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	<title>Comments on: New WIND video talks about rate plans &amp; monopolies</title>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like your view isn&#039;t held by the Canadian government.

Your mortgage may be from Canadian money in Canadian funds, but your bank can still pull your mortgage anytime. In fact, Canada can take your land too.

Kudos on linking to three Corporate Responsibility Reports. I was sure thinking about how responsible they were when Bell offered me a plan change and neglected to tell me My 5 numbers were no longer national. When I called to ask what was up when I got the bill - I got told it was my problem.

Real responsible behavior.

Go toot your Canadian-owned Pro-CRTC horn to Robelus - Maybe you can get a job with them. You and they are hiding the fact clearly that the service is awful and they consistently &quot;neglect&quot; to inform the customer about complex details that are not available in print anywhere in the forum you&#039;re viewing (Bell customer clan change form online). The ONLY way I could have known is by having multiple browser windows open and reading fine print in the secondary window.

Also, you&#039;re comparing a publicly held company to a privately held company. The fact every detail was placed in the open is disgusting and was used with the clear intent of providing proprietary business info to the incumbents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like your view isn&#8217;t held by the Canadian government.</p>
<p>Your mortgage may be from Canadian money in Canadian funds, but your bank can still pull your mortgage anytime. In fact, Canada can take your land too.</p>
<p>Kudos on linking to three Corporate Responsibility Reports. I was sure thinking about how responsible they were when Bell offered me a plan change and neglected to tell me My 5 numbers were no longer national. When I called to ask what was up when I got the bill &#8211; I got told it was my problem.</p>
<p>Real responsible behavior.</p>
<p>Go toot your Canadian-owned Pro-CRTC horn to Robelus &#8211; Maybe you can get a job with them. You and they are hiding the fact clearly that the service is awful and they consistently &#8220;neglect&#8221; to inform the customer about complex details that are not available in print anywhere in the forum you&#8217;re viewing (Bell customer clan change form online). The ONLY way I could have known is by having multiple browser windows open and reading fine print in the secondary window.</p>
<p>Also, you&#8217;re comparing a publicly held company to a privately held company. The fact every detail was placed in the open is disgusting and was used with the clear intent of providing proprietary business info to the incumbents.</p>
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		<title>By: TNSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>TNSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.telus.com/csr
http://your.rogers.com/aboutrogers/csr/overview.asp
http://www.bce.ca/en/responsibility/
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2009/2009-678.htm

Happy reading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.telus.com/csr" rel="nofollow">http://www.telus.com/csr</a><br />
<a href="http://your.rogers.com/aboutrogers/csr/overview.asp" rel="nofollow">http://your.rogers.com/aboutrogers/csr/overview.asp</a><br />
<a href="http://www.bce.ca/en/responsibility/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bce.ca/en/responsibility/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2009/2009-678.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2009/2009-678.htm</a></p>
<p>Happy reading!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude - that is a dumbest comment I&#039;ve read this morning.

What law have they broken? Please show me any charge or judgement that&#039;s come out? Post a link!

Disrespect our citizens? A bunch of money came from a foreign backer and the CRTC has an issue with it. They&#039;re taking their time and donating hours of pay to public causes? When do the Big Three do this?

I&#039;m not attacking them currently, but where do you get off even saying this? This comment doesn&#039;t even have merit.

The video is misleading, and I think it&#039;s poorly done. I don&#039;t think - however - they&#039;re breaking any laws.

The CEO is Canadian, they employ Canadians. The question is and always has been, &quot;Is the fact he got money from overseas OK?&quot;

Get on the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude &#8211; that is a dumbest comment I&#8217;ve read this morning.</p>
<p>What law have they broken? Please show me any charge or judgement that&#8217;s come out? Post a link!</p>
<p>Disrespect our citizens? A bunch of money came from a foreign backer and the CRTC has an issue with it. They&#8217;re taking their time and donating hours of pay to public causes? When do the Big Three do this?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not attacking them currently, but where do you get off even saying this? This comment doesn&#8217;t even have merit.</p>
<p>The video is misleading, and I think it&#8217;s poorly done. I don&#8217;t think &#8211; however &#8211; they&#8217;re breaking any laws.</p>
<p>The CEO is Canadian, they employ Canadians. The question is and always has been, &#8220;Is the fact he got money from overseas OK?&#8221;</p>
<p>Get on the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really get a feel for who works for a kiosk when I read the comments. I can just read through and see who&#039;s a 20-something guy working in a kiosk, making his cut on 3-yr contracts and then extols the virtues of Bell/Rogers/Telus or their held companies.

Accusing Globalive of breaking laws? What? Are they selling phones yet? What &quot;law&quot; have they broken?

Both sides are using their information to play dumb consumers either way. Welcome to capitalism.

3 year contracts are a little ridiculous, agreed. I think there should be phone discounts based on your plan for a time span (1 yr @ $60/mo+ for a $400 discount on a phone, etc). That&#039;s a good system based on profit and fair to those who don&#039;t use a phone much or use one a lot.

