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WIND investor Sawiris: “Whenever they break the rules, sue them”
Last Friday news dropped that the Competition Bureau found “misleading advertising of Rogers’ Chatr” brand for them stating they have fewer dropped calls than the new wireless carriers. This was good news for new entrants Mobilicity and Wind Mobile as it showed their networks to be on par and could see Rogers paying “an administrative monetary penalty of $10 million dollars”.
The new entrants bounced on this news and Tony Lacavera, Chairman of WIND Mobile said “As longstanding champions of wireless choice for Canadians, we are very pleased that the Competition Bureau has come to this conclusion and we applaud its decision to stand up for Canadian consumers and their right to accurate information”. Mobilicity President & CEO Dave Dobbin stated “We commend the Competition Bureau for taking action on the complaints… it seems that the government of Canada, the governments of Quebec, Ontario and Manitoba, and about 31 million Canadians are fed up with the Big 3.” Then late Friday Rogers SVP of Regulatory Affairs, Ken Engelhart was quoted saying “We have extensive, independent third party testing to validate our claims and we stand by our advertising. We will vigorously defend this action in court.”
Then Naguib Sawiris, chairman of Orascom Telecom and major investor of Wind Mobile, was speaking at the Egyptian Canadian Business Networking event in Montreal and had a few words to say about the findings of the Competition Bureau. Sawiris stated that “Whenever they break the rules, sue them. We showed the regulator that our networks are better… They made a big mistake. They thought I was like everyone else. They thought I was going to come here, lose my money and go home. We are very serious about the investment. If they think I am going home – I will not… We are supposed to co-locate with the incumbent players. They have ganged up against us… We still don’t share a single tower. I’m not surprised we’ve had a hard fight.”
This is a big deal and will go on for a few months. Before it was the Big 3 going against each other for who is the biggest, fastest and most reliable. The Government wanted to bring in more competition and now it seems that one of the areas of focus is to slowly reduce/erode the new carriers footprint. Wooing customers to sign up with low handset price, cheap monthly price plans and now advertising that directs them to trust a specific brand over another. There is no word on how many subscribers Mobilicity or Public Mobile has. Wind Mobile recently announced they have signed up over 140,000 subscribers… but at this stage of the game even losing one subscriber is way too much.
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Ha…..yet again, another slap in the face of Rocco and JAWG
come on guys defend your point of view, and how you enjoy taking it up the a*s
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Tony uses a Rogers phone, need I say more.
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The negative press costs them a lot more than 10M.
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Rogers will end up paying and it’s not just about the money. It’s about trust. Rogers failed again.
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Rogers will make sure its subscribers pay for this outrage.
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I lol’d at this because it’s true.
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rogers should just shut their effing yaps and get the hell out of canada. they are not welcomed here. they have been ripping off canadians for decades and they will not stop ripping off consumers as long as they are in business. why isn’t the government protecting canadians from these greedy parasites ?
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So you don’t like that Sawiris is corrupt and “swindles” by evading taxes, shady practices, etc.. Yet you support Rogers, bell, telus, who are in bed with the CRTC and have had a stranglehold on telecom in Canada for a decade plus?
Are you so ignorant that you don’t think there is just as much corruption right here in Canada? If you want to be an international activist, that’s your own deal – but you are biased, uniformed and ignorant.
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So I’m going to see a “legal recovery fee” on my Rogers bill now?
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@JAWG, don’t forget to take your pill L O O S E R.
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do you know how many subs Rogers got 1 year after they launch? lol
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I wouldn’t be upset if Wind or Mobilicity sued Chatr.
Would Rogers have to pay? Absolutely. Chatr isn’t another company with support from Rogers, it’s flat out Rogers under a new brand line. All Chatr property belongs to Rogers.
Sueing them for lost profits based on falsified advertising would be aweswome actually.
How much they would get, that’s up for the courts if they sued.
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@Herry69
The government should not and is not going to protect you from Rogers since they are the very people who allowed Rogers to develop into what it is today in the first place. Blame Canada’s protectionism for your high cellphone prices, not Rogers. Rogers is simply harvesting what the government prepared for them. Any large corporation would do that, no matter if they are called Rogers or not.
