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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Globalive does not meet Canadian ownership rules&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/10/29/crtc-globalive-does-not-meet-canadian-ownership-rules/comment-page-3/#comment-27980</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Decision needs to be stomped on by the government.  Get the competition in their first, then revisit the antiquated laws in use to block competition.

Customers need the benefit now, not later.  This would be different if we were a country that was world leader in communications instead of a world leader in how to bleed the consumer dry by leveraging outdated laws in the incumbents favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decision needs to be stomped on by the government.  Get the competition in their first, then revisit the antiquated laws in use to block competition.</p>
<p>Customers need the benefit now, not later.  This would be different if we were a country that was world leader in communications instead of a world leader in how to bleed the consumer dry by leveraging outdated laws in the incumbents favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah so it&#039;s proof you want, fair enough.
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/10/17/stories/2006101701390400.htm
And how do I know that I&#039;m dealing with someone who&#039;s in another country? I don&#039;t judge based on accent (And I don&#039;t appreciate your comment that makes me look like a racist by the way) I ask politely &quot;So where are you talking to me from&quot; or something along those lines. I like to &quot;chit chat&quot; with CS reps as it makes the experience less tense (I have a good idea the crap they deal with).

Now onto Telus, although I do not have physical proof I work &quot;side by side&quot; with Telus employees in three of the most profitable Telus sites in Alberta (The top site does a million dollars a minute). Over the past 7 years multiple call centers were setup initially, we&#039;ll say the first 2 years of my time with them. Since that time more and more jobs have disappeared. And when I ask the numerous employees who are lucky enough to still have a job I am told that their jobs have been outsourced. I know they have a call center that handles mobility in The Philippines from speaking with someone who has been there.

And I should not have thrown Rogers into the heap about outsourcing jobs to other countries because as far as I can tell they do not. It&#039;s to bad that their prices are the highest otherwise I would have signed with them (that is if I didn&#039;t know that competition was coming)

How has Telus for example expanded lately that has benefited the average Canadian? Okay the upgrade to their current network is a great example. Now if Telus was owned by a company in another country would they do their upgrade for Canada in that other country? Not likely since the hardware would need to be in Canada. And if they choose not to upgrade at all they would fall behind and other carriers would take their spot.

Of course Globalive wants my money, they&#039;re a business. How exactly are they going to short change me? By bringing innovation and cheaper prices to Canadians? If WIND launches and their prices are the same as everyone else they&#039;re not going to make much of an impact.

If you know a lot of people that are happy with their current provider then you know a lot of ignorant people. Take a look around perhaps at the 17 corners of the globe and take note of the prices and level of service that is out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah so it&#8217;s proof you want, fair enough.<br />
<a href="http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/10/17/stories/2006101701390400.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/10/17/stories/2006101701390400.htm</a><br />
And how do I know that I&#8217;m dealing with someone who&#8217;s in another country? I don&#8217;t judge based on accent (And I don&#8217;t appreciate your comment that makes me look like a racist by the way) I ask politely &#8220;So where are you talking to me from&#8221; or something along those lines. I like to &#8220;chit chat&#8221; with CS reps as it makes the experience less tense (I have a good idea the crap they deal with).</p>
<p>Now onto Telus, although I do not have physical proof I work &#8220;side by side&#8221; with Telus employees in three of the most profitable Telus sites in Alberta (The top site does a million dollars a minute). Over the past 7 years multiple call centers were setup initially, we&#8217;ll say the first 2 years of my time with them. Since that time more and more jobs have disappeared. And when I ask the numerous employees who are lucky enough to still have a job I am told that their jobs have been outsourced. I know they have a call center that handles mobility in The Philippines from speaking with someone who has been there.</p>
<p>And I should not have thrown Rogers into the heap about outsourcing jobs to other countries because as far as I can tell they do not. It&#8217;s to bad that their prices are the highest otherwise I would have signed with them (that is if I didn&#8217;t know that competition was coming)</p>
<p>How has Telus for example expanded lately that has benefited the average Canadian? Okay the upgrade to their current network is a great example. Now if Telus was owned by a company in another country would they do their upgrade for Canada in that other country? Not likely since the hardware would need to be in Canada. And if they choose not to upgrade at all they would fall behind and other carriers would take their spot.</p>
<p>Of course Globalive wants my money, they&#8217;re a business. How exactly are they going to short change me? By bringing innovation and cheaper prices to Canadians? If WIND launches and their prices are the same as everyone else they&#8217;re not going to make much of an impact.</p>
<p>If you know a lot of people that are happy with their current provider then you know a lot of ignorant people. Take a look around perhaps at the 17 corners of the globe and take note of the prices and level of service that is out there.</p>
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		<title>By: toyandme</title>
		<link>http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/10/29/crtc-globalive-does-not-meet-canadian-ownership-rules/comment-page-3/#comment-27827</link>
		<dc:creator>toyandme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The CRTC is just enforcing the laws. The other 3 companies have to follow the rules or be shut down.&quot;

I wish. The problem is that the other cellcos pick and choose the laws they follow, and get away with murder. 