The reality is some people are riding the Establishment train in true protectionist fashion, or riding the &quot;I want free phones&quot; idea when they should quickly get it that you aren&#039;t going to get free phones every month when you sign up with Wind. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really get a feel for who works for a kiosk when I read the comments. I can just read through and see who&#8217;s a 20-something guy working in a kiosk, making his cut on 3-yr contracts and then extols the virtues of Bell/Rogers/Telus or their held companies.</p>
<p>Accusing Globalive of breaking laws? What? Are they selling phones yet? What &#8220;law&#8221; have they broken?</p>
<p>Both sides are using their information to play dumb consumers either way. Welcome to capitalism.</p>
<p>3 year contracts are a little ridiculous, agreed. I think there should be phone discounts based on your plan for a time span (1 yr @ $60/mo+ for a $400 discount on a phone, etc). That&#8217;s a good system based on profit and fair to those who don&#8217;t use a phone much or use one a lot.</p>
<p>The reality is some people are riding the Establishment train in true protectionist fashion, or riding the &#8220;I want free phones&#8221; idea when they should quickly get it that you aren&#8217;t going to get free phones every month when you sign up with Wind. lol</p>
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		<title>By: "greg" is a shill</title>
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		<dc:creator>"greg" is a shill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seconded....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seconded&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regards to Customer Support, I have actually been really happy with Telus. I know this sounds like a total plug, but after having to deal with the Fido reps and the hold lengths they put me through, Telus has been angelic. I have never been on hold more than a minute or two with them.

Regardless though, 3 year contracts are ridiculous. Americans are mad that they have to sign 2 year contracts. I would much rather just buy a phone from whatever manufacturer I please and then choose a network, and have my monthly rates reflect that. Something like the Koodo tab would be cool too, more of a carrot than stick approach to customer loyalty.

And monthly rates are stupid here. For a &#039;student&#039; plan with essentials and data, it is at least $60 a month. Gah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regards to Customer Support, I have actually been really happy with Telus. I know this sounds like a total plug, but after having to deal with the Fido reps and the hold lengths they put me through, Telus has been angelic. I have never been on hold more than a minute or two with them.</p>
<p>Regardless though, 3 year contracts are ridiculous. Americans are mad that they have to sign 2 year contracts. I would much rather just buy a phone from whatever manufacturer I please and then choose a network, and have my monthly rates reflect that. Something like the Koodo tab would be cool too, more of a carrot than stick approach to customer loyalty.</p>
<p>And monthly rates are stupid here. For a &#8216;student&#8217; plan with essentials and data, it is at least $60 a month. Gah.</p>
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		<title>By: AngryChineseDriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>AngryChineseDriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, look at the WIND/WIND fans smackdown going on. Who brought the haterade?

To the Rogellus shills, please try to defend these questions (that some may have already asked):

1) How are their rates reasonable at all when we pay more than the rest of the developed AND developing world, while our penetration rate is pathetic?

2) Where is the competition? They offer the exact same rates, give or take a couple bucks.

3) Why do they refuse to sell unlocked phones, again like the rest of the planet?

And to those complaining about WIND&#039;s secrecy regarding plans, use your brain; do you show your hand at the table during a round of Texas Hold &#039;Em?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, look at the WIND/WIND fans smackdown going on. Who brought the haterade?</p>
<p>To the Rogellus shills, please try to defend these questions (that some may have already asked):</p>
<p>1) How are their rates reasonable at all when we pay more than the rest of the developed AND developing world, while our penetration rate is pathetic?</p>
<p>2) Where is the competition? They offer the exact same rates, give or take a couple bucks.</p>
<p>3) Why do they refuse to sell unlocked phones, again like the rest of the planet?</p>
<p>And to those complaining about WIND&#8217;s secrecy regarding plans, use your brain; do you show your hand at the table during a round of Texas Hold &#8216;Em?</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem signing a contract (even if I feel I am paying to much) because I know (for the most part) what I am getting myself into. The thing the really makes me upset is the fact that we fork over sometimes thousands of dollars a year and we get horrible customer support. I am sick of calling CS and getting some smart ass kid who thinks he knows everything telling me off. I don&#039;t think I have ever been as angry as when I am trying to deal with CS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem signing a contract (even if I feel I am paying to much) because I know (for the most part) what I am getting myself into. The thing the really makes me upset is the fact that we fork over sometimes thousands of dollars a year and we get horrible customer support. I am sick of calling CS and getting some smart a*s kid who thinks he knows everything telling me off. I don&#8217;t think I have ever been as angry as when I am trying to deal with CS.</p>
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		<title>By: Koolaid drinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koolaid drinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Rogers did do that with the launch of the iPhone. But to your first point the cost from APPLE was pushing 800 bucks. 
So provider pays 800 for the device, then you pay 200 delta is 600... Correct!!!! 
Then they charge you let&#039;s say 75 per month, it takes them at least 8 months to turn a profit. 
Again I am not saying it is right but, really if consumers really pay attention there are some great deals to be had with all providers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Rogers did do that with the launch of the iPhone. But to your first point the cost from APPLE was pushing 800 bucks.<br />
So provider pays 800 for the device, then you pay 200 delta is 600&#8230; Correct!!!!<br />
Then they charge you let&#8217;s say 75 per month, it takes them at least 8 months to turn a profit.<br />
Again I am not saying it is right but, really if consumers really pay attention there are some great deals to be had with all providers.</p>
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		<title>By: Koolaid drinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koolaid drinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of many reasons why rogers fees are the highest. But they are a Canadian company supporting canadian jobs.</description>
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