However, it seems that at least some people in the government have understood what kind of damage their policies caused and now acted to rectify that. It will be interesting to see how long it takes Rogers and the other two getting off their “free lunch” mentality that they have profited off for so long. I will not cry a single tear for them.
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Just to clarify: The government should ensure a level and fair playing field in an open market, then the rest will sort itself out and prices will come down through competition. And by “fair” I mean that that if customers are being mislead, tricked or other otherwise by companies, they should be facing increasing penalties until they stop.
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I hate them ALL, rogers, wind, mobi bell telus, etc, the whole lot of them!
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I wonder what he will say when Rogers challenges Wind in open court. Rogers is smart. Wind has opened the door, and now they will not like what they find. Rogers will now sue Wind to prove their case that their network is just as good, so Wind will have to release all technical data, showing just how many calls are dropped, and this is exactly what Rogers wants. If it shows Wind does in fact have more dropped calls, Rogers will win their case and be allowed to continue flaunting it. If they lose, they will have paid 10 million dollars to see how the competition is doing.
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You suggest robbers will sue wind for something about the number of dropped calls? On what grounds? WIND NEVER CLAIMED ANYTHING except that ROBBERS was selling FUD. LET ROBBER SUE! They’ll lose big time.
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Actually Wind claimed that Rogers was misleading customers and its network is just as good. So Rogers can easily take them to court to prove what they have claimed, and both Rogers and Wind would have to release all the data based on reliability. If it turns out Wind does have more dropped calls, Rogers can win there case. Calm down and take your Wind glasses off. Im not saying Rogers=God Wind=Foreign Devil, just that Wind has opened a door they may have been better off leaving shut.
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Those of you who think Rogers purposely did this so they could get sued or to open a case about the legality of Wind’s presence in Canada are are a couple cards short of a full deck.
This isn’t how the legal system works here, regardless of what JAWG seems to think with his multiple handles.
They aren’t going to be able to flick a switch and change court case into some soap opera about Wind’s ownership. Further how does anyone suspect anything “JUST” to come from the CRTC or the government when they are corrupt as well. Regardless of what you think about any of the companies offering mobile service in Canada, the CRTC is far from FAIR.
I would suggest that you all focus on more important things like engaging the powers to be to prevent net neutrality from being lost.
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I never said that they can challenge Wind’s right to exist now that it has launched, but there is legal grounds to sue them for the claims Wind has made. Wind has said that Rogers made false claims and has said there network is not better than Winds. Rogers could very easily challenge Winds statements and take them to court, just like Bell did with Rogers over their network claims. Wind would either have to admit they were wrong, or fight it in court and each would need to exchange documents and Rogers would get to see just how reliable it really is.
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Please ignore my twin sister JAWG, her aggravation stems from a long standing abuse of run-on sentences.
JAWGYpants, please just come home.
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Shutup sister! You are scum just like Swaris, me and Rogers are going to sue the CRTC because they didn’t force the goverment to kick you out of Canada for being such scum!
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I wasn’t really addressing you Canadianman20, it was more so at JAWG and his other handles.
You guys need to put this into perspective. Regardless of how many people you see posting on the WIND forum (many by one hit wonder usernames) stating that their services do not work right, these are a small percentage in the larger scheme of things.
Rogers is certainly not perfect, I get dropped calls with them to. I realize they have a far superior system because they have had decades to put it in place. The complaint is also based on the fact that Rogers is abusing their position in the industry to take the legs out from under the other providers.
Wind isn’t out there advertising that they are perfect, or dropping less calls. I really doubt this case will go that far and frankly I don’t want to see more tax payer money invested in a lengthy court battle.
It would be far more beneficial for Canadians for them to take that money and train some nurses or doctors, or give the money to schools.
