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	<title>Comments on: Bell&#8217;s blue map shows they dominate over Rogers</title>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
		<link>http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/11/09/bells-blue-coloured-coverage-map-shows-they-dominate-over-rogers/#comment-44321</link>
		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see an updated map of this as Bell&#039;s still preaching the same map at their stores while Rogers has expanded quite a bit in SW Ontario since the map above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see an updated map of this as Bell&#8217;s still preaching the same map at their stores while Rogers has expanded quite a bit in SW Ontario since the map above.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/11/09/bells-blue-coloured-coverage-map-shows-they-dominate-over-rogers/#comment-28637</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had it out with Bell while I was using the Palm Pre on their CDMA network.  I dropped calls all over the Greater Toronto Area, but mostly at my house and where I work because I was in what Bell called two &quot;marginal call area&#039;s&quot;.  They preached when I threatened cancellation to try an iPhone 3GS on their HSPA network, claiming it to have better penetration and stonger signal.  Sure enough, same signal both at work and at home, and I continued to drop calls.  

As much as these maps make you think they have expanded there coverage area, individual results may very.  

I wasn&#039;t very impressed with the launch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had it out with Bell while I was using the Palm Pre on their CDMA network.  I dropped calls all over the Greater Toronto Area, but mostly at my house and where I work because I was in what Bell called two &#8220;marginal call area&#8217;s&#8221;.  They preached when I threatened cancellation to try an iPhone 3GS on their HSPA network, claiming it to have better penetration and stonger signal.  Sure enough, same signal both at work and at home, and I continued to drop calls.  </p>
<p>As much as these maps make you think they have expanded there coverage area, individual results may very.  </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t very impressed with the launch.</p>
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		<title>By: TNSF</title>
		<link>http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/11/09/bells-blue-coloured-coverage-map-shows-they-dominate-over-rogers/#comment-28621</link>
		<dc:creator>TNSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Rogers has a deal with MTS.  Telus/Bell have a deal with Sasktel.  I&#039;m sure they will all figure out something sooner or later.  However, that still leaves Rogers without a partner in the West and East, where Telus/Bell just spent $1 billion on coverage.

Rogers is at a significant cost disadvantage right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Rogers has a deal with MTS.  Telus/Bell have a deal with Sasktel.  I&#8217;m sure they will all figure out something sooner or later.  However, that still leaves Rogers without a partner in the West and East, where Telus/Bell just spent $1 billion on coverage.</p>
<p>Rogers is at a significant cost disadvantage right now.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg they skiped GSM.Bell/Telus went to HSPA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg they skiped GSM.Bell/Telus went to HSPA.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saskatchewan is Sasktel owned by the provincial goverment.Telus/Bell have a roaming agreement with Sasktel/MTS,Manitoba is MTS.Also owned by there government.Rogers singed a deal with MTS over the summer to build HSPA in Manitoba.Telus used to be called AGT(Alberta Goverment Telphone).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saskatchewan is Sasktel owned by the provincial goverment.Telus/Bell have a roaming agreement with Sasktel/MTS,Manitoba is MTS.Also owned by there government.Rogers singed a deal with MTS over the summer to build HSPA in Manitoba.Telus used to be called AGT(Alberta Goverment Telphone).</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/11/09/bells-blue-coloured-coverage-map-shows-they-dominate-over-rogers/#comment-28616</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No coverage in Sask/Man or northern Ontario till mid 2010 at the earliest,OK they have service in Winnipeg.I will wait until they match Rogers in thees province&#039;s before I switch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No coverage in Sask/Man or northern Ontario till mid 2010 at the earliest,OK they have service in Winnipeg.I will wait until they match Rogers in thees province&#8217;s before I switch.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis b.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis b.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll notice that on Bell&#039;s coverage map compared to TELUS that Bell&#039;s is more specific in the coverage thsn TELUS. Example, in Alberta between Edmonton and Calgary to the west there is a big whole while on TELUS&#039; it shows it to be completely filled in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll notice that on Bell&#8217;s coverage map compared to TELUS that Bell&#8217;s is more specific in the coverage thsn TELUS. Example, in Alberta between Edmonton and Calgary to the west there is a big whole while on TELUS&#8217; it shows it to be completely filled in.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been told by Rogers reps before that they&#039;re constantly expanding their network all across Canada. Really and honestly, I&#039;ve never seen their network footprint change any at all other than the colour (from GSM/GPRS to EDGE and then to HSDPA).

Bell and Telus have converted ~nearly~ all their towers to broadcast both HSPA(+) and CDMA. I say nearly because while I have yet to actually go check it out with my next phone, I see one area I do visit periodically over the summer not covered with HSPA, and I know it&#039;s covered by CDMA. But none the less, it&#039;s obvious that their network is now vastly superior to Rogers for coverage.

Now only question is... what HSPA handset to get alongside my Storm 2 ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been told by Rogers reps before that they&#8217;re constantly expanding their network all across Canada. Really and honestly, I&#8217;ve never seen their network footprint change any at all other than the colour (from GSM/GPRS to EDGE and then to HSDPA).</p>
<p>Bell and Telus have converted ~nearly~ all their towers to broadcast both HSPA(+) and CDMA. I say nearly because while I have yet to actually go check it out with my next phone, I see one area I do visit periodically over the summer not covered with HSPA, and I know it&#8217;s covered by CDMA. But none the less, it&#8217;s obvious that their network is now vastly superior to Rogers for coverage.</p>
<p>Now only question is&#8230; what HSPA handset to get alongside my Storm 2 &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TNSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>TNSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rogers is in a bind because they don&#039;t have a national partner to share the costs with.  If they try to compete head to head with Bell/Telus it will blow out Rogers&#039; bottom line.  

The Telus/Bell network cost $1 billion not including most of the investment in SK and MB that will happen in 2010.  Almost all these costs are shared.  Rogers would have to shoulder them entirely, which would make it very hard to compete:

Bell: $500 million for national HSPA+ coverage
Telus: $500 million for national HSPA+ coverage
Rogers: $ 1 billion for national HSPA+ coverage

I don&#039;t think we will see a full steam ahead expansion from Rogers until they can work out a larger network sharing agreement with another company.  I know they inked one with MTS for MB, but maybe there is national potential with some other players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rogers is in a bind because they don&#8217;t have a national partner to share the costs with.  If they try to compete head to head with Bell/Telus it will blow out Rogers&#8217; bottom line.  </p>
<p>The Telus/Bell network cost $1 billion not including most of the investment in SK and MB that will happen in 2010.  Almost all these costs are shared.  Rogers would have to shoulder them entirely, which would make it very hard to compete:</p>
<p>Bell: $500 million for national HSPA+ coverage<br />
Telus: $500 million for national HSPA+ coverage<br />
Rogers: $ 1 billion for national HSPA+ coverage</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we will see a full steam ahead expansion from Rogers until they can work out a larger network sharing agreement with another company.  I know they inked one with MTS for MB, but maybe there is national potential with some other players.</p>
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		<title>By: Zee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah.. it&#039;s damn near identical.. Hmmmmmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.. it&#8217;s damn near identical.. Hmmmmmmm</p>
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