple being too stupid to just put a USB 3 port on the MacBook? Defending this move is actually idiotic. You can’t even plug in an iPhone for f sakes.

    • Stinky

      Time moves in one direction. Adapters bridge the gap to the past.
      Your resort to a name-calling personal attack on me on a differing technical opinion doesn’t speak well to your character. Please consider classing up a bit.

    • p_lindsay

      I will consider that. Perhaps you’ll consider not riding apples crank for a minute too.

    • Stinky

      I get that it might seem that I’m a fan boy, but in fact the only Apple devices I own – or have ever owned – are access points and a distant-past iPhone. But I’ve got USB-C on my Android phones, and I find that there is quite a bit of charm to that interface and that the associated pain is endurable. Been in this industry since floppy drives were an unaffordable luxury, and I’ve learned to grit teeth and embrace change.
      Thank you for your reply. Keep the faith.

    • p_lindsay

      Dude, there shouldn’t be “pain” involved in buying a computer. USB C is great and nobody is suggesting it shouldn’t be on the MBP, but the fact is USB A isn’t the past, it’s the current for 95% of people.

    • Stinky

      How does a new port standard ever get a share of the market if new devices don’t offer it? We went through the same thing with serial ports, parallel ports, and PS2 ports – those that need to support old peripherals bought adapters. In the day of the thin 3# laptop, the cost of supplying extra legacy ports is too high.

    • p_lindsay

      Omg.

    • Captain Henry Morgan

      He is really a fanboy, he doesn’t know it yet. Save your comments for someone else.

    • Mawhayden

      I do not agree, USB C is the better way to go. With Apple, Google, and other OEMs standardize on a port that has higher specs than USB is only logical. You Sir, are the one that is not forward thinking. USB C is an industry wide standard and not just an Apple standard. …..we use to use horses instead of car you know.

    • jerry man

      Its kind of funny how people are freaking out over this. There are so many simple solutions. My Asus laptop that converts to a tablet already dropped the USB type A for a slim form factor and that was well over a years ago. Inconveniences for me (while I admit they do occur) are far and few between.

      Photographer? – no problem, wifi sharing sd card, yes that exists and has for quite some time (also Nikon SLR cameras have a wifi sharing add on, not too sure about Cannon)

      Want a mouse? – Bluetooth

      want a hard drive? – in many cases it’s more convenient to plug it in to the back of a router, I use ES file explorer on my phone and also access the files on my phone.

      Printer? – well if you have one so old that it can’t connect to Wi Fi or via Ethernet, guess what! that too can be plugged in to the back of most routers. (if you don’t have USB ports on the back of your router, I recommend changing it. Chances are its old and it doesn’t have AC and/or has a slow single core processor which can severely cripple your speeds with multiple users, but…that’s a side note)

      PS. if you’re that concerned about plugging in your I phone with USB C you can spend $30 which is about 1% of the minimum amount of money that you’d have spent to get to that point any way. (based on the lowest tier new MacBook and cheapest iPhone 7)

    • p_lindsay

      Absolutely. It makes WAY more sense to go out and buy a whole bunch of new accessories and cables and throw all the old ones in the garbage. It’s not wasteful at all and clearly makes way more sense than Apple just putting a freaking USB 3 port on the MacBook.

      We all get that USB C is the future, but when even Apple didn’t bother using it on the brand new iPhone 7 it shouldn’t be too hard to see why this is frustrating. I’m in dire need of a new laptop and was waiting for the new MBPs as OSX is my preference over windows but there’s no way in hell I’m giving Apple $3000 to have to carry around dongles for the next couple years.

    • jerry man

      Man haha could you imagine the back lash if they got rid of the headphone Jack and USB A all in one go. It would be like Trump winning the election all over again 😛

    • p_lindsay

      Doesn’t surprise me you’re a Trump supporter.

    • jerry man

      No, haha trust me, I would love to throw him out of an airplane as much as the next guy

    • Josh Brown

      Do you mean usbA? USB 3 is the standard not the port. And we have to change at some point. C is a way better port than A

    • p_lindsay

      Eat a dick

    • Josh Brown

      So are you saying I’m wrong or that C is worst than A?

    • Mawhayden

      I guess you still use your 25 PIN Serial cable too….I am with Lindsay, I I am 55 years old. You may be young but you think like an old man……

    • Mawhayden

      I meant I am with Jerry…

    • p_lindsay

      You’re never to old to be an iTard, bud.

  • Smanny

    I personally think if they went with thunderbolt 3 which is fully compatible with USB-C. Then it’s a great thing. However with that said. Apple could have easily included a micro SD slot. For that matter Apple could have easily made an iPhone 7 with USB-C as well. But since Apple holds all the rights and patents to lightning ports. Then it makes sense for Apple to keep it going, because it’s a cash cow for Apple. The thing that pisses me off about the new MacBook pros is they used the older 6 the gen Intel processors, plus they limit the amount of ram.

  • jay

    Way over my price point. Was waiting for a new MacBook Air. Just for the couch with a good keyboard. Not care about USB C. Would use it for charging maybe. But a lot of people do not understand that mac safe was not bad. Not sure why they did not put that on it.

  • Good Canuck

    While I love Apple’s minimalist design efforts, this goes over the top. Great design is wonderful, but if it’s not functional it’s art. When you need to get work done, you don’t want to have to fuss around with cords.

  • kmanvan

    When I see someone with their super expensive, underspecced macbook “pro” and all those dongles, I can’t help but think “There is someone with a lot of courage.”

    • FTR_Part_deux

      I think the “courage” horse has been beaten to death, but welcome to the party. Better late than never.

    • a_eh

      Apple’s own fault for using such a ridiculous marketing tact. Heck, people are still playing out the “you’re using it wrong” and it’s still worth a smirk.

    • FTR_Part_deux

      Meh…tech companies will always have their own slip ups. What about Bill Gates introducing the “New and Improved Windows” and comes up with BSOD? Regardless, I agree…the courage statement was one of the worst things to have been said…and I’m an Apple user lol.

    • a_eh

      Yeah that’s true. Lots of muck ups everywhere. It’s just how it goes. But Apple is a little different when it comes to marketing. it’s like we won’t let a slip up slide and would poke fun any chance we get for that friend who’s just a bit more arrogant and snobby than the other friends. Love him but he just seems more deserving, ya know?

      And I’ve been a long time Apple user myself, since PowerPC era…. so yeah agreed 😀

  • Graeme

    I for one am really happy Apple has went 100% USB-C.. I am in no way a Mac fan and have never bought any Apple product. But USB-C is far superior and by Mac pushing it many companies will begin making far more USB-C accessories.. so me on my Windows machine will have full compatibility with everything due to both standards being available then when USB-C is ubiquitous. It will be better for everyone.

    To summarize Apple is making this happen faster. With no pain for anyone but their own users .

    • a_eh

      Yeah that’s the general consensus with non MBP users and this is how it works with early adoption of tech. It’s just funny to see fans saying there will be no inconveniences at all. Have fun plugging in that USB drive on the road when there’s only like one model of USB-C drive.