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My apologies, and yes I have said this before, Rogers is right about there claims, the network will be better but only because of it’s age. Rogers was able to deal with startup issues at a time when people were not expecting to have 100% uptime on there cellphone. But reality is Rogers could have thought the plan though a little better. My time with Wind was a brief one month trial because I found I did not like the issues I dealt with so I stayed with Rogers on a corporate plan through work and pay a little less than I would with Wind, with almost the same benefits. If in 2 years when my contract is up, Wind still is not national, I will do what my buddy did. Last year, Christmas time, Verzion ran an unlimited North America wide plan, and he pays 79.99 US per month and gets unlimited talk text and data anywhere in the USA and Canada. No roaming no nothing. Set up a PO Box in Buffalo and pays to have the mail forwarded.
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No Canadianman Rogers advertising wasn’t based on any real evidence, not any scientific or professional study. That is why they got sued.
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Reg I am afraid you are mistaken, they have a case study but a 3rd party. The same 3rd party that has gone on record in saying they have extensive data. That much is fact. As I pointed out once in court you have to prove your case and they can and will play dirty. It was laughable to read what Swari said. I mean honestly now. He lies and gets fines and no one says a word? I know lets ask him about the 600 million in back taxes. I know I know.. not the same thing. The fact remains the 10 million was a suggestion that will be looked at. What I did find interesting was that of the 4 new players only 1 had trouble with the CRTC Interesting. Also someone made a good point when rogers made a claim that someone disputed it was handled in a more civil way.. now it would seem the gloves are off. I do find all this interesting.. the wind zealots standing behind the tarnished leader. Warms my heart it does!
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@Canadianman20, are you sure that can work with Verizon? I would do that as well. Would be beneficial for me to have a USA based cell number. Thanks
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Yes it does work. My buddy lives in Brampton, and he has a BB Storm 2 with Verizon, and him and I use BBM to communicate, as he has a US number and it would cost me money to call him. I have seen his bill, it was an offer that they had during the holidays. His dad drives a truck between Toronto and Buffalo, so he set up a PO Box down there. Just watch Verizon and see if it pops back up (It has for 2 years) and get a PO Box number. I also have seen a few people use the same tactic to get US satillite service here in Canada. I dont think Verizon ever thought Canadians would do it, but he has and its cool.
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As per Mobilesyrup :
”Update #4: Finally Rogers has responded to this news. We were sent an e-mail that stated the following:
We’re surprised by the actions of the Competition Bureau,” said Ken Engelhart, Senior Vice President of Regulatory, Rogers Communications. “We have extensive, independent third party testing to validate our claims and we stand by our advertising. We will vigorously defend this action in court.”
“We’ve completed extensive testing in coverage areas across the country and there’s no question that the testing validates the advertising in market,” said Todd Stone, President & CEO, Score Technologies. Score Technologies is an independent third party organization that specializes in network testing for leading wireless carriers across North America. ”
So at the end of the day, this is just a big waist of time and money for all companies so its ALL customers that will lose because of this.
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Meh, I don’t really believe them.
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I see the fake JAWG is drinking heavily today…nice touch!
@Regulator:
Thank you for finally admitting that the government is corrupt since they are the ones who allowed Wind into the market under a cloud of deceitful tactics/actions and essentially the CRTC actually did stand up for Canadians in this case wanting to deny them access considering we now know for sure that Wind is foreign owned and fully controlled by Orascom (who is CORRUPT with a complete history to prove it) in my opinion making this illegal due to our present regulations like many believe,so without a full investigation we will never know if the CRTC are just as corrupt as the government since they may only be following written policies and the only thing we do know for sure is that Rogers/Bell/Telus are not corrupt with absolutely no evidence whatsoever against them in anyway providing services under this system…hate/assumptions by lunatics on this site doesn’t count and just like you implying I have multiple handles which I don’t is meaningless.
Obviously you have no knowledge of our judicial system!
Rogers now has the full legal right to defend themselves in a court of law and they will,this means that in the process of fighting their fine and proving Chatr has a right to exist which they do they can open any door they wish…if that means going after the foreign ownership issue in the end in various cases or even little things like making Wind prove all the lies they allow Fanboys to post on their bias/one-sided/hypocritical web-site are true everything is open for discussion.The only proven fact is that the Government was dishonest which is what we should really be focusing on and that Orascom is honestly corrupt with a track record of tax evasion/bribes/dealing with Dictators/etc which can’t be denied and they can’t be trusted…therefore instead of rambling on trying to convince people otherwise let individuals make their own decisions and allow freedom of speech which you are afraid of where you can only insult the posters you disagree with who are a lot more genuine than you.