They&#039;ve been ripping us off with 911 fees ($150 million/year) for many years, not to mention the SAF they said for many years was going to Ottawa, etc. I have zero respect for the big three.

P. J. O&#039;Rourke:

&quot;When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The CRTC is just enforcing the laws. The other 3 companies have to follow the rules or be shut down.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wish. The problem is that the other cellcos pick and choose the laws they follow, and get away with murder. </p>
<p>They&#8217;ve been ripping us off with 911 fees ($150 million/year) for many years, not to mention the SAF they said for many years was going to Ottawa, etc. I have zero respect for the big three.</p>
<p>P. J. O&#8217;Rourke:</p>
<p>&#8220;When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/10/29/crtc-globalive-does-not-meet-canadian-ownership-rules/comment-page-3/#comment-27820</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G&amp;M:

&quot;Sources in Ottawa suggest the company may now appeal directly to the Harper government, which has pushed for more competition in the wireless industry by allowing new companies to bid for licences. Cabinet has the power to overturn or alter the CRTC&#039;s decision if it wants&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&amp;M:</p>
<p>&#8220;Sources in Ottawa suggest the company may now appeal directly to the Harper government, which has pushed for more competition in the wireless industry by allowing new companies to bid for licences. Cabinet has the power to overturn or alter the CRTC&#8217;s decision if it wants&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: R.atie</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.atie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, wind mobile has done a great job of iliciting public response but it hasn&#039;t done a good enough job to comply to the rules that the industry goes by. Foreign ownership issues have to be dealt with by our federal government. Not the Crtc. They applied the ruling correctly on this matter. The people getting riled up have to realize that the other new entrants are not getting hassled by the big 3 for these reasons. Competition will still exist. And that wind mobile is not out of the picture they can still restructure. Allowing wind to operate in Canada as they are now would set a precedent for allowing more foreign ownership which the crtc has no power to do. If laws have to change then so be it, but let the government decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, wind mobile has done a great job of iliciting public response but it hasn&#8217;t done a good enough job to comply to the rules that the industry goes by. Foreign ownership issues have to be dealt with by our federal government. Not the Crtc. They applied the ruling correctly on this matter. The people getting riled up have to realize that the other new entrants are not getting hassled by the big 3 for these reasons. Competition will still exist. And that wind mobile is not out of the picture they can still restructure. Allowing wind to operate in Canada as they are now would set a precedent for allowing more foreign ownership which the crtc has no power to do. If laws have to change then so be it, but let the government decide.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/10/29/crtc-globalive-does-not-meet-canadian-ownership-rules/comment-page-3/#comment-27738</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope they can restructure soon and get up and running. Seems like merging with Dave wireless or Manitoba Tel would solve the issue of foreign ownership. Lets hope these guys can put together a deal and get this over turned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they can restructure soon and get up and running. Seems like merging with Dave wireless or Manitoba Tel would solve the issue of foreign ownership. Lets hope these guys can put together a deal and get this over turned.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joesph - 

Canadian Telcos do not outsource &quot;...a majority of jobs outside of Canada...&quot;

Telus, for example, has over 30,000 employees and less than 1000 are located overseas. Get your facts straight - that 29,000 Canadian jobs....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joesph &#8211; </p>
<p>Canadian Telcos do not outsource &#8220;&#8230;a majority of jobs outside of Canada&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Telus, for example, has over 30,000 employees and less than 1000 are located overseas. Get your facts straight &#8211; that 29,000 Canadian jobs&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: J.Soul</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people&#039;s reactions speak to how frustrated we are with the current system...

They just want to save money on their bills - even if it means a loss to Canada&#039;s economy.

If that&#039;s not viewed as a screaming voice to the current incumbents - I don&#039;t know what is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people&#8217;s reactions speak to how frustrated we are with the current system&#8230;</p>
<p>They just want to save money on their bills &#8211; even if it means a loss to Canada&#8217;s economy.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s not viewed as a screaming voice to the current incumbents &#8211; I don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
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		<title>By: J.Soul</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ On point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ On point.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/10/29/crtc-globalive-does-not-meet-canadian-ownership-rules/comment-page-3/#comment-27640</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Took them so long because (a) the ownership structure of the company is vastly complex, involving numerous offshore holding companies, (b) because the voting structure on the Board was complex and has to be carefully examined to determine where the accumulation of influence actually lies, and (c) because there were literally thousands and thousands of pages of testimony and documents to examine. 

Sheesh. 

Even an &quot;open and shut&quot; criminal trial takes months. 

In fact, their hearing was in Sept, the decision late Oct.  That&#039;s fast by government standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Took them so long because (a) the ownership structure of the company is vastly complex, involving numerous offshore holding companies, (b) because the voting structure on the Board was complex and has to be carefully examined to determine where the accumulation of influence actually lies, and (c) because there were literally thousands and thousands of pages of testimony and documents to examine. </p>
<p>Sheesh. </p>
<p>Even an &#8220;open and shut&#8221; criminal trial takes months. </p>
<p>In fact, their hearing was in Sept, the decision late Oct.  That&#8217;s fast by government standards.</p>
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