We all know Chatr has a right to exist,that all the new entrants are using hype instead of performing and that allowing this garbage without serious change will only destroy our industry…if you’re only interested is for cheaper rates regardless what you destroy you’re not much of a Canadian and you’ve already proven you’re not based on your beliefs.
I personally don’t think it will go to court as Rogers has many options and Wind/Mobilicity fear this,yet if Rogers decides to play hardball which I hope they will they can easily win in the end and don’t think they entered this blindly like Canadian man suggested…the fight is starting and without new Subs the Newbies will soon be dead.
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When did I ever say that our Government wasn’t corrupt? Obviously you are as illiterate as you are bird brained.
Secondly, go see a shrink! There’s help available for people like you.
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Keep our jobs in Canada, Keep it Canadian!!!
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I rather pay more to Rogers Bell TELUS because I know my money is going to a real Canadian company, I have friends that work there and so many depend on their jobs to pay for their mortgages, lively hood, etc.
Without the big 3, alot of people would be in the whole. Atleast the big 3 contributes back to our country through various charities, what will WIND do??? Take the money back to Egypt and contribute nothing to our beloved country!
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Guest? Umm you know Bell would outsource their mommas to the Philipines or wherever if they could? Who do you think you’re calling when your phone is down?
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@Guest:
Amen to that again!
@Reg:
The only illiterate is you because you are bird brained…I clearly told you that I have no other handles and I have no reasons for doing that.I don’t need the help…YOU DO!
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This is what StubbornOx said on the Wind web-site today even though they delete almost all complaints or truths about how bad CS/the network/service is:
“Anyone else not able to access their voicemail? It seems like there is always something with WIND that is down or “coming soon”.. How about some notifications when services are down? A Msg on a website is too much to ask for?”
Rogers has great CS,they do fix things and regardless what lies you hear about them on here out of hate their service/network is good also…in no way can this be applied to Wind and most of the people who left Wind can tell you how many tickets went ignored with no actions no matter what country they are in.Just like the Fanboys that site promotes sheer hype/propaganda for personal benefits with no integrity and doing this you never win.If certain people hate the Big Three it’s because they abused their privilege in using their cell phones as no one forced them to sign contracts and obviously they are to blame for their own misery just like when they get their cars repossessed/claim bankruptcy/max out their credit cards out of their own stupidity.No one can prove Wind’s network/service is better and the sooner they fail the better for Canada since out providers are first rate.
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@JAWG,
The fact that you just quoted something that someone else (maybe you wrote) stating that “the abused their PRIVILEGE in using their cell phone” shows how much of goomba you really are.
Last time I checked, it isn’t a privilege to pay for a service and to want to use it.
Seriously man lay off that blow, I know it’s hard for you to keep your nose out of the powder but you truly need a head examination.
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@Reg:
Did you take your medication today or what?
Just like driving a car using a cell phone is a privilege (especially if you are young or an adult with no brains like you),you abuse that privilege then you have no one else to blame but yourself for the mistakes and the majority of angry Fanboys against Rogers are only basing their opinions on sheer hate with no proof of their accusations against this company or their own immaturity/ignorance in the way they abused their services where once you sign you don’t go back to read the fine print just to impress your phony with a shiny new Android you can’t afford …in short it’s amazing that these same people instead of fighting for a better industry would rather sell out completely to a corrupt foreign corporation like Orascom for slightly lower rates on a much inferior network and promote lies.
So like I said…wear yourself out as those that left Wind to go back to the Big three know the truth and that’s what counts…not your insanity.
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your phony=your friends
buy an edit button!
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I think we will all agree no good can come from this. Wind does not dispute the fact they have a weaker network, they only state they did not supply any data to prove it 1 way or the other. Semantics is what we are talking about here. Some posts ago I said about the child with the chocolate frosting around his/her mouth and the portion of cake missing. A reasonable person would say you ate the cake. So if the fact remains that calls are dropped on Winds side far more often, tests and studies and the countless people that say so daily are to be believed then I think we know where this is going.
You have to prove damages, this is another thing that will be a problem. Rogers can simply place people on the street and ask them about brand awareness and again it will be shown that a great many people do not know about wind, or that many that do will have a story about how it did not work for them or how they dropped calls etc. Wind.ca is almost 1 billion in the red.. The parent company is taking a beating in wireless so much so they are desperate to sell it off. If I was a shareholder I would ask.. ” how is it we have over 90 million subs and we made a little more than 1 billion last year and Rogers that has 6 million ( more or less ) and they made 2 billion in sales.. but all that aside.
Rogers says they have fewer dropped calls. Wind says How do you know we have not released any data. Rogers says here we have a study.. Wind says what good is your study if we did not give them any numbers?! The someone says YEah! we are gonna suggest the courts slap you with a 10 million dollar fine. thats pretty much it in a nutshell.
Now he fine could be much less, they have already pulled the claim.. much like they did when bell made a fuss.
Yes rogers looks bad.. but as I have said the public forgets.. ML foods toyota etc…
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JAWG,
Instead of spending nearly all your time Trolling various websites, forums, providers etc and getting banned why don’t you go out and do something? You seem to talk a big game online with your “e-activist” (similar to e-gangsta syndrome) bravado. You can fight Wind as much as you want but I’d be willing to bet they will be here longer than you think.
Just because you have some sort of OBSESSION with bashing Wind, and making fun of people who want cheaper rates on their wireless, it doesn’t mean you are right.
Further, you’re the one promoting lies and slander, not me buddy. The proof is in the decades of overcharging Canadians for wireless service.
You think you’re sharp and have wit, meanwhile you are the guy who most people on all the forums I’ve visited seem to detest. Yeah I heard about your stint on howard and other sites.
You’re the one who needs to get a life. You sound like a pathetic, spoiled, mentally damaged child.
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Reg time and time again it has been said it is not just about wireless. Please get that notion out of your head. There have been many companies that have tried to use the wind/gl formula to gain access and have been stopped. Companies that would employ many more people that wind ever could, directly and indirectly and they are told sorry do not pass go. This is a huge issue. It is simply not just about wireless. Once you get past that it all the issues do come to a head.
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@Reggie The Weggie:
Sorry,that’s not me and you got that wrong…you’re the one who is on every site trolling for Wind and trying to get people banned that don’t agree with you.Plus I’m not obsessed with Wind since I know eventually they will destroy themselves without myself and I have no interest in making fun of people who want cheaper rates…I just like making fun of you as you foolishly believe that paying cheaper rates on Wind will give you a superior service and that because you hate Rogers for your own delusional reasons you think you are saving the Canadian Mobile Industry.We’re trying to improve it without supporting corrupt foreign corporations like Orascom and what is wrong with that.
Furthermore,most of your comments are based on lies/slander and when your BP goes up you resort to insults/name calling/jokes about my dead mother…bottom line you’re a coward with no intelligence and whatever the Big Three overcharged you at least got great service unlike being with Wind where you pay less to get inferior service and you are actually losing more money.Got to love those blocked ports after a whole year and VM that doesn’t work along with billing.
I didn’t say I’m sharp or have wit,I just know you don’t and if people detest me on other forums I can’t help that since it’s not me…furthermore please don’t talk about Howard which is run by a bunch of teenage mods that can’t even read and if anyone is mentally damaged it’s you…pretty pathetic that you can’t debate and your only obvious alternative is to try destroying free speech.
I still hope your marriage with Pablo goes through and that he can make you lose some of that anger.
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JAWG,
Seriously man you talk tough for a troll.
You along with all your posts are irrelevant.
Did you have some sort of traumatic experience as a child?
Again, I use my Wind mobile Blackberry to make long distance calls and not worry about my talk time. It works fine for my purpose.
I’d suggest you go back to mopping those floors, and cleaning those toilets.
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@Regulator:
I am tough…yet not a troll as you suggest or imply!
You only respond with insults…you never respond with anything logical or rational and like a child you want people to follow you/your little gang in believing everything you say…HOW OLD ARE YOU?
If the BB works fine for you high up on Hamilton Mountain I’m truly happy for you,still that’s not how you test a service/network and I believe the people I know a lot more who used Wind before they finally left…so keep preaching/promoting your crap.
Like I said…you’re a coward that is a joke!
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Yeah theres no fact in thd fact that canada has the legacy of being known for having some of the highest rates in the world. There is no fact in that at all.
You are an insult to your own mother and should be ashamed of your conduct. Yeah your a tough guy Jawg.
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Let’s put it this way Weggie!
It’s easy to insult my dead mother over a web-site,after the first time in public you wouldn’t be standing and I assure you have that…you are a mindless coward and thank God you are on the Wind side.They need people like you and obviously what they represent.At least Mobi supporters have some honesty…Windies are just plain ignorant.Serves you well!!!
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I didnt insult your mother, I insulted you, you godam bhenchod sala gandu.
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Btw j**g only a fool would be so arrogant to say they would knock someone out theyve seen.
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Edit: never scene
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Funny coming from someone who probably enjoys wearing his sister’s panties to feel all special in private…what a fool!
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No problem…I know you wouldn’t have the balls to do that in public…you’re just a Forum Bully with imaginary balls.
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You mean “never seen”…stop drinking!
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Ragubator, JAWG is not against competition he is against poor quality. He wants more fair play just like the rest of us but not at the expense of a poor network.
Just as you said before that it serves your purpose but did you ever consider that it’s not for everyone. I have a small business and i can not join the new entrants because phone calls for me mean money. If you just use a phone for talking top friends than that is your choice to stay but do not come out and say that it is a great service when most know it is not.
Stay on the facts that it the new entrants have a ways to go and stop insulting JAWG and whomever you do not agree with. Instead of calling him names go get some proof that what he says is false about Orescam, you will not be able to because what he and Rocco and others have posted is true so yo resort to name calling.
What is your wind employee number?
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@tbr:
You always break me up Bro…that one was good at the end!
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I have been suffereing from Rogers, Bell and Telus for years paying huge bills with service charges upto $100.00 a month.
New companies like Wind, Mobicity has brought lots of relief to students and general population who were broke and gave lots of talk on phone for minimum amount.
Rogers being Canadian is sucking there own blood for years like a leach. Atleast new companies are helping poor Canadians God have mercy on Wind, Mobilicty and Public Mobile and grow business with unlimited access.
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Just like cell phones Canadians need some break on internet and cable companies. Lord have mercy,
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I’m a proud rogers customer =3 4eva
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ROGERS FTW
MobiliCity FTW
FIDO FTW
WIND For the lose FTL
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wind breaks the rules all the time though ot be fair, and trust me I do not love Rogers (I am leaving chatr this coming friday).
They have broken many laws in egypt and sent honest reporters to jail for writing the truth.
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Man j**g ur mom is turning in her grave. She probably wonders where she went wrong with you.
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JAWG GOT R$PED from his mother, and turned up as an obcessed loser of WIND
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You can knock Wind all you want but I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t invest in Canada by putting up a sub par network. Rogers deserves that they get. How much would it have costed Rogers to have a look and fix what their customers have been complaining about for the past decades. Companies like Rogers opened the flood gates, now they lose thousands of subscribers and roger’s loses 10 millions. I’ve said it before, if you have a problem with wind being a foreign partnership then put up or shut up. Canadians had every opportunity to stand up and be counted. They had the opportunity to create a network that wouldn’t have a hard time finding subscribers as we were all pissed off at the companies that we were with. Where were they? We got orascom and now thousands of Canadians have services that when the going gets rough, they can get going without a 400 dollar cancellation fee. People wanna complain, next time do something about it. You can’t always rely on the fact that you’re canadian and then offer crap to your consumers. Not to mention, these companies cry about how they’re so hard done by. Take GM for instance, they aren’t even Canadian. A lot of their vehicles aren’t even made in Canada or America. Their parts aren’t either. I wish canada would start getting some balls and drum up some business for ourselves so that we wouldn’t need other countries to bail us out. We have the talent, let’s utilize it and stop being a big northern shadow.
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Well sorry but a great many cars are made here, parts too Look at Magna they make parts, right here in canada for all the OEMS so I think you need to re think that a bit. the ” fine ” is a suggestion. If it was a fine then Rogers would be off to pay it at the bank.. but since the CB has no ” teeth ” they need a court to impose the law. Now I know that many have reported its a done deal and yet the more you read on it the more you find its not a done deal. Canada has a great deal of talent, thats for sure.. but you have to ask yourself this.. how is it that other companies are not being allowed to come to Canada using the Globalive formula.. you know the one.. know nothing about the service, get 100% funding, all the experts equipment etc and bring nothing to the table.. and yet they are told sorry you are not welcomed here. Blame the crtc.. blame IC they are the ones keeping all the talent unemployed. I read someones post about a company from across the pond that wanted to come to Canada and set up shop. They were going to employ Canadian talent.. much like wind did.. front line staff etc.. but they also were going to export the finished product world wide.. they would need rail support, trucking, shipping.. raw materials.. Strelco was going to get a huge boost.. Brofasco for hardware, tool shops tool and die makers CNC machinists, directly and indirectly they were going to inject far more than GL could. many times more jobs, world wide products.. but IC said no.. why? that my friend is the question JAWG myself and dozens more people ask.. you can copy the Globalive formula and it is rejected. I do hope the courts compel the powers that be to open up to the public what back room deal was struck to make GL bend the rules. As I and many others have said it is far more than just cellular. That is the purview of the CRTC you can not have it both ways.
Yaright you have asked some important questions. Good points.. why not us.. well IC those that allowed GL to come to market hold the rest of the country hostage. What is the greater good? Cheap cellular or many more jobs directly and indirectly. I think you know the answer my friend.. JAWG could not say word 1 IF the record was public.. I could not say a word if it was a level playing field. 4 new guys 3 with clear and transparent funding.. and 1 with shady and hidden funding.. why is Tony in his own blog asking if foreign ownership is such a bad thing..
Your point of GM, parts etc well let me put it to you like this.. GM, Ford Honda etc all have factories here, they all employ canadians.. ok wind does too but where do they get the materials from? , well steel town so that employs them there too.. yeah.. and the tires.. ahuh from the goodyear factory or firestone.. fasteners? latches.. Magna.. thats another Canadian company more people employed there.. and when the cars are finished where are they sent? oh yes all over the world.. parts same thing.. so even more jobs.. they own buildings, they pay huge rents, corp taxes ( we all know what winds parent company does with the tax issues 600 million and growing )
Globalive does not own a single building, they rent. Not a single tower to speak of just roof top units, said units are an asset of Orascom.. simply put it is all about what you bring to the table. but as many would argue.. they just want cheap cellular. Yaright a lot needs to change I agree with you.. but turning a blind eye and just caring about cellular is foolish.
You my friend touched upon the big picture. I applaud you.
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JAWG, son please do not behave like this.
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@Fake JAWG & Regulator:
Never play with the dead…I would be more concerned that she comes back to haunt you at night for the comments you cowards made.Proves my point,Wind is supported by teens with no brains and adults who are just as ignorant…I don’t expect anything better from all of you and in the end this is what will eventually defeat Orascom.Pretty sad way to act and shows how low your IQ level is.Good luck with that!
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Wind is operating as a Canadian company at the moment; is it not? They are employing Canadians? are they not? Their call centre is in Canada. Is it not? However, the other companies have their call centres in other countries yet you support them. Orascom invested in Canada when Canadians weren’t investing in Canada. Is that bad?
As for GM, they have laid off many Canadian workers and American workers. When they did that, they also start a trickle down effect for their canadian and american parts suppliers. They sent those jobs oversees. A lot of GM’s new cars are not just made by GM, they have Japanese parts in them, Korean parts and I could go on.
I really don’t get it, it’s ok for canadian companies to beat on us but foreigners shouldn’t give us money? Orascom also invested in Canada in the middle of a recession. Don’t forget that.
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Yaright excellent points But Wind is not operating as a Canadian company. The leadership is across the pond and they call the shots. Clearly the subscriber number issue is proof of that… also how the only investor speaks freely about suing here an there when he has no business according to Tony he is just the bank. The employ some Canadians bit the technical talent is from Orascom.. not Canada. Call centres are in India and Egypt. along with Canada. the latter is being phased out. It is 1 thing to invest in Canada but the degree of investment is far different than my examples.
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@yaright:
I won’t repeat what my friend there Rocco said because his point was beautifully illustrated,however you can’t really compare GM to Wind/Orascom or what is going on today in our mobile industry in Canada…we have an Auto Pact that took years to build through negotiations across the border/overseas that is reasonably fair and it has brought prosperity for many towns/cities in manufacturing cars and using our resources.However,in the same way Wind/Orascom is actually doing the opposite in destroying our future and making things more difficult to recover…so in reality you/me/Rocco/tbr/many others want the same things to happen and we are not that different.In fact,with a little work it would show that we actually agree on many things and need that to make changes…we also would like to see that instead of just supporting things that offer no benefits.
Think of it man!
We have set rules/regulations in place that govern our mobile industry,our providers are great and so are their services/networks after decades of building them and that’s from ocean to ocean which is an amazing accomplishment where almost all features are usable…still our providers are functioning under a badly flawed system that regardless what we all say is LEGAL that many times goes against users better interests and the reason for that is our pathetic GOVERNMENT.I personally don’t think the CRTC is totally corrupt as people think they are if they’re following government policies and this was clear in the way they tried to protect us against Wind/Orascom by denying access to them to enter Canada in being foreign owned.By Clement then allowing them in at the last minute by breaking the rules simply for them shows we have severe problems with our system and that this method of governing our industry is a joke which only the Fanboys support thinking short term slightly lower phone rates so they can use their Androids to impress their friends is the answer which is plain ridiculous.I think Rocco,tbr,myself want something a lot stronger that has meaning and actually will benefit all…the majority of individuals on here do not represent Canadians and are making decisions with no logic.
Although I’m not a big fan of Mobilicity/PM in Ontario I personally don’t have anything against them,if Mobi acted more professionally without acting like immature kids on this site I would try them again if their direction changed and they kept to the original plan in competing with meaning instead of sending clown militias on the street to make fools out of themselves against Rogers who is just laughing at them…this does not inspire greatness and only children would get a kick out of this since it is useless when it comes to building a better network.However,Wind is a totally different issue and they have no right to be here…THEY ARE A DISGRACE.
First,before being allowed into the market they manipulated people to help them get into Canada with false promises and lies against our providers creating a mob mentality with individuals who can’t think for themselves and basically broke our laws since Wind is foreign owned where they NEVER should have been allowed to enter through Clement’s under the table deal…if this is not true then give us a full independent investigation that covers everything and complete disclosures.On top of this the PC’s allowed a predator corporation like Orascom into the country that is fully corrupt where their record speaks for itself with proven history and this is the kind of GARBAGE you think will help our industry?Thank GOD the majority of those Canadians who tried Wind unsatisfied went back to the Big Three happily and are not brain washed into thinking Wind is our savior.
I wish some of you would buy a brain and use it!
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Regardless of the recent transgressions, I must assure all of you that I will do my very best to remove the competition while increasing prices for my loving loyal customers. Without you, I would not have wireless access in my grave. Thank you for making me and my family multi-millionaires.
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Just to let you know the network is still great!
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I’m astounded by many of the comments being posted here. You’ve gone from ranting on the wireless carriers to making venomous comments about each other. What’s that about? Most of you seem to overlook the fact that we are on a democratic free enterprise system. There isn’t one of us who would start a company without intending to turn a profit and hopefully trying to provide the best service possible at a reasonable price. Personally, the combination of Fido and Sony Ericsson achieves that goal. What puzzles me is why one would sign on with the new carriers with their limited coverage areas unless you have no life and never leave your neighbourhood. For example, it would cost me a fortune in roaming charges because I travel all over the place. And who makes money on these charges? Oh no, not the big bad 3! Come on folks, no one is forced stay with any carrier or go to another. You don’t even have to have a cell phone